Now that America's superheroes have been "federalized" who will they answer to?

[Fantasyartist]

Now that America's superheroes have been effectively "federalized" with a team of heroes in every state- who will they be responsible to- the Governor of their state or Washington DC?
Will there be "turf wars" between heroes in different states- ie Pennsylvania and Delaware, or Ohio and Maryland?

Terry

 

[Harlekin]

They answer to Tony Stark.

 

[yenaled]

Yup, S.H.I.E.L.D.

 

[PhotoJones]

Or, in special cases, they answer not to SHIELD, but to the CSA.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In most cases they answer to the CSA, actually. The Initiative is a CSA operation. SHIELD is just helping the CSA out with it by loaning them capekillers and other personnel.

At least, that's how I understood it. I don't know why the USA would leave the superhuman defense of its own states in the hands of SHIELD, which is a UN organization.

 

[PhotoJones]

Wikipedia describes the Initiative teams as being "SHIELD sponsored." That could be wrong, though. I always took the Initiative to be under SHIELD's control with the Thunderbolts being the only team under direct CSA jurisdiction.

 

[3dman27]

well put corp by now shield has probably served its purpose in helping the CSA in the SHRA matter

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wikipedia describes the Initiative teams as being "SHIELD sponsored." That could be wrong, though. I always took the Initiative to be under SHIELD's control with the Thunderbolts being the only team under direct CSA jurisdiction.

They haven't been clear on it either way, so I don't think anyone really knows at this point. I just don't see the USA giving primary jurisdiction over super-powered teams installed on US soil to a UN-sponsored agency, especially when there's a USA-sponsored agency that is perfectly capable of handling it already participating in the program. Camp Hammond--the breeding ground for the Initiative's team members--is itself under CSA jurisdiction. Why wouldn't the Initiative's actual teams be under its jurisdiction too?

 

[PhotoJones]

I don't know. So, does Rhodey work for SHIELD, or the CSA? And if it's for the CSA, why do Gyrich constantly bump heads over who's in control. If they're both working for the same team, whoever the boss is should be pretty apparent. The reason behind this constant battle for control that I can see stems from them coming from two different organizations with the chain of command not being very clear cut.

 

[Not Jake]

I wish the UN had SHIELD in real life. Ineffectual *****e bags

 

[PhotoJones]

The UN is made up of ineffectual *****ebags.

 

[Not Jake]

That's what I said.

 

[PhotoJones]

No, you said you wish they had ineffectual *****ebags when really, they are ineffectual *****ebags.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. So, does Rhodey work for SHIELD, or the CSA? And if it's for the CSA, why do Gyrich constantly bump heads over who's in control. If they're both working for the same team, whoever the boss is should be pretty apparent. The reason behind this constant battle for control that I can see stems from them coming from two different organizations with the chain of command not being very clear cut.

Gyrich works for the CSA. Rhodey I'm not sure about. Even if he does work for the CSA, though, he's the on-site commander of Camp Hammond, which means everything that goes on in that base should be made known to him; yet Gyrich is clearly running his own agendas behind Rhodey's back. Rhodey knows Gyrich from his days as an Avenger and through Tony's dealings with Gyrich, and he knows the kinds of games he plays, so it's not hard to see him butting heads with Gyrich no matter what agency either of them works for.

Besides which, it's pretty clear that Camp Hammond in general is a giant cluster**** nightmare as far as administration goes. Everybody's forwarding their own agenda and questioning what everyone else in the administration is doing. They don't even need Skrulls to know not to trust each other.

 

[Not Jake]

No, you said you wish they had ineffectual *****ebags when really, they are ineffectual *****ebags.

I meant that the UN were ineffectual *****e bags. I suppose the stream-of-consciousness typing could have been clearer. I don't think SHIELD is ineffectual

 

[PhotoJones]

Gyrich works for the CSA. Rhodey I'm not sure about. Even if he does work for the CSA, though, he's the on-site commander of Camp Hammond, which means everything that goes on in that base should be made known to him; yet Gyrich is clearly running his own agendas behind Rhodey's back. Rhodey knows Gyrich from his days as an Avenger and through Tony's dealings with Gyrich, and he knows the kinds of games he plays, so it's not hard to see him butting heads with Gyrich no matter what agency either of them works for.

Besides which, it's pretty clear that Camp Hammond in general is a giant cluster**** nightmare as far as administration goes. Everybody's forwarding their own agenda and questioning what everyone else in the administration is doing. They don't even need Skrulls to know not to trust each other.

True. I wish Marvel would put out a clear chain of command for everything Initiative involved.

 

[Not Jake]

Why, when it mirrors the real world so effectively

 

[PhotoJones]

That it does.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What I've worked out about Camp Hammond's leadership is basically:

- Gyrich is a liaison reporting on Camp Hammond's activities to the CSA--essentially, he's acting as on-site oversight.
- Rhodey is actually in charge of the base's operations. Don't know if he's SHIELD or CSA or just appointed by Tony somehow.
- Hank Pym is some kind of cross between administrator and chief scientist for R&D--I think I'm the least clear on his position, to be honest.
- Von Blitzschlag is the next-highest guy in the research and development arm of Camp Hammond after Pym.
- Justice is the head counselor for the Initiative's trainees.
- The Gauntlet was the head of the training department for the trainees. That position is going to Taskmaster now that Gauntlet's out of commission.

Those all make sense to me based on what I've seen. I think the hierarchy goes something like Rhodey/Gyrich, Pym, Von Blitzschlag, Justice, Gauntlet/Taskmaster, but I'm not sure.

 

[Not Jake]

Corp. Quit thinking about this

 

[Steve Rogers]

Shouldn't this be in the stupid marvel questions hread? Anyway, they all answer to Stark, but who's he answer to? The President, right?

 

[PhotoJones]

I really just want to know who Rhodey's working for.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Shouldn't this be in the stupid marvel questions hread? Anyway, they all answer to Stark, but who's he answer to? The President, right?

Where has anybody answered to Stark in A:TI? I think people are confusing the idea of the Initiative, which was Stark's, with the reality, which is a joint CSA/SHIELD program. Stark isn't the man on top in practice; it's bigger than him.

Corp. Quit thinking about this

But I'm so curious about how this thing actually runs. So far it just seems like a bunch of guys with some fraction of power over the base arguing with each other constantly.

 

[PhotoJones]

Officially, Stark answers to the UN. Unofficially, Stark answers the U.S. President.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Where has anybody answered to Stark in A:TI? I think people are confusing the idea of the Initiative, which was Stark's, with the reality, which is a joint CSA/SHIELD program. Stark isn't the man on top in practice; it's bigger than him.

So we're only talking the Avengers now? Stark has the ability to deputize any registered hero as a SHIELD Agent, therefore they answer to him.