Comics Official ASTONISHING X-MEN Discussion Thread

[bengan]

I thought issue 15 was pretty good, but all it really did was build up my anticipation for finding out what the deal is with this new Hellfire Club. In particular I want to know who Perfection is. I'd also like to know how Negasonic Teenage Warhead is alive. That one is driving me nuts...

She said that she dreamed her back to life. That may mean that she can change reality. She mayebe wanted to look dead, so she looked dead...

 

[mad_harleyq]

maybe negasonic whatever, her names too long, anyway maybe she was in emmas classroom so that she could keep an eye on emma, thats has to count for something that she was in her class, it has to mean something, and i think the mole has to be someone who has had some sort of role in astonishing, and it has to be the asian girl, because shes the only one who was in the danger room, it has to be her, they wouldnt just have some one out of no where be the mole

 

[moonstar]

Is he de-evolving or just did they just mind-control him into faking de-evolution?

1.If Beast is de-evolving why didn't his mutation just reverse- therefore turning him human again? I'd actually find a human beast more interesting these days (that goes for angel too)...
2. i'm all for girl power Kitty's probably a great Ninja but what can she really do to offensively hurt Emma especially in her diamond form?
I know she might be able to stop Emma from killing the others or appeal to her logic,common sense or heart if she had one-but I think the only thing she can do is get Emma to stop helping HC and the others will recover and help unless someone know's of any other offensive abilities she has. And what's gonna stop Nega whatever warhead from dreaming her 6 feet under again? Her power's not really pyschic based-
ps I hope Lockheed gets in on the action too!

 

[BrianWilly]

1. The only person who's ever said that Beast was de-evolving was Cassandra Nova, and she obviously only said 'cause she's a big dick who wanted to mess with his head; I don't think we can take her word for much. And Hank himself only thinks so because of his own self-esteem issues. To all other appearances, his cat form is merely an extension of his natural evolution.

2. As shown in Phoenix: Endsong, Kitty could reach into Emma's body and crush her heart if she needed to. Emma's "bush league" telepathy isn't fast enough to stop Kitty if she ever got the element of surprise.

 

[triplefive]

Who knows if Kitty could crush Emma's heart when Emma is in diamond form though.

 

[mad_harleyq]

and all of her insides are diamond, so kitty cant touch her, and im sure emma can sense when kitty is around, no one really gives emma the credit she deserves when it comes to her telepathy, from the looks of it, emma was contacted by nova while with gen x and emma has changed alot since then, i think she deserves more from fans and from the writers

 

[BrianWilly]

I don't know if this aspect of her powers is still active since Morrison seems to have forgotten about it in the latter half of his run and Whedon has never mentioned it in his, but technically Emma's telepathic powers don't work when she's in diamond form. So if Emma goes diamond to stop Kitty from crushing her heart, Kitty wouldn't have to worry about telepathy and could try to stop Emma another way.

And speaking of that other way...Remember, way back in the first arc, when Kitty warned Emma about wriggling around when they were both fused through a wall? If Kitty pulls someone into solid ground with her and then lets go of that person, the other person will fuse molecules with the object..."as deaths go, it's not the funnest." I have a feeling that we're going to see this aspect of Kitty's powers in play again very soon...

 

[triplefive]

Oh right... I re-read all of Astonishing and Endsong recently and they've totally mashed together in my mind.

And I still think that Beast was only fooled into thinking he's devolving... why else would Cassandra have made the comment at the end of 15 about the beast who thought he was a man and the man who thought he was a beast? (paraphrased) It's not like Wolverine is ACTUALLY a 5-year old girl... he just thinks he is.

 

[mad_harleyq]

its all too complicated, but i just dont think kitty the p.r. sunt cant take emma the ruthless white queen, ok emma first of all would know when kitty was going to attack, so she could stop her before she even has the chance to touch emma, which would have no need for her diamond form, emma is unique in the fact that she has very good offence and deffence, so i see her as very very hard to take on

 

[RSS]

and all of her insides are diamond, so kitty cant touch her,

Nope. Only her skin and hair are diamond, all of her insides are human flesh - so kitty can touch her.

Now, Emma may have telepathy - but Kitty has a slight defense from telepaths when she phases, which is all she might need. Anyway, I don't think it'll come down to Kitty vs. Emma, I think it'll be Emma and Kitty vs. The Hellfire Club. As much as I'd love to see her go evil - I don't think Emma will go evil now....

 

[Changer d'Elder]

Nope. Only her skin and hair are diamond, all of her insides are human flesh - so kitty can touch her.

I don't think so...she was shattered once to tiny little pieces...of diamond.

 

[RSS]

Here's what it says in the 2004 X-Men Handbook:

It also makes sense, seeing as in the latest(I think it was the latest) issue of New X-Men she was stabbed with a Vibranium blade - and she bleeded.

 

[Changer d'Elder]

Weird...how could she shatter then? Oo? I think I'm little confused...

 

[rabidfanboy]

ok emma first of all would know when kitty was going to attack, so she could stop her before she even has the chance to touch emma,

Let's not forget that most of the X-Men were taught by Prof. X how to put up psychic defenses, and that while phased Kitty is more resistant to telepathy. As far as Emma is concerned right now Kitty has been defeated. Unless she is actively on the telepathic guard and "scanning" for an attack I don't see Kitty having a problem getting the jump on her.

The one I'd worry about catching wind of her telepathically is Nova.

 

[Darkdd]

The thing is,Emma set this whole thing up.The minute she brought Kitty into the team she was expecting her to "take her down".So, i don't think there will be any element of suprise involved.

 

[Darkdd]

Here's what it says in the 2004 X-Men Handbook:

It also makes sense, seeing as in the latest(I think it was the latest) issue of New X-Men she was stabbed with a Vibranium blade - and she bleeded.

This is one of the inconsistensies with Emma.I just choose to think that she has varying degrees of diamond power.(Is it so hard to leave someone a memo Marvel writers.)

 

[SMroxs]

And speaking of that other way...Remember, way back in the first arc, when Kitty warned Emma about wriggling around when they were both fused through a wall? If Kitty pulls someone into solid ground with her and then lets go of that person, the other person will fuse molecules with the object..."as deaths go, it's not the funnest." I have a feeling that we're going to see this aspect of Kitty's powers in play again very soon...

It's kind of off topic, but in X3 when Kitty phased Juggernaut into the floor he totally should've been dead. His molecules should've been phased into the concrete floor, but instead he just kind of displaced that section of the floor or something. At any rate I wouldn't mind seeing Kitty take Cassandra Nova and phase her head right into Sebastion Shaw...

Since we've seen Emma shatter as a result of being shot, I would have to agree that her entire body turns diamond-y inside and out. But Kitty could still take her down by phasing her into something solid. Emma's going to turn on the Hellfire Club though. I'm sure of it.

 

[americanguy96]

Uh! My book still has not come yet!

 

[The Comedian]

It's kind of off topic, but in X3 when Kitty phased Juggernaut into the floor he totally should've been dead. His molecules should've been phased into the concrete floor, but instead he just kind of displaced that section of the floor or something. At any rate I wouldn't mind seeing Kitty take Cassandra Nova and phase her head right into Sebastion Shaw...

Since we've seen Emma shatter as a result of being shot, I would have to agree that her entire body turns diamond-y inside and out. But Kitty could still take her down by phasing her into something solid. Emma's going to turn on the Hellfire Club though. I'm sure of it.

The writers gave some explanation at the Xverse that Juggernaut's powers prevented him from being killed by repelling the molecules of the floor away instead of them reconstituting inside him in X3.

 

[BrianWilly]

^That's kinda what I assumed. But then again, how would young Kitty know that? Did she pull him into the ground with the full intent of killing his ass?

I'm pretty sure that the handbooks got it wrong. Big shock. If only Emma's hair and skin turned to diamond, she would never have shattered like she did. She's heavier in diamond form, too, able to piledrive people and pull serious offensive maneuvers, which would make no sense if only her hair and skin changed.

 

[Doomed_hero]

I honestly think Kitty is going to be working with Emma in the end. In the first arc, Emma said Kitty was there cause Emma wanted her to be. Why would that be if it was just to kill Kitty? I think Emma has something else brewing, just not sure if its true cause how would she hide it from Cassandra.

 

[mad_harleyq]

well see was able to hide that fact that she really is in love with scott, so im sure she can hide other things as well

 

[ghost113]

I just read the TPB from astonishing where the danger room attacks the students and now i might just start picking this book up.

 

[Darkdd]

I honestly think Kitty is going to be working with Emma in the end. In the first arc, Emma said Kitty was there cause Emma wanted her to be. Why would that be if it was just to kill Kitty? I think Emma has something else brewing, just not sure if its true cause how would she hide it from Cassandra.

That was her plan all along to save herself from Cassandra.

 

[ghost113]

how much would I have to buy and read to catch up with the series?