NYCC 07: could Frank Miller Direct Dark Knight Returns?

[dude stannis]

Animated version please, Miller on Script and character design.

Burton and Keaton to stay 100m away from everything regarding TDKR.

You are...

 

[BatScot]

I can't stand anything about Frank Miller. He's a sellout, and thinks he's the god damn creator of Batman.

So does Bob Kane... what's your point?

 

[CConn]

So does Bob Kane... what's your point?

Maybe he can't stand Bob Kane either.

 

[Catman]

To give Kane credit he did come up with the idea, but it was Bill Finger who made the character what it is.

 

[BatScot]

Maybe he can't stand Bob Kane either.

Good point.

 

[Pksoze]

Miller didn't agree with Batman & Jokers portrayal in the Killing Joke. He thought it was well written just not in the character's interpretation.

I wouldn't be happy with DKR being brought to the screen as I don't agree with Miller's views on Bats & especially Superman.

 

[NolGoyHater]

I know he co-directed it. And I'm sure Rodriquez just let him do whatever he wanted from his vast experience as a director. Whatever. If anything Miller just said what angle the picture in the comic book was and Rodriguez went from there.

And just because he "co-directed" a movie, doesn't make him a good director. His art is crap. 'Ooooooh let's do a Batman story in the future. I'm so creative. I know more about Batman than Bob Kane. Come to think of it, I am Bob Kane. I should direct movies about my comics eventhough I said before that I would never EVER have my comics made into movies because that would make Frank Miller a sellout. Luckily for me, Bob Kane incarnate, I am not Frank Miller so I can make movies about Frank Miller comics. It would be yet another fan boy fantasy if Jim Lee directed the Wildcats movies. He drew it, that makes him worthy of the director chair.

Miller doesn't agree with anything BATMAN unless it's his interpretation. Because afterall he did invent the character.

 

[Tojo]

HATER!

No, not a hater. It's just that Burton and Keaton do not in anyway fit TDKR.

I really think it should just be an epic animation. Miller to write and design. Even get Conroy to do voice.

 

[Rockbottom]

Animation is by far the best way to go about it, TDKR would be a fitten end to Conroys run on doing Batmans voice.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I want a live action film or mini-series for DKR. Keaton returning (maybe even directing) and/or Burton directing the movie. Nicholson as Joker, Pfeiffer, Gough (who is the perfect age for this), Anthony Hopkins (Ollie), etc.

 

[Rockbottom]

^Yeah but who do you get for Superman? Thats the main problem.

 

[Catman]

Dean Cain

 

[Buttman]

Uh...you do realize that he was a co-director for Sin City, right?

He directed nothing on screen, that was all Rodriguez. Rodriguez gave him director's credit because he was lifting almost all of the shots out of the comic directly, and he said that Miller was the "director" of drawing the comic. Sure, Miller was there every day, but he didn't really co-direct the movie. It's like how MSJ got Executive Producer credit for Eletrka. He had absolutely nothing to do with the project, but recieved the credit because he directed the Daredevil movie, which Electrka was a "sequel" to.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

He directed nothing on screen, that was all Rodriguez. Rodriguez gave him director's credit because he was lifting almost all of the shots out of the comic directly, and he said that Miller was the "director" of drawing the comic. Sure, Miller was there every day, but he didn't really co-direct the movie. It's like how MSJ got Executive Producer credit for Eletrka. He had absolutely nothing to do with the project, but recieved the credit because he directed the Daredevil movie, which Electrka was a "sequel" to.

But Miller directed the actors, and gave them their motivation, basically allowing the good performences to be put on screen. Rodriguez fixed the camera and such.

Basically, the two split up the two main responsibilites of a director.

 

[Lex Luthor]

I would be so up for this if it was actually given the greenlight. Live action, or animation. Doesnt really matter.

 

[silentflute]

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[silentflute]

I know he co-directed it. And I'm sure Rodriquez just let him do whatever he wanted from his vast experience as a director. Whatever. If anything Miller just said what angle the picture in the comic book was and Rodriguez went from there.

If you know anything about Miller's work, then you can see how much it draws from CINEMA.Especially the early DD work and Sin City books.It's not inconcieveable that , hey, he may be pretty good at directing.Does it make him Francis Ford Coppola?No.

His art is crap.

Yeah Sin City is pretty atrocious.Get a clue.



'Ooooooh let's do a Batman story in the future. I'm so creative.

Uhm yeah.Damn straight.Let's see.Not only did he give the character his balls back and turn him into the most popular character of the 80's,90's and today, but he also changed the face of the medium with that book.

I know more about Batman than Bob Kane. Come to think of it, I am Bob Kane. I should direct movies about my comics eventhough I said before that I would never EVER have my comics made into movies because that would make Frank Miller a sellout.

Sure.Based on the Hollywood game.If the work was going to be handled like Robocop 2 & 3 then no.But if done with integrity, then why not?And who says someone can't change their mind if they feel the material is being handled correctly?

Luckily for me, Bob Kane incarnate, I am not Frank Miller so I can make movies about Frank Miller comics. It would be yet another fan boy fantasy if Jim Lee directed the Wildcats movies. He drew it, that makes him worthy of the director chair.

Jim's artwork is anything but cinematic.So it's doubtful he knows as much about cinema as Miller.

Miller doesn't agree with anything BATMAN unless it's his interpretation.

Most good artists become possessive of the charcters they work on.Period.That doesn't negate the fact that he has openly stated that he loves the work that O'Neil/Adams, Sprang and Finger did on the character.

 

[souloffire]

I know he co-directed it. And I'm sure Rodriquez just let him do whatever he wanted from his vast experience as a director. Whatever. If anything Miller just said what angle the picture in the comic book was and Rodriguez went from there.

And just because he "co-directed" a movie, doesn't make him a good director. His art is crap. 'Ooooooh let's do a Batman story in the future. I'm so creative. I know more about Batman than Bob Kane. Come to think of it, I am Bob Kane. I should direct movies about my comics eventhough I said before that I would never EVER have my comics made into movies because that would make Frank Miller a sellout. Luckily for me, Bob Kane incarnate, I am not Frank Miller so I can make movies about Frank Miller comics. It would be yet another fan boy fantasy if Jim Lee directed the Wildcats movies. He drew it, that makes him worthy of the director chair.

Miller doesn't agree with anything BATMAN unless it's his interpretation. Because afterall he did invent the character.

Did Miller run over your dog or something? I don't get the hate.

 

[Retroman]

I'd love to see a movie based on DKR live action or animated and i think Miller should be involved but i'm sure he should direct.If they do a faithfull version it should be R-Rated but i doubt any studio would want to invest in that.

 

[da3dl3us]

Did Miller run over your dog or something? I don't get the hate.

lol! t:

 

[Morgoth]

I LOVED Sin City (both the comics and the movie) I can't wait for the second one. I think if Frank directed DKR that would be so awesome. We could have Keaton play old bats!

I was thinking that too about Keaton. Hey Batattack, cool avvy and nice sig! B.D.B. !!!

 

[souvlaki]

I know he co-directed it. And I'm sure Rodriquez just let him do whatever he wanted from his vast experience as a director. Whatever. If anything Miller just said what angle the picture in the comic book was and Rodriguez went from there.

So Miller essentially was responsible for the camera angles, lighting, character placement, as well as character motivation as someone already mentioned. How is that hardly anything? To me it sounds like he had more to do with the way the film looked then Robert Rodriguez.

And just because he "co-directed" a movie, doesn't make him a good director. His art is crap.

Maybe you worded this badly, but how are those two things related? Why does his artwork have any bearing on his ability as a director? And while I understand Frank Miller's art is not exactly everyones' cup of tea, I really do have to wonder how much of Sin City you have read. Personally I find his black and white artwork stunning, but different strokes for different folks I suppose. I also must point out that Frank Miller probably has the most cinematic artwork in the comic book field right now. He has an amazing eye for lighting, layout, and storytelling.

'Ooooooh let's do a Batman story in the future. I'm so creative. I know more about Batman than Bob Kane.

Actually, if you look at exactly where Batman was in 1986, it really was quite a revolutionary story. Looking at the story now, yeah, it may not be as easy to appreciate, but that story really changed the way people thought of not only Batman, but comic books in general. TDKR really was the "Sgt. Pepper's" of the comic book world. And even if you didn't like TDKR, it still boggles my mind how you can be a fan of Batman, and not at least appreciate what the guy did with Batman: Year One.

It would be yet another fan boy fantasy if Jim Lee directed the Wildcats movies. He drew it, that makes him worthy of the director chair.

The comic book artist to director transition isn't as unusual as you are making it out to sound. Dave McKean directed Mirror Mask after all, and I thought he did an amazing job with it. Personally, I think Jim Lee would make a horrible director, but that's because I find his storytelling abilities as an artist horrible. This, however, is Frank Miller's strongest asset as an artist in my opinion.

Miller doesn't agree with anything BATMAN unless it's his interpretation. Because afterall he did invent the character.

Unless of course we are talking about Bill Finger, Denny O'Neal, Steve Englehart, or Jeph Loeb. Frank Miller has openly said several times he enjoyed every one of these writers' takes on Batman. What I find hilarious about this is I'm not even that big of a fan of TDKR, and I absolutely despise everything he's done with Batman since Year One, but really, I think you are over reacting slightly. Personally, somewhere down the line I wouldn't object to this in the least. As long as it was a fairly faithful adaption of TDKR, I think it might be interesting to see.

 

[NolGoyHater]

So Miller essentially was responsible for the camera angles, lighting, character placement, as well as character motivation as someone already mentioned.

So because he can draw art means he therefore set up the lighting rigs, put on the makeup for the actors, assembled the costumes etc?? Sorry, that's severely removing credit from Rodriguez to give to a comic book "artist".

Why does his artwork have any bearing on his ability as a director?

It has nothing to do with his "ability" to be a director. Just a jab at his art. TDK/TDKR looks like a 3rd grader had a seizure on paper with crayons.

it still boggles my mind how you can be a fan of Batman, and not at least appreciate what the guy did with Batman: Year One.

So I have to appreciate all things Batman in order to be a Batman fan? Where was that rule on the True Batman Fan Application?

The comic book artist to director transition isn't as unusual as you are making it out to sound. Dave McKean directed Mirror Mask after all, and I thought he did an amazing job with it. Personally, I think Jim Lee would make a horrible director, but that's because I find his storytelling abilities as an artist horrible. This, however, is Frank Miller's strongest asset as an artist in my opinion.

Do you see the irony yet? Your defending Miller while bashing Lee. Yet I can't do the same against Miller? True Batman Fan Rule #107: No one will bash a Batman artist. Rule #198: All comic artists, especially Batman, can be Film Directors w/o proper filming school techniques and theory.

Unless of course we are talking about Bill Finger, Denny O'Neal, Steve Englehart, or Jeph Loeb. Frank Miller has openly said several times he enjoyed every one of these writers' takes on Batman.

I would cover my ass too if I were Miller. I'm glad he enjoys other comic artists/writers takes on HIS Batman.

 

[silentflute]

So because he can draw art means he therefore set up the lighting rigs, put on the makeup for the actors, assembled the costumes etc?? Sorry, that's severely removing credit from Rodriguez to give to a comic book "artist".

yaeh ok.And Quentin tarantino was a punk video clerk who watched movies before he did Reservoir Dogs.How in the hell was he qualified to direct a movie



It has nothing to do with his "ability" to be a director. Just a jab at his art. TDK/TDKR looks like a 3rd grader had a seizure on paper with crayons.







So I have to appreciate all things Batman in order to be a Batman fan? Where was that rule on the True Batman Fan Application?

You have tp at least make some esense when you type.You don't.



Do you see the irony yet? Your defending Miller while bashing Lee. Yet I can't do the same against Miller? True Batman Fan Rule #107: No one will bash a Batman artist. Rule #198: All comic artists, especially Batman, can be Film Directors w/o proper filming school techniques and theory.

Where was Tarantino's schooling?Video Archives??

 

[NolGoyHater]

Why do you keep bringing up Tarantino? Last time I checked he has acutally directed movies. Miller has drawn comic books. People are giving credit to Miller for something he hasn't done and then saying he's good. That's my beef.

What doesn't make sense about my comment you quoted? The guy bashed me for not liking TDK and Miller and asked what kind of true Batman fan am I for doing so? I came up with a creative round about way of saying, 'I like Batman alot, just not everything about him'.

If you guys are going to pick apart my posts, that is fine. Just have a point for doing so. Seems like my disdain for your heroes bothers you and you can't handle it so you start namecalling and mocking.