The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[Octoberist]

You know when I first saw Batman Begins I hated the voice. Now I don't mind it at all, I just looked at it from a different point of view. Batman has to strike fear in the hearts of criminals and with that voice he does it very well. I still remeber that scene on the docks, I was in theater going: "Holly ****... He's scary!" and that my friend is something no one has captured on film with Batman before.

The suit is also the best we've seen thus far and he looks nothing like Robocop.

I've seen all the animated series and they're amazing, but you're comparing a cartoon to live action. We're also talking about a realistic approach vs an animated one.

The suit didn't look like robocop either. It was just a fanboy thing early in the production. It's like the 'bobble head' comments about the cowl that magically dissapeared after the movie got released.

Is it the ideal suit? no. Does it work? yeah.

 

[Octoberist]

but I think Bale's voice was overdone. I prefer the Keaton bat-voice myself.

 

[Eric Brooks]

The suit didn't look like robocop either. It was just a fanboy thing early in the production

well the difference is I actually believe it. To me, when I first saw the promo picture of Batman on top of the squad car, the first thing that came to mind was "Robo Cop"

I didn't need a bunch of fanboys to reach THAT conclusion

Nolan's batsuits suck.....plain and simple

 

[Infinity9999x]

I should've been more descriptive. I was talking about Bale's horrible "bat-voice" (you know, his deep growl). He didn't sound a thing at all how Batman should sound (being that Batman uses an actual voice for both Bruce and Bats). Bale sounded like he was doing a voice over for "two face" from the animated series. (Which is how Aaron Eckhart should've sounded).

and his suit. Do I need to further explain Robo-batman?

how would I have done it? .....watch the animated series from the 90's and you'll see pretty much how a live action Batman film SHOULD be done

Two-Face in the series was a little too hokey for a live action film. He worked great for the cartoon, but I would have had him be a bit darker. Delve more into the extreme abuse from his father and less of the "big bad harv" stuff.

 

[The Guard]

The problem with Bale's "deep growl" is it's not a deep growl. It's a high pitched growl.

 

[Alex Logan]

I actually can't disagree with that to be honest.

If a guy dressed as a bat at night approached me in reality using the voice Bale uses in Nolans films, it probably would be scarier than to have a guy dressed as a bat approach me using the voice Conroy uses in the cartoons

and Nolan does pride himself in grounding his work in reality so it makes sense why he changed it

hmmmm

well the difference is I actually believe it. To me, when I first saw the promo picture of Batman on top of the squad car, the first thing that came to mind was "Robo Cop"

I didn't need a bunch of fanboys to reach THAT conclusion

Nolan's batsuits suck.....plain and simple

Really? I think TDK suit is the best thus far.

Two-Face in the series was a little too hokey for a live action film. He worked great for the cartoon, but I would have had him be a bit darker. Delve more into the extreme abuse from his father and less of the "big bad harv" stuff.

I thought he worked fine.

The problem with Bale's "deep growl" is it's not a deep growl. It's a high pitched growl.

I must disagree.

 

[Eric Brooks]

^I think everyone pretty much agrees that Nolan's an a$$hole for wanting to keep Batman and certain characters all to himself while his franchise is in process.

the guy is not God but WB seems to think he is

 

[Lando81]

not everyone would agree to this

I for one feel TDK is massivley flawed and there's room for improvement


EXAMPLE:
as a life long Batfan, I take NO HONOR in a Two-Face with no split personality or how Nolan's Batman sounded and looked

See, now I think this is just nitpicking for nitpickings sake. Would you say that Two-Face in BF is better just because he acts crazier? Dent in TDK is the most faithful adaptation on film by far.

 

[BatMatt]

^I think everyone pretty much agrees that Nolan's an a$$hole for wanting to keep Batman and certain characters all to himself while his franchise is in process.

the guy is not God but WB seems to think he is

Not at all...

 

[Lando81]

^I think everyone pretty much agrees that Nolan's an a$$hole for wanting to keep Batman and certain characters all to himself while his franchise is in process.

the guy is not God but WB seems to think he is

wow. no. Why would Nolan be an A-Hole for being awesome?

 

[MadVillainy]

So after dwelling to myself for a while over this; I've come to the conclusion that if Nolan does not come back (although I'm sure he will) I think he has some nerve.

Now, you can pigeon hole me like BarratefanswithAdvertisements-on-Film guy can, or you can hear me out.

For the past 3 or so years, all we keep hearing from BOF is that Nolan has been very vocal to WB execs about no other Batmen while his was around. No Graysons TV show, no Justice League or he ain't coming back for B3-- etc. While we all have a general feeling that they would have sucked something awful, we don't know for sure. It takes some nerve to make a demand like that and then bail. Granted, if this turns out to be the case, it won't hurt his rep at all because he could make any movie he wants after TDK. Money talks and all that ya know?

Furthermore -- if he's such a visionary director, who's blown the comic book genre into a whole new territory....how in the blue hell do you NOT find a new/original story to tell if you've broken new ground? That makes no sense. Not to mention, it'd be a slap in the face of the mythology that has and will be around long after Nolan has gone the way of all good things. There's so much to draw from -- I honestly think the dude is just burnt out on Batman right now (which can happen to the best of us.) and wants some time to recharge the batteries. Someone in the WB suits bugged him about it and maybe C-Nol was having a rough day, not enough sleep -- w/e. And was cranky about it. The exec then talks to Jett who thinks.....hmmmm == news == page hits == money. Yum.

Or like i've been saying prior, Nolan keeping something like this close to his chest keeps the press from asking any other B3 related questions. I remember IGN catching up with Nolan and Goyer after Begins, like a month after it left theaters, and IGN video interviewed Goyer and Nolan jumped in front of the camera and said "Don't tell them anything." Nolan knows how the press are.


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- Jow

PS: [/rant]

very good points.

Also as much as I like the Nolan series he did f up some things

^I think everyone pretty much agrees that Nolan's an a$$hole for wanting to keep Batman and certain characters all to himself while his franchise is in process.

the guy is not God but WB seems to think he is

I wouldnt say hes an ******* but he kinda pulled a huge ******* movie in my opinion

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Besides, who's to say he didn't have that split personality? Victims of that Dissociative Identity Disorder aren't always a maniacal psycho with one personality, and a completely regular guy with the other.

The comics, even, rarely express a the disorder at least somewhat correctly (I've actually seen one where he shows more symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder than he does DID). They just show a dude who argues with himself. In my opinion, the Two-Face of The Dark Knight was more faithful to the disorder than the comics ever were, as there were in fact key moments where he showed that he was truly distressed by what he was doing (and a lost cause because of it)- like toward the end of The Dark Knight, when he has Gordon's kid and is saying, "You think I want to escape from this?"- and other moments where he was a downright aggressive *****ebag, like when he was choosing which of Gordon's family members he would flip the coin for.

Aaron Eckhart's version fit the symptoms pretty well... Especially since he supposedly did study the disorder for the role.

 

[jmc]

^I think everyone pretty much agrees that Nolan's an a$$hole for wanting to keep Batman and certain characters all to himself while his franchise is in process.

the guy is not God but WB seems to think he is

Speak for yourself man. This is Nolan's interpretation of Batman, not the DC universe, people need to deal with it and stop blaming him for not getting some precious 'team up' film.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Yeah, I really don't think people around here understand what the word "adaptation" means.

 

[nathaniel]

Nolans films where TO GROUNDED IN REALITY and at the heart of it Bales batman was absolutely ordinary he didnt have the extra pizaz that could have elevated him he was merlya guy in a cumberson suit.

Little things like the cape as a sheild, the mannerisms, the awful fight scenes, batman/bruces intelligence and voice ruined it for me it just sacrificed batman the character for the supposed intensity of a urban thriller.

When i read supposedly die hard batman comic book fans idolation for TDK i just sit there wondering what film they have been watching.

 

[Crook]

That's it? He's agreed to come back and nothing more?

 

[Bathead]

I know my credibility is drawn into question at times around here (usually when there's tons of people around -- most who dont know me.)

But I have it on good accord that Nolan is coming back.

Not like it's news, but if it helps at all -- Jow says take it to the bank.

- Jow

I know absolutely nothing about your credibility, Jow, but I can say without equivocation, I believe you.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Speak for yourself man. This is Nolan's interpretation of Batman, not the DC universe, people need to deal with it and stop blaming him for not getting some precious 'team up' film.

what does his interpretation have to do with my comment?

I'm not talking about having characters cameo in his movies, I'm just talking about the "Bat Embargo" that's been going on since Batman Begins, and from what I've read, he's the man behind it

and if he is, then Yes, He's an A$$hole

keeping DC characters out of other projects isn't being selfish and greedy????

 

[ChrisB]

I know my credibility is drawn into question at times around here (usually when there's tons of people around -- most who dont know me.)

But I have it on good accord that Nolan is coming back.

Not like it's news, but if it helps at all -- Jow says take it to the bank.

- Jow

WTF. You ruined TDK for EVERYONE! You "a-hole"!!!
*rolls eyes*
I'd believe you over Adsense-on-Film anyday!

Remember that clean, ad-free, "BOF bootleg" site? I ran it... until he threatened to sue me.

 

[Alex Logan]

WTF. You ruined TDK for EVERYONE! You "a-hole"!!!
*rolls eyes*
I'd believe you over Adsense-on-Film anyday!

Remember that clean, ad-free, "BOF bootleg" site? I ran it... until he threatened to sue me.

What do you mean "he" ruined TDK for everyone? How would he have sued you?

 

[Charlie No-One]

I rather them not wait too long for Nolan. I think an equally decent movie can be done without him.

 

[BestGirl]

Nolans films where TO GROUNDED IN REALITY and at the heart of it Bales batman was absolutely ordinary he didnt have the extra pizaz that could have elevated him he was merlya guy in a cumberson suit.

Little things like the cape as a sheild, the mannerisms, the awful fight scenes, batman/bruces intelligence and voice ruined it for me it just sacrificed batman the character for the supposed intensity of a urban thriller.

When i read supposedly die hard batman comic book fans idolation for TDK i just sit there wondering what film they have been watching.

The die-hard Batman comic book fans probably realized they were watching an adaptation and simply enjoyed the story and the acting.

 

[BestGirl]

I rather them not wait too long for Nolan. I think an equally decent movie can be done without him.

I'm thinking BB3 will come out 2012, or 2013 at the absolute latest, with or without Nolan.

 

[Victarion]

Good to know, Jow.

 

[Alex Logan]

Jett blames me for "ruining" TDK for him because I posted the Joker nurse picture on my forum after it had been circulating here for like 3 days via PM's.

Who knew.

Anyway -- all i've heard for now is that Nolan is on board just trying "not to think about it right now".

- Jow

Ahhh, I see. Well, given that I KNOW a little bit about Mr. Jett, I can tell you that he knew about that already so I don't see why that was such a big deal. I understand not wanting to be see spoliers, but saying you ruined the film is a bit much.

What have you heard? PM me please.