The Dark Knight Nolan/Fandom...which side are you on?

[RedisforFire]

I wonder if anyone feels the same as me on this...

One one hand, you have this:

A film studio/director creative team, who surely know the realities of the property/fanbase they are working with, in todays media saturated instant upload, speed of thought online community...is it realistic to act offended if footage like Wizard's ends up online? Is it even good business to try and keep it secret? The general public doesn't follow con's, doesn't read superherohype, and really doesn't care if this is finished footage or not. Only fanboys like us track this material with this level of "enthusiasm". What difference does it make if we see it, upload it? Aren't they just courting their "base" if they give is the scraps we yearn for? What REAL difference does it make if we see this footage now? Wouldn't it really just add to the fantastic buzz that is beginning to build for this in the online/fan community, doing the very thing that WB marketing SHOULD be doing?

or

Are we spitting in the face of a generous creative team, clearly making an effort to give the fans something special? Or is their "fan courting" merely a perhaps only subliminal disrespect toward the real fans? Like we are some underground of freaks that needs to be placated? What nerve are THEY showing to act like they HAVE to give us something, instead of treating the fans with the respect we deserve? After all, WE buy the happy meals, WE buy the shower curtains, water guns, Batman toothpaste, PS3/Wii/Games, collectible polystone statues, tickets, shirts ad nauseum. Shouldn't you elevate your core customer base to the level of something revered, rather than something to treated like, well...something to be humored. Who has the real nerve here? The studio, the fans? Or nobody...

Part of me feels dirty asking for the footage in gratitude for what Nolan (who I admire greatly, and VERY much respect in his person/talents) has shared with us. Part of me respectfully wants to say..."Get real...you are dealing with a 50 year old property, with generations of fans that take this very seriously and have deep emotional/intellectual/creative connections to this character/universe. What do you expect? Why treat the whole thing this way? Why make it so fricking hard? Why police your own base on youtube?

Believe me, I am going half insane waiting to see this film. My excitement and passion for this film, particularly, something about Heath and his version of an incredible comic book icon fills me with an excitement usually reserved for grade schoolers in the 80s awaiting the next Star Wars 3 years away. BUT, is everyone overthinking this issue? Is it REALLY that bad to just upload the footage to the DK site for the fans? It's not going to hurt the box office, in fact I believe it can only build the buzz, or, should we just appreciate what we have been given, let WB do their thing, and respect the complexities of developing such a challenging property?

Forgive my perhaps overthought dissertion here, but I wanted to see how everyone feels. I am mixed. Part of me feels...WB - quit being big brother. Give your audience what they want and they will reward you. Get someone on staff who has a real understanding of courting the hardcore. Part of me feels, please don't post this, because it would be a slap in the face to Nolan's generosity.

Thoughts?

Not trying to start a war, I just think this poses an interesting argument...

 

[Da_Joka]

I'm on the bleached skin Joker side.

 

[Hole Shot]

too much words

 

[TheBatman072]

All I know is, I would very much like to see the footage.


I couldn't go to WWC becuase I have bills that need to be paid and a job that needs to be kept.

 

[RedisforFire]

too much words

Lol...

 

[thatsabadoutfit]

Nolan and WB owe us nothing. Nothing at all. Its their movie, its their baby, and they are making it for us the fans and the general public.

Patience will be worth it.

 

[The Universal]

Batman: Civil War... whose side are you on?

 

[Dvhyzs]

I vote obama.

 

[RedisforFire]

Like, I said, I may be overthinking it, its late...I am going half-nuts waiting to see if this footage ends up online...but for a long time, I have questioned how the studios treat fans.

I can never tell if it's genuine value they show us, or the nervous indulgence/placation of the weirdo in the Batman shirt at the dork convention.

 

[Bond]

 

[RedisforFire]

hilarious!

 

[SuperBatman]

The Footage isn't even done that's why they haven't given us anything yet. The Stuff They showed tonight was a ROugh Cut cmon people this movie is a year away and you want Footage? Does Indy Hulk and Iron Man Footage yet? Maybe they did at Comic Con but not as a regular Basics. We will get something in December.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nolan/WB is under no obligation to let us see anything. If they want to show a little skin at WW then that's their call, and if they want to keep it off the internet then that also is their call.

That said, *if* it happens to leak, I'll watch it, but anyone who *****es about WB not posting it online is just being a little brat.

 

[user123456789]

too much words

x2

need cliff notes

 

[deathfromabove]

Nolan/WB is under no obligation to let us see anything. If they want to show a little skin at WW then that's their call, and if they want to keep it off the internet then that also is their call.

That said, *if* it happens to leak, I'll watch it, but anyone who *****es about WB not posting it online is just being a little brat.

agreed.

an artist might show a work in progress to a few people but most prefer to wait until its finished before showing it to the whole world.

have some respect for the creative process.

brats indeed.

 

[JdlC]

I'm with the Nolans and the Bale and the rest of the cast and crew...

I'm NOT with WB...

and I definitely do NOT want to be with the fans like some here in SHH...

 

[Mladen]

I'm not torn at all. Their entire hype engine has been aimed at fandom. Hints and obscure website that won't interest the average movie goer but instead serves to tease the fandom community. They've kept such a tight lid on everything in order to boost that buzz (and then to release a big chunk of it at a PAYED event which only a small portion of fandom could attend anyway)... its just a little bit low and condescending, and I don't like it. Kind of implies that they feel like they have to throw 'us' a bone, even though its not fit for the general public to see yet. If its not good enough to stick on a website for all to see, why would it be good enough for fandom?

Its nothing new that Hollywood thinks comicbook fans are ******s. As long as they think that, they'll keep giving us **** and we'll continue to ask for more.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Nolan/WB is under no obligation to let us see anything. If they want to show a little skin at WW then that's their call, and if they want to keep it off the internet then that also is their call.

That said, *if* it happens to leak, I'll watch it, but anyone who *****es about WB not posting it online is just being a little brat.

Perfectly said.

 

[CaptainClown]

I'm not torn at all. Their entire hype engine has been aimed at fandom. Hints and obscure website that won't interest the average movie goer but instead serves to tease the fandom community. They've kept such a tight lid on everything in order to boost that buzz (and then to release a big chunk of it at a PAYED event which only a small portion of fandom could attend anyway)... its just a little bit low and condescending, and I don't like it. Kind of implies that they feel like they have to throw 'us' a bone, even though its not fit for the general public to see yet. If its not good enough to stick on a website for all to see, why would it be good enough for fandom?

Its nothing new that Hollywood thinks comicbook fans are ******s. As long as they think that, they'll keep giving us **** and we'll continue to ask for more.

Well said.. Anyway on the topic of fans seeing footage. I stated this in another thread, the people at WW sacrificed money and time where I did not. Some traveled across the state just to go there. Where I did not. They left their jobs took time off from their schedule to attend where I did not. They went that far congrats they can see it. It is not like they were given tickets to just go they spent money and went. Why should you be able to see something that they sacrificed so much to see.

On the threads topic... I am split down the middle I honestly would have to flip a coin. I am a huge Nolan fan without realizing it, before I loved his movies and then looked him up and realized he was one of the directors that kept popping up in my favorite movie list...

On the other hand... I have loved Batman since I was little and the Joker has always been my favorite character starting from Hamil. His persona on the cartoon show was amazing and gave me nightmares when I was little. His character is something I would relate to but thats something you guys wouldn't know since you don't know me. (eventhough I am typing a whole coherent message which is contradictory to the character) Overall I will just flip a coin... Heads Nolan Tails Batman....
The great equalizer...


.....

... Heads Nolan

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Said this in the Less Spam WWC thread about this subject.

Wanting it is one thing. Whining about not getting it and saying "**** you" to Chris Nolan like some people are doing is way too over the top.

We are getting the WHOLE MOVIE next year. And before you know it, we will be bombarded with trailers and TV spots and Making Of: specials on HBO and crap like that, that we will be getting our fill of this flick before it even opens.

So let's ALL just calm the hell down, shall we?

 

[wikum]

saying **** you chris nolan makes people look like little girls anyway.

 

[roach]

I'm with Indiana Jones

 

[bstringer]

The longer we wait to see ANY real footage the better. yes, I want to see the footage just as bad as all of you. But if we dont see it now, when we do see this movie, we'll be in total awe and we'll F**kin die in the movie theatre!!

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'm with Indiana Jones

 

[Batman jr.]

I wonder if anyone feels the same as me on this...

One one hand, you have this:

A film studio/director creative team, who surely know the realities of the property/fanbase they are working with, in todays media saturated instant upload, speed of thought online community...is it realistic to act offended if footage like Wizard's ends up online? Is it even good business to try and keep it secret? The general public doesn't follow con's, doesn't read superherohype, and really doesn't care if this is finished footage or not. Only fanboys like us track this material with this level of "enthusiasm". What difference does it make if we see it, upload it? Aren't they just courting their "base" if they give is the scraps we yearn for? What REAL difference does it make if we see this footage now? Wouldn't it really just add to the fantastic buzz that is beginning to build for this in the online/fan community, doing the very thing that WB marketing SHOULD be doing?

or

Are we spitting in the face of a generous creative team, clearly making an effort to give the fans something special? Or is their "fan courting" merely a perhaps only subliminal disrespect toward the real fans? Like we are some underground of freaks that needs to be placated? What nerve are THEY showing to act like they HAVE to give us something, instead of treating the fans with the respect we deserve? After all, WE buy the happy meals, WE buy the shower curtains, water guns, Batman toothpaste, PS3/Wii/Games, collectible polystone statues, tickets, shirts ad nauseum. Shouldn't you elevate your core customer base to the level of something revered, rather than something to treated like, well...something to be humored. Who has the real nerve here? The studio, the fans? Or nobody...

Part of me feels dirty asking for the footage in gratitude for what Nolan (who I admire greatly, and VERY much respect in his person/talents) has shared with us. Part of me respectfully wants to say..."Get real...you are dealing with a 50 year old property, with generations of fans that take this very seriously and have deep emotional/intellectual/creative connections to this character/universe. What do you expect? Why treat the whole thing this way? Why make it so fricking hard? Why police your own base on youtube?

Believe me, I am going half insane waiting to see this film. My excitement and passion for this film, particularly, something about Heath and his version of an incredible comic book icon fills me with an excitement usually reserved for grade schoolers in the 80s awaiting the next Star Wars 3 years away. BUT, is everyone overthinking this issue? Is it REALLY that bad to just upload the footage to the DK site for the fans? It's not going to hurt the box office, in fact I believe it can only build the buzz, or, should we just appreciate what we have been given, let WB do their thing, and respect the complexities of developing such a challenging property?

Forgive my perhaps overthought dissertion here, but I wanted to see how everyone feels. I am mixed. Part of me feels...WB - quit being big brother. Give your audience what they want and they will reward you. Get someone on staff who has a real understanding of courting the hardcore. Part of me feels, please don't post this, because it would be a slap in the face to Nolan's generosity.

Thoughts?

Not trying to start a war, I just think this poses an interesting argument...

The flesh is weak Johnny. Only the soul is immortal.

And yours belongs to me