The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[Ace of Knaves]

That's also your opinion. But when you use "Anyone can recognize it"... you project it as a contextual fact. For that matter, I don't think professionalism remotely embodies the context with which you use it in. For me, it would be more professional for him to walk if he knows for a fact he can not improve on his franchise. Hey but we are all guilty of sometimes confusing our opinion with fact... ask Hunter Rider...

Maybe I was, I didn't mean to.

But yea IMO the definition of professionalism is striving to be better, to do better, all the time. No matter the odds or barriers.

 

[KalMart]

I just hope that if Nolan doesn't return, it's not looked at as wimping out, or turning his back on something that's too good to pass up, etc. The guy's solidified a great reputation and career, he's delivered on all fronts, and he's already spent the better part of 5-6 years on one franchise. It's actually an ideal time for him to move on and pursue other avenues/projects, and he's already on another big project. We should be thankful for what he HAS done, instead of lamenting what he hasn't or won't.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The way I see it... he has already done as many Batman films (major motion pictures) as anyone else, and I think he has done the best job of anyone else. It has been the most successful rendition yet, and I think in time this series will go down as the definitive depiction of the character. For Batman, that's saying A LOT... what else does he have to prove? Of course for fanboys it would be more convenient if we had a complete trilogy, but not everything has to be a trilogy as we all know. If any good comes out of it... an "incomplete" series (which may be complete for all we know) may motivate others to continue producing new, inspired takes on the character in the future.

 

[Darlton]

Well, I want my trilogy. That's what I am, a bat-fan. And I want my trilogy. No amount of logic can convince me otherwise. For the moment, I'm pretty excited about Inception, and if it's 3/4 of what The Prestige was, I will die and go to heaven.

 

[BestGirl]

Well, I want my trilogy. That's what I am, a bat-fan. And I want my trilogy. No amount of logic can convince me otherwise. For the moment, I'm pretty excited about Inception, and if it's 3/4 of what The Prestige was, I will die and go to heaven.

Ditto. More than anything, I want to see how Nolan plans on redeeming Batman. I'm sure he and his brother had some vague idea when they wrote TDK about how Bats was going to get out of this mess. I don't want another director's vision of how this comes about. It's possible someone else could direct a great end to the trilogy but I don't want to take that chance.

 

[MadVillainy]

^^^BOOM

 

[KalMart]

Ditto. More than anything, I want to see how Nolan plans on redeeming Batman. I'm sure he and his brother had some vague idea when they wrote TDK about how Bats was going to get out of this mess. I don't want another director's vision of how this comes about. It's possible someone else could direct a great end to the trilogy but I don't want to take that chance.

I want that too, but only if his heart's in it. If not, and he doesn't want to do another one, then that should close the book on it, and they move on to another Batman version down the road. Ideally speaking, of course.

 

[Alex Logan]

No faith? What if the Nolan brothers have a heavy hand in the script and they get someone like David Fincher to direct? I'd expect another good movie in that instance, but if it's McG, I would fully expect a meltdown of the franchise.

After what Fincher did to the third act of Alien, no thanks.

Why is there even a discussion about this? They've written the script for Christ's sake. He has the story he wants to use, and has unofficially told W.B. he'd do it. They basically allowed him to do Inception as a little "guarantee" that he'd be back for Batman 3. I don't see what all the fuss is over.

YOU must be Nolan's boy to know all that.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

He publicly stated that he was writing one quite a while ago. By now, I'm sure he's finished.

 

[Alex Logan]

He publicly stated that he was writing one quite a while ago. By now, I'm sure he's finished.

No, he didn't. Go back and read the interview again.

 

[Smit84]

I have to ask, what is the fascination with ending film series as trilogies? I mean sure "The Batman Trilogy" has a nice ring to it but is a title all that important?

I really think it's 50-50 whether Nolan returns. Goyer spoke of having a trilogy planned but you'll notice his plans for films 2 and 3 were worked into The Dark Knight. Nolan seems to be a man motivated more by creativity than by money, and I am sure he means it when he says he'll only return if they can develop a story worth telling. Goyer would return no matter how weak or stong the story is. Look at the Blade films.

My desire would be that if Nolan returns, wonderful; if he doesn't, then I hope that other talented filmmakers are hired. I wouldn't want them to copy Nolan's style, but keep his attitude of taking the characters and the world seriously. If they do that the Batman films could go on forever.

As for resolving the ending of The Dark Knight, why? The ending was so unconventional for this type of film and people want to see the conventional route taken of Batman being redeemed in the public's eye, of returning things to the status quo. It was a really artistic and bold way to end a Batman movie. It really ends the film on a thematic note.

Nolan also has yet to make a bad film and I wouldn't be surprised if he is trying to keep it that way. People say he should take the challenge of topping The Dark Knight, but really if he feels there's nothing more he can say about Batman we should respect that. When you develop subpar stories to follow amazing previous installments that is how crappy sequels get made. And I have no doubt that if Nolan did a third film and it was a dissapointment fickle fanboys would be calling him a hack and saying he should stay away from Batman and point out all the things he never got right. Ask Sam Raimi.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The fans are starting to give Raimi a pass with all the nonsense that went into that production, and recently the few quotes and tidbits coming from Raimi's mouth himself. I am not one of those fans however, but you can definitely make the case that he deserves another shot. However, I am holding Raimi and Sony as accountable as I hold the people responsible for the crap that was X-3. So yeah, there will be those few people, maybe even myself, that may throw Nolan under the bus should history repeat itself. But after what he has given us he will still probably get a pass no matter what happens. Unless the movie is just a complete travesty which is HIGHLY unlikely...

 

[Cunning Stunts]

No, he didn't. Go back and read the interview again.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/30/batman-3-script-in-the-works/

As I said, he's probably already done by now, although there are multiple drafts to every script, so it's most definitely not final, but he's apparently started, nonetheless.

 

[MaceB]

Maybe I was, I didn't mean to.

But yea IMO the definition of professionalism is striving to be better, to do better, all the time. No matter the odds or barriers.

and "better" means what? How do you quantify that, and what guarentees do any of us have that Nolan has the same standard as you? Maybe to Nolan, being better means moving on, leaving his comfort zone, expanding his talents, doing new things. "Better" doesn't automatically equate to a more bad ass Batman movie. That's the kind of logic that makes billionaire wallstreet execs hungry for more money even while on the backs of others. It's just never good enough... and better always means more money.

 

[Smit84]

The fans are starting to give Raimi a pass with all the nonsense that went into that production, and recently the few quotes and tidbits coming from Raimi's mouth himself. I am not one of those fans however, but you can definitely make the case that he deserves another shot. However, I am holding Raimi and Sony as accountable as I hold the people responsible for the crap that was X-3. So yeah, there will be those few people, maybe even myself, that may throw Nolan under the bus should history repeat itself. But after what he has given us he will still probably get a pass no matter what happens. Unless the movie is just a complete travesty which is HIGHLY unlikely...

See, I don't think SM3 was a complete travesty, just a weak follow-up after the insane amount of hype (honest to God, I saw a poster declare Spider-man 3 will be the greatest movie ever made.) It felt formulaic following the first two plus there was a sense that everyone was terrified that they wouldn't be able to top themselves. With Raimi's character-driven approach it felt like he had told the strongest stories with the first two. And yes Raimi deserves blame for some weak creative decisions. I'm not going to trash the man because I love Spidey 2 but I hope he brings something fresh to the fourth film.

But to get back on topic, I don't want that to happen to Nolan. He is too damn good of a filmmaker to be treated disrespectfully because he made a creative misstep. I would rather he go out on top than put a blemish on his resume of films. For me The Dark Knight is the Batman movie to end all Batman movies anyway so even if another movie wasn't made I'd feel content.

 

[BatJeff7786]

Well, I want my trilogy. That's what I am, a bat-fan. And I want my trilogy. No amount of logic can convince me otherwise. For the moment, I'm pretty excited about Inception, and if it's 3/4 of what The Prestige was, I will die and go to heaven.

But......then you won't get to see your trilogy.

 

[Darlton]

I'm pretty sure they have Imax in heaven. It they didn't, it wouldn't feel right. And I can always stage a coup. Satan did.

 

[KalMart]

I'm pretty sure they have Imax in heaven. It they didn't, it wouldn't feel right. And I can always stage a coup. Satan did.

I've heard it theorized that they have IMAX in Purgatory....but they only play Superman Returns......in 3D....but you don't get glasses.

 

[Darlton]

I have to ask, what is the fascination with ending film series as trilogies? I mean sure "The Batman Trilogy" has a nice ring to it but is a title all that important?

I think it's less about a trilogy and more about TDK's grim ending. Had TDK ended in a more triumphant note, and not so many people would be needing a sequel.

 

[jmc]

I think it's less about a trilogy and more about TDK's grim ending. Had TDK ended in a more triumphant note, and not so many people would be needing a sequel.

No, it's about the trilogy, TDK could have ended on a massively positive note and fans would still need Nolan to 'finish' the series. Somehow 3 films seems to be this mythical number that makes a film series 'feel complete', I really don't get the trilogy obsession, there's nothing wrong with two or even one film to tell a story.

 

[Darlton]

I've heard it theorized that they have IMAX in Purgatory....but they only play Superman Returns......in 3D....but you don't get glasses.

Well, it could be worse. It could be Spider-Man 3 in 3D.... WITH the glasses.

My point is that I'm always pretty excited about upocoming good movies, and I'm as excited about a non-batman Nolan film like Inception, as for the prospect of a third Batman movie. I don't believe they're exclusive. And I don't worry about the possibility of a flop because I can't fathom what the fear is all about. Raimi it's a great filmmaker, but Nolan is head and shoulders above him in almost every possible way, at least whe it comes to my own personal tastes. So I can't think of a third Nolan Bat-film as less than terrific. I'm confident he can't miss it.

 

[Darlton]

TDK could have ended on a massively positive note and fans would still need Nolan to 'finish' the series.

Agreed, but not so many fans.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

and "better" means what? How do you quantify that, and what guarentees do any of us have that Nolan has the same standard as you? Maybe to Nolan, being better means moving on, leaving his comfort zone, expanding his talents, doing new things. "Better" doesn't automatically equate to a more bad ass Batman movie. That's the kind of logic that makes billionaire wallstreet execs hungry for more money even while on the backs of others. It's just never good enough... and better always means more money.

Who said "better" equates to a more "bad ass" Batman movie?

"Better" would equate to creating another brilliant story featuring Batman, and finishing up his arc. Because let's face it, Batman's arc CLEARLY isn't done.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No, it's about the trilogy, TDK could have ended on a massively positive note and fans would still need Nolan to 'finish' the series. Somehow 3 films seems to be this mythical number that makes a film series 'feel complete', I really don't get the trilogy obsession, there's nothing wrong with two or even one film to tell a story.

Not for me it isn't. It's about finishing what you begin. TDK was CLEARLY the middle part to Batman's story in this universe IMO. His story isn't done yet, not by a long shot.

There is still a great story to tell I think, with Batman on the run with maybe higher organizations being brought in to aid with the hunt, Gordon torn between duty and loyalty to Batman, the truth about Dent, Batman relapsing into feelings of guilt after what happened in TDK, the aftermath of the rise of Joker. That's all just off the top of my head and I think those elements would make for a great, great movie. Nolan surely knows this too.

 

[Charlie The Red]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/30/batman-3-script-in-the-works/

As I said, he's probably already done by now, although there are multiple drafts to every script, so it's most definitely not final, but he's apparently started, nonetheless.

Yeah. Nowhere in that article does Nolan say he's returning. Hell, there's not even a quote from him.

All it says is more of what we've heard, speculation from "reliable outside sources" that Nolan is working on it. Which as we all learned with The Dark Knight those "inside sources" have a tendency of being completely off of the mark *cough* Lachy Hulme *uncough*

If you can find a direct quote from Nolan where he says he's certain he's coming back and writing a new script, then I'll change the thread title to "NOLAN RETURNS!"