Official 2011 MLB Thread - Part 1

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they can be looked at, in the dingy corners of the internet...I'm not watching MLB Network or Baseball Tonight to hear them talk about WAR and WIP and all that ****e

what exactly are you watching those programs for?

Also, you think WHIP is a complicated stat? It's very easy to understand, and useful when judging pitchers.
 
highlights recaps....call me old fashioned, I happen to think a win/loss record and an ERA is as deep as I need to get
 
It must be boring to be you then. There's a wealth of knowledge and information out there that you reject because you don't understand it, clinging to your convictions like a farm animal in its stall.
 
get off my lawn :argh:

I just enjoy watching the game....stats (at least in baseball) were never that important to me, I just enjoy the game

I don't need to dissect it to enjoy it
 
get off my lawn :argh:

I just enjoy watching the game....stats (at least in baseball) were never that important to me, I just enjoy the game

I don't need to dissect it to enjoy it

You can enjoy the game without a flood of stats. My point is you criticize the use of those stats without understanding them because you don't want to.

Let stat people enjoy the game, just as you will.
 
It must be boring to be you then. There's a wealth of knowledge and information out there that you reject because you don't understand it, clinging to your convictions like a farm animal in its stall.

and the insults aren't necessary
 
There will always be a cultural divide in Baseball between those who want to look deeper and analyze what they see and those who just want to turn their brains off and watch guys take cuts.

Neither is wrong. If you don't like stats then don't pay attention to stats. Doesn't mean they're going away.
 
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Did someone just get called a farm animal? :confused: I mean damn, we havent even started spring training games yet... :eek:


You're all coming along quite nicely :D
 
So Jose Bautista's extension, what do you guys think? I would have liked another year to see how much of his Brady Anderson-like power surge was legit or a fluke.
 
If he's half the hitter he was last year then the contract was worth it. He was a 7 WAR player and they're not paying him like he's going to be one again. The Blue Jays have suddenly become of the smartest organizations around.
 
Any team that could trade away Wells and his contract automatically is the smartest team in baseball
 
Not necessarily. That requires another GM being extraordinarily bad at his job.
 
If he's half the hitter he was last year then the contract was worth it. He was a 7 WAR player and they're not paying him like he's going to be one again. The Blue Jays have suddenly become of the smartest organizations around.

Anywhere between 30-40 homers a year seems realistic to justify the deal. Dunno how he's going to fare defensively.
 
Anywhere between 30-40 homers a year seems realistic to justify the deal. Dunno how he's going to fare defensively.
He doesn't even really need to do that. Based on WAR, FanGraphs ran up a mock of what he needs to do to justify the contract.

2011 – +3.4 WAR, $5 million per win, $17.5 million value
2012 – +2.9 WAR, $5.25M $/win, $15.23 million value
2013 – +2.4 WAR, $5.51M $/win, $13.23 million value
2014 – +1.9 WAR, $5.69M $/win, $11.00 million value
2015 – +1.4 WAR, $6.08M $/win, $8.51 million value Total: +12 WAR, $64.96 million value

That’s the standard aging curve and an assumed inflation rate of 5% per year. In order to live up to the contract, Bautista has to be something like a +3.5 win player next year, and then age normally each year after that. Or, to put it into 2010 player terms, Bautista essentially needs to be about as good as Casey McGehee was last year. McGehee hit .285/.337/.464 while playing below average defense at third base. Do you think Bautista is capable of that next year? (If he moves to the outfield, he’d need to be somewhat above average defensively out there or hit a little bit better than this, but you get the idea.)

The Jays aren’t paying for 2010 Bautista. They’re paying for 2010 McGehee, and our expectations should be adjusted to reflect that. He doesn’t have to hit 50 home runs again to justify his contract. He doesn’t even have to hit 40. He just has to be a good hitter with a bit of defensive value and stay relatively healthy, because that’s generally what the Blue Jays are paying for.
 
He doesn't even really need to do that. Based on WAR, FanGraphs ran up a mock of what he needs to do to justify the contract.

2011 – +3.4 WAR, $5 million per win, $17.5 million value
2012 – +2.9 WAR, $5.25M $/win, $15.23 million value
2013 – +2.4 WAR, $5.51M $/win, $13.23 million value
2014 – +1.9 WAR, $5.69M $/win, $11.00 million value
2015 – +1.4 WAR, $6.08M $/win, $8.51 million value Total: +12 WAR, $64.96 million value

You cited a Dave Cameron piece. Who are you and what have you done with Kingfish?
 
Pre-ordered Jonah Keri's "The Extra 2%: How Wall Street Strategies Took a Major League Baseball Team from Worst to First" which is about the Rays. Hopefully it's worth the investment.
 
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