The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[Alex Logan]

Nolans films where TO GROUNDED IN REALITY and at the heart of it Bales batman was absolutely ordinary he didnt have the extra pizaz that could have elevated him he was merlya guy in a cumberson suit.

Huh?

Extra pizaz? What do you want him doing? Roundhouse and wheel kicks all over the screen? That's NOT reality my friend.

Cumbersome suit? His suit in TDK was the least Cumbersome thus far. Burton's Batman couldn't even turn his head without moving his whole body.

Little things like the cape as a sheild, the mannerisms, the awful fight scenes, batman/bruces intelligence and voice ruined it for me it just sacrificed batman the character for the supposed intensity of a urban thriller.

Cape as a shield? I don't remember that. Even so, Batman uses his cape as a shield in some comics.

His mannerisms great because he was scary.

Intelligence? In what way? Please give examples.

How would you have done the fight scenes? Burton style? That's not reality either.

Again, the voice is that way because he's suppost to be scary.

When i read supposedly die hard batman comic book fans idolation for TDK i just sit there wondering what film they have been watching.

Man IDK... I'm a die hard Batman fan and I wonder what film you've been watching.

 

[nathaniel]

Ahhh, I see. Well, given that I KNOW a little bit about Mr. Jett, I can tell you that he knew about that already so I don't see why that was such a big deal. I understand not wanting to be see spoliers, but saying you ruined the film is a bit much.

What have you heard? PM me please.

Jett became a dictator on his site which turned into some kind of Nolan love in i can understand a love for TDK but to censor nearly every critisism is just plain stupid. thankfully some people started to realise this and left or created their own sites.

 

[nathaniel]

Huh?

Extra pizaz? What do you want him doing? Roundhouse and wheel kicks all over the screen? That's NOT reality my friend.

AGGGRGRGRGRRGRGRGGGHHHH It should be reality but a comic reality DAMMIT!! jumping from roofs isnt reality, catching falling women isnt reality why cant people fathom this simple concept?. Nolan failed the fine line between his reality and his fantasy, a wheel kick isnt reality maybe but it looks far better on film and goes to show how good batman is at fighting think of your favourite ever martial arts movie was it in any way real?

Batman should move like a cat not lke a blatent guy in a suit

despite the awful fighting by Pizaz i mean a kind of personality aquired while the suit is worn Bale had none he simply stood and growled the rooftop scene with Gordon and dent was an awful example of this two actors doing a great scene and bale sitting like a lump between them, he just has no personality he looks good as Wayne and thats it.

Cumbersome suit? His suit in TDK was the least Cumbersome thus far. Burton's Batman couldn't even turn his head without moving his whole body.

True but im not talking about Burton but if you want to go there Keaton in the suit shows how an actor can give it personality despite the tremendous limitations of his then suit.

Cape as a shield? I don't remember that. Even so, Batman uses his cape as a shield in some comics.

Sorry that was actually a mistake, its something i wanted to see not something that actually happend. the suit as a symbiotic part of batman not a tool to wear to fight crime.

His mannerisms great because he was scary.

What scared you? batman grabbing a guy and shouting? thats the only tool he has? Joker schooled him like a fool by being completely unafraid of him what would happen if every punk in gotham did the same?. Batman is more then a thug he should be smart enough to outwit or debate someone like joker there was no "Gotcha" in the movie where bats has a grand scheme to turn jokers plan on its head at the last minute it was simply fox giving him a radar thingy and joker being apprehended.

Intelligence? In what way? Please give examples.

Balesbat/Bruce just didnt give me the feeling of an intelligent guy be honest did he seem at least nearly as intelligent as Fox? Its called acting my friend little things an actor does to appear intelligent which bale didnt try to do and Nolan didnt bother to write. bale wasnt stupid but he didnt tread the fine line between a comic and movie batman.

How would you have done the fight scenes? Burton style? That's not reality either.

I would have accepted that fantasy has to overtake reality in the movie batman is supposed to be a master fighter in many different forms not a street brawler using keysi.

Again, the voice is that way because he's suppost to be scary.

BUT IT WASNT SCARY!!! it was just a silly sounding growl that was pitched all over the place its again Nolan mantra that extreme equals cool Jeremy Sisto in new frontier had an amazing batvoice imo thats the kind i wanted to hear in a movie.

 

[jmc]

what does his interpretation have to do with my comment?

I'm not talking about having characters cameo in his movies, I'm just talking about the ''Bat Embargo'' that's been going on since Batman Begins, and from what I've read, he's the man behind it

and if he is, then Yes, He's an A$$hole

keeping DC characters out of other projects isn't being selfish and greedy????

Oh please, that's nothing but pure speculation.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Oh please, that's nothing but pure speculation.

it's not specualtion at all, it's fact

Batman can not appear in live action form on television because of Nolan

Certain characters in the mythos can't be used on television in either live action or animated while Nolan's franchise is in process and he's using them....because of Nolan

yea, guy's a real hero

 

[Eric Brooks]

despite the awful fighting by Pizaz i mean a kind of personality aquired while the suit is worn Bale had none he simply stood and growled the rooftop scene with Gordon and dent was an awful example of this two actors doing a great scene and bale sitting like a lump between them, he just has no personality he looks good as Wayne and thats it.

that scene had HORRIBLE acting by ALL 3 actors. Gary was the absolute WORST of them

infact, I would say Bale just standing there was a lot better acting than Gary and Aaron showed in that scene


my god was Gary just aweful

 

[jmc]

it's not specualtion at all, it's fact

Batman can not appear in live action form on television because of Nolan

Certain characters in the mythos can't be used on television in either live action or animated while Nolan's franchise is in process and he's using them....because of Nolan

yea, guy's a real hero

Oh I totally forgot, Nolan's the one calling the shots at WB now, silly me.

 

[Mister H.]

Anyone that says Eckhart and Oldman were awful on the rooftop is a total buffoon.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

it's not specualtion at all, it's fact

Batman can not appear in live action form on television because of Nolan

Certain characters in the mythos can't be used on television in either live action or animated while Nolan's franchise is in process and he's using them....because of Nolan

yea, guy's a real hero

So Nolan is calling the shots with Warner Bros and DC Comics... is he?


Man how embarrassing for you!

 

[david icke]

it's not specualtion at all, it's fact

Batman can not appear in live action form on television because of Nolan

Certain characters in the mythos can't be used on television in either live action or animated while Nolan's franchise is in process and he's using them....because of Nolan

yea, guy's a real hero

The producrs of Smallville wanted Bruce Wayne to appear in season2 but WB didn't allow it. This was way before Nolan came onboard.
WB were being precious about live action Batman after B&R, but after Nolan did Begins and showed themTDK, WB knew Batman's rep would be back up there with the best of them, moneywise and coolnesswise. So they decided it would be a good idea, moneywise, to go with an appearance in their mooted JLA movie.
Nolan knew this decision was based on his hard work but only he knew how much hard work it actually takes to create a great BM onscreen, and how easy it would be for that to be tarnished in the GA's mind. WB probably wanted to take the chance that it would be okay for one sub-par 'ok' Batman to appear in an ensemble movie,especially now they had Nolan to fall back on, he could always churn out another great Batman to get maintain his rep. But Nolan quite rightfully did not want to be taken for granted and fought against an inferior charterisation coming out. He protected the character, you should be grateful.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Anyone that says Eckhart and Oldman were awful on the rooftop is a total buffoon.

I cringe everytime I watch that scene, his acting was horrible there

you could easily tell he was spewing lines from a script

 

[Eric Brooks]

and everything I heard about the "Bat Embargo" was wrong apparently

freaking sue me

 

[david icke]

and everything I heard about the "Bat Embargo" was wrong apparently

freaking sue me

You were kind of vague while being quite hard on Nolan. As in specifics, and where you heard the info.
When you say 'live action tv' I can only think you were talking about 'Smallville' and 'The Graysons'.
Batman has always been off limits to Smallville, none of his supporting characters have ever been featured in SV before Nolan came on board. anyway, it's a superman show and they have plenty to mine from that. 'The Graysons' just sounded like a bad idea that probably wouldn't have seen the light of day whether the Nolan movies were around or not imo. I imagine 'Birds of Prey' came up in the cancellation conversation, ie 'how well did a batman show without batman do before?'
The stuff I posted about the JLA movie is just what I thought was teh kind of thinking going on behind the scenes from what info I could gather from the reports here and at Batman on film.
I don't know about animation embargos, but don't imagine Nolan would have a problem with any batcharacters being used in toons. The Brave and teh bold seems to be playing with lesser known characters, both heroes and villans, as part of it's schtick, again nothing to do with Nolan i imagine.

edit: In any case, I'm not saying you're 'wrong' necesarily, just that it might not be such a bad idea.

 

[solidsnake86]

WTF. You ruined TDK for EVERYONE! You "a-hole"!!!
*rolls eyes*
I'd believe you over Adsense-on-Film anyday!

Remember that clean, ad-free, "BOF bootleg" site? I ran it... until he threatened to sue me.

BOF really does have a lot of advertising. Its really ridiculous and its gotten to the point that I rarely visit because of the pop-ups. How could he sue you, he doesnt own batman. As for Anjow, I dont see how you could have ruined TDK, I'm sure when you run a site like BOF he probably read the script.

 

[The Guard]

that scene had HORRIBLE acting by ALL 3 actors. Gary was the absolute WORST of them

infact, I would say Bale just standing there was a lot better acting than Gary and Aaron showed in that scene

my god was Gary just aweful

I'd tend to agree. It was a wasted scene. One of the pivotal points in the Batman mythos, and the Nolan brothers managed to make it into a plot point, and not much else.

You can flat out hear Oldman's natural accent come through and take over, which took me right out of the moment.

I don't know if Nolan mandated no Batman in JLA, but I do know that since none of you know anything about how the character was to be portrayed, saying Nolan protected Batman is absurd.

 

[Lando81]

and everything I heard about the "Bat Embargo" was wrong apparently

freaking sue me

For being an Idiot? Will Do.

 

[david icke]

I don't know if Nolan mandated no Batman in JLA, but I do know that since none of you know anything about how the character was to be portrayed, saying Nolan protected Batman is absurd.

Well, I wouldn't call knowing a production was rushed and that they cast some youngster no-name as Batman as knowing nothing about how the character was to be portrayed. Maybe it would have been alright, but going by the history of comic book movies, and what has worked in terms of rushed productions, mis-casting, and generally bad interpretations, that production could so easily have went wrong. These type of movies can easily turn out silly so I imagine Nolan is one person who could make an educated guess as how things might turn out, considering the amount of work he put into portraying the character.
WB knew that if the Batman of JLA turned a bit flat there would be another Nolan movie to come along and bolster his rep again, and I imagine Nolan did want to be taken for granted. That's teh only explanation I can think of them playing a little fast and loose with the character after them being so precious with not allowing the character to be realised in smallville, and in that case not even allowing a Bruce Wayne appearance.

 

[Crook]

Well, I wouldn't call knowing a production was rushed and that they cast some youngster no-name as Batman as knowing nothing about how the character was to be portrayed.

That's exactly what it is. Absolutely none of those variables have any relation to the actor's performance, or the way Batman was to be written on paper.

 

[david icke]

That's exactly what it is. Absolutely none of those variables have any relation to the actor's performance, or the way Batman was to be written on paper.

Ok, fair enough, you're both right that I know nothing about how the character was to be portrayed. But, I still think there is some validity to saying Nolan could make an educated guess as to how it might turn out, considering he had his pick of the cream of the crop for Batman and had seen many takes on him and had put hard graft into putting him onscreen correctly.
If he did intervene with the opinion he didn't want another batman out there, he would've done it to protect his version of the character, a version that he had taken great care with. If he saw a rushed production coming into being, and one that set Batman in a very different setting he had never been seen in before, that could easily have set alarm bells ringing.

 

[Alex Logan]

AGGGRGRGRGRRGRGRGGGHHHH It should be reality but a comic reality DAMMIT!! jumping from roofs isnt reality, catching falling women isnt reality why cant people fathom this simple concept?. Nolan failed the fine line between his reality and his fantasy, a wheel kick isnt reality maybe but it looks far better on film and goes to show how good batman is at fighting think of your favourite ever martial arts movie was it in any way real?

The problem here is that I think you've missed what Nolan was trying to do with reality. He didn't want to make a comic book film, rather a Godfather story with Batman in it.

In this case, it's not about what looks better on film, atleast for me anyway. I've trained in martial arts for fifteen years, so I know what's practical and what's not. IF Batman WAS real he would have to use a fighting style simular to what was used in the two films.

Batman should move like a cat not lke a blatent guy in a suit

despite the awful fighting by Pizaz i mean a kind of personality aquired while the suit is worn Bale had none he simply stood and growled the rooftop scene with Gordon and dent was an awful example of this two actors doing a great scene and bale sitting like a lump between them, he just has no personality he looks good as Wayne and thats it.

I disagree about both.

True but im not talking about Burton but if you want to go there Keaton in the suit shows how an actor can give it personality despite the tremendous limitations of his then suit.

Are you serious? Keaton had no expression or emothon in his face in either film.

Sorry that was actually a mistake, its something i wanted to see not something that actually happend. the suit as a symbiotic part of batman not a tool to wear to fight crime.

Gotacha.

What scared you? batman grabbing a guy and shouting? thats the only tool he has? Joker schooled him like a fool by being completely unafraid of him what would happen if every punk in gotham did the same?. Batman is more then a thug he should be smart enough to outwit or debate someone like joker there was no "Gotcha" in the movie where bats has a grand scheme to turn jokers plan on its head at the last minute it was simply fox giving him a radar thingy and joker being apprehended.

I wasn't really talking about TDK. Did you even see Batman Begins? The scene on the docks?

I wouldn't say he got schooled. For the most part the Joker has always been unafraid of Batman. Do you know why? Because he's nuts! He doesn't fear death and he knows Batman won't kill him.

Fox didn't GIVE Batman anything. Batman used a device that Fox made to build a bigger one and then used it, with Fox's help, to find the Joker. If that doesn't prove his intelligence I don't know what does.

Balesbat/Bruce just didnt give me the feeling of an intelligent guy be honest did he seem at least nearly as intelligent as Fox? Its called acting my friend little things an actor does to appear intelligent which bale didnt try to do and Nolan didnt bother to write. bale wasnt stupid but he didnt tread the fine line between a comic and movie batman.

What about using the bullet fragment to find out where the Joker would be?

Fox's job is to help build Batman's weapons and equipment. Even in the comics Batman doesn't built eveything he uses. His intelligence comes into play when he has to outsmart an enemy. Even then, how good would the film have been if the Joker wasn't a step ahead of eveyone? It would have sucked.

I would have accepted that fantasy has to overtake reality in the movie batman is supposed to be a master fighter in many different forms not a street brawler using keysi.

Maybe he is, it was never specified. I can also tell you that he was more than just a street brawler. Keysi IS a fighting method and a very useful one at that. It's highly unorthodox to an enemy, but at the same time very natural to your own body movments. It may look stupid to some, but believe me it works.

BUT IT WASNT SCARY!!! it was just a silly sounding growl that was pitched all over the place its again Nolan mantra that extreme equals cool Jeremy Sisto in new frontier had an amazing batvoice imo thats the kind i wanted to hear in a movie.

I disagree.

As I told another user, you're comparing a cartoon to live action. I love the Kevin Conroy Batman, but he wouldn't make in Nolan's Batman.

Man, I'm so tired of hearing people complain about the his voice.

 

[Dark Knight]

Anyone that says Eckhart and Oldman were awful on the rooftop is a total buffoon.

^Yep!

And anyone still whining and complaining about Bales "batvoice" not being good enough needs to get back on there meds. LOL

 

[Alex Logan]

^Yep!

And anyone still whining and complaining about Bales "batvoice" not being good enough needs to get back on there meds. LOL

Yes.

 

[Anita18]

I remember IGN catching up with Nolan and Goyer after Begins, like a month after it left theaters, and IGN video interviewed Goyer and Nolan jumped in front of the camera and said "Don't tell them anything." Nolan knows how the press are.

Somehow this makes me

Anyway -- all i've heard for now is that Nolan is on board just trying "not to think about it right now".

Wouldn't blame him, he's trying to shoot another movie.

I mean, if he tries to work on BB3 while doing Inception, Inception might not be up to his usual quality. And then people here would panic since "ZOMG Nolan can no longer do no wrong!"

 

[ChrisB]

BOF really does have a lot of advertising. Its really ridiculous and its gotten to the point that I rarely visit because of the pop-ups. How could he sue you, he doesnt own batman. As for Anjow, I dont see how you could have ruined TDK, I'm sure when you run a site like BOF he probably read the script.

I know! I made the site look like an exact replica...his BOF logos and all. But I knew he couldnt do anything about the images, because he doesnt own Batman! But I did copy word for word his articles. He had me there...although how many different ways can you write "Aaron Eckhart will be playing Harvey Dent". And dont give BOF that much credit, BOF will NEVER see a script "officially. EVER.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Anyone that says Eckhart and Oldman were awful on the rooftop is a total buffoon.

I agree. I thought the scene was fine. The only flaw I found with the rooftop scene was that you could tell that Oldman and Eckhart were waiting for each others' lines upon finishing their own. I doubt a lot of people would catch that, but I'm surprised Nolan didn't do anything about it.