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His comments confirm my thoughts that it's "not in continuity"...

:yay:
 
His comments confirm my thoughts that it's "not in continuity"...

:yay:

I disagree. Why do this at all unless it's to streamline the convoluted clone saga continuity for BND? Joe Q said there would be TWO events altered (one is the marriage and this is probably the second). Afterall, Ben Reilly is being reintroduced in the present-day books as well.
 
unless the clone saga still happened but it was drastically different due to BND. This could be that version.
 
The only thing they could do is to simply make it so that Ben didn't "die", and maybe went comatose or something since then... because they have also stated that continuity has not been changed, so what we read as the Clone Saga of the 90's still in fact happened as such (with the possible exception that Ben did not "die").

That, I could see... but the solits call for the Clone Saga "as it was meant to be", which means that Peter Parker since ASM #149 has been the Clone and Ben Reilly is the REAL Peter Parker, and I doubt that Marvel would open THAT can of worms again... and it would make all the Spider-Man stories since then null and void, which we know these things have already happened, like May's house burning down (mentioned twice since BND began).

So again, methinks that Marvel is making purposeful Ben Reilly appearances to see what sales would be like in order to (maybe) bring him back.

:yay:
 
^ I thought the original intent of the Clone Saga was that it was going to last, something like 6 months, and Pete would end up staying Spider-Man. The switch out came after it caught fire (if memory serves...)
 
No... if memory serves me well (and it has a nasty habit of letting me down in old age... something we can relate :o ), the intent was to have Peter (powerless) & MJ go off to Portland and have babies and live happily ever after while Ben was going to take over as Spider-Man (as well as being the "real" Peter Parker).

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:
 
No... if memory serves me well (and it has a nasty habit of letting me down in old age... something we can relate :o ), the intent was to have Peter (powerless) & MJ go off to Portland and have babies and live happily ever after while Ben was going to take over as Spider-Man (as well as being the "real" Peter Parker).

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:

This is no easy one, because the goal of the clone saga changed so often.
Regarding Life of Reilly the original plan was to bring the clone back, replace Peter and after a short while reestablish Peter as the real deal.

Someway through the stories they decided Ben should stay Spider-Man, and thus they didn't build in the backdoor they intentially had planned for Peter's return.

When fan cries were so loud they eventually decided to bring back Peter as Spidey, but they didn't know how. First Gaunt was meant to be Harry Osborn and the mastermind behind the clones, then they brought Norman back and to make absolutely sure that Peter was the one and only they got rid of Ben. So killing Ben was basically the writers' evidence of failure, because they couldn't think of any other way to get out of their mess.

But back on topic:
I think this IS their way to come clean with the clone saga and do everything right for post OMD continuity that went horribly wrong because of changes in editorial stuff during the clone saga in the 90s.
So Ben coming back, replacing Peter, whatever backdoor Tom D had in mind, and then there will be an ending without Ben dying and leaving the state for his career as Scarlet Spider (they even talked about a spin-off series at some point before they decided Ben was the real deal and that he should take over the Spider-Man books)
 
Life of Reiily said:
Emphatically, no. The whole arc was supposed to end in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #400, and leave "Ben Reilly" as the one and only "original Peter Parker" and forge a new beginning. Ironically, the whole storyline, which was supposed to simplify Spider-Man's mythos and ultimately bring him "back to basics" ended up complicating everything beyond what anyone imagined!

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I could have sworn that I read somewhere that, originally, it was not the intention to replace Pete.
 
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I could have sworn that I read somewhere that, originally, it was not the intention to replace Pete.

I read that too actually. Maybe it was in the '101 Ways to End the Clone Saga' one shot. But it sorta makes you wonder, if that was the case then what was the point of brining in the clone in the first place?
 
I read that too actually. Maybe it was in the '101 Ways to End the Clone Saga' one shot. But it sorta makes you wonder, if that was the case then what was the point of brining in the clone in the first place?

Well, the same as anything else: to tell some stories!

I didn't know this:

Life of Reilly said:
Ironically, the end of the Clone Saga had long been planned to coincide with the end of Peter and Mary Jane's marriage. And yet, when it finally came down to wrapping up the Saga, the story line ended with the marriage-and Peter and Mary Jane's devotion to each other-being stronger than ever. I don't remember the reason for this about-face. Maybe we figured that we'd get so much hate mail just from bringing back Norman Osborn, that if we also broke up Peter and MJ, we'd have a full-scale riot on our hands!
 
everything I read on the saga pointed towards Peter retiring and moving away with MJ to raise their child and Ben taking over as Spider-man. That way Marvel could have single carefree Spider-man without resorting to a lame plot excuse to returning the old status quo.
It was supposed to end in issue 400 of Amazing and leave Ben Reilly as the one true Spider-man
 
So let me quote Tom DeFalco himself on this (from Life of Reilly):

Here's a secret - when I finally okayed the clone saga, I told Danny Fingeroth to build a backdoor into it. I said that I wanted to be able to bring Peter back as the real deal. But I didn't tell Danny everything. I believe that both comic book creators and comic book fans are a cowardly and superstitious lot. While the fans claim they want change, they tend to react negatively to it. So do most creators! With this in mind, I later updated Mark Gruenwald on our plans for the clone saga. Mark was my second-in-command, and the logical guy to succeed me. He and I agreed that Peter was the real guy, but that we would let the Spider-team try to convince the readers otherwise. If the Spider-creators succeeded, they would love the idea of the old switcheroo. If they failed, they'd be soooo harry that they had a backdoor. Either way, the readers were guaranteed a great story with a lot of unexpected twists.


Our plan was to structure the clone saga like a three-act play. Act One would climax at or around Amazing #400 - when we revealed that Pete was the clone and Ben was the real guy. Act Two would last around three months and follow Ben's adventures. In Act Three, Peter would triumphantly return as the one, true Spider-Man. Mark and I were hoping the Spider-crew could make Ben a viable character during his turn in the spotlight, and we planned to star Ben in his own monthly title after Peter returned. It was kind of like what I had already done with Thor and Thunderstrike - two very different titles based on a single concept. Of course, our plan went into the trash the day I got fired, and Mark wasn't picked to succeed me.

I think editorial eventually lost control of the story, and the marketing department took charge. Instead of moving along at a brisk pace, the story was stretched farther and farther out.

So I think this might be the directioin Tom D. is going for in the Clone Saga 6-part arc.
 
and heres the first new pic of kaine in almost 15 years

http://i.livescience.com/images/SMCS01_06.tn.jpg

its happening :D

"Tom and I have been calling this the writer’s cut. Based upon my notes, and our rapidly fading memories, this is the story as we best as we remember it. We tried to strip away any extraneous characters, subplots, etc... and stick to the heart of the story. In essence it is a story about Peter Parker and Ben Reilly. A story about brotherhood. " OH YEAH!!!

although scarlets top looks like a vest :S http://i.livescience.com/images/spiderman-cover.jpg
 
New interview with Defalco and Mackie about the Clone Saga mini: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/060918-Clone-Saga.html

It's not in continuity, just how it was supposed to be told.
You're right-- it's definitely not in continuity. If you look closely at panel 2, page 4, you'll see MJ is wearing a wedding ring! :woot:
SMCS01_04.tn.jpg
 
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