Official Green Lantern Casting and Discussion Thread

[Katsuro]

With two Supermen you have to explain how one got to a different dimensino.

With two Green Lanterns you have to explain how one got to a different city. Furthermore, their origins ARE related.

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.

There is no equality.

So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.

By "faithful" do you mean: keeping only the most basic details?

That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!

Origional form or present continuity? Start at the beginning or start at the beginning of the story? You have no point.

Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.

Wow. Hal Jordan started the GL Corps? Amazing. Furthermore, I have to ask... what does the GLC mean to you? Because if what you saw in ED is what you know about the GLC, then it's no wonder you think a Hal-centric franchise can capture Green Lanterndom.

I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.

A challenge!

1) Analysis. John Stewart is the thinker, and as such, provides the best narration, reflection and analysis of the world. He asks the most questions every day of the week, and thus, is the best for helping the audience understand the Green Lantern Universe.

I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.

2) Contructs. John builds things from architecture, than seem real and practical. That makes not only for the coolest looking special effects, but it also makes them seem less cartoony than having hands and magna characters pop out of thin air.

First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.

3) Exposure. John is the most exposed and publically identifiable GL at this time.

Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.

4) Most connected to the GLC. Hal has close bonds with all of Earth's GLs, especially Kyle. Not that the GL movie has to follow the comics exactly, but there is a basis for close relationships with all the supporting characters other than being just their savior (in the case of Hal). John has the most diverse relationships, and is thus, the most interesting to see played out.

He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.

5) Diversity. John is markedly different from other dime-a-dozen superheroes, from his look, to his attitude, to his background, to his media exposure. He's just different, and that piques curiosity, which is obviously a VERY good thing. Nobody wants to go see "Spider-Man with a ring" or "Super Top Gun."

The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.

Nice 'Mal' Jordan there Maj! But do I spy Ernie Hudson as John?And no offense but I don't want to see Gyllenhal anywhere near a DC movie. I'd rather see Milo Ventimiglia ( Peter Petrelli from Heroes) as Kyle. But that's just my opinion. For some reason I just don't like Gyllenhal. Might have something to do with the whole "Gyllenhal for Dent" mess. Hudson would have been a great John though.

I dont think that's Jake Gyllenhaal. Even worse, I think it's Zack from Saved by the Bell in that picture.

 

[Cobblepot]

Hal Jordan - Clive Owen

 

[GL1]

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.

If Hal is a supporting character, why go in depth on his origin at all? The bolded statement is logic that has never applied to anything ever. It's actually pretty silly.

So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.

Quetion: How many times has Movie Hal Jordan saved the day?
Answer: As many times as the writer decides that he has.

Question: How public have these displays been? How much coverage have they recieved? Have they all been on earth? How recent have they been?
Answer: It's up to the writer?

That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!

OH NOES! JOHN HASN'T SEEN HAL IN ACTION!! TRAVESTY!! OMG ALAN SCOTT IS MEETING HAL JORDAN!!! TRAVESTY!!!

Hypocrite.

Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.

Pre Robin? Hardly. It also seems evident that they always make MAJOR changes to continuity. But you are ignoring that.

I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.

No, you said that's where the story starts, which is wrong. Furthermore, you've failed to state why Hal best introduces the world to the audience. At all.

I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.

Hal was not new to the concept, either. He was familar with GL comics. Furthermore, having a minimal knowledge of the world, such as Anakin or Luke had, can also enhance the character's ability to introduce the world.

First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.[/.quote]

Your reading comprehension here REALLY sucks. Look up the word "seems." The way John produces his fantastic creations makes for better special effects.

Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.

Like you said: Why not both: Money upfront for familiarity and long run money for a better movie. I've given reasons why John would be better, and you have only hypocritically made comments about "being faithful."

He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.

Of course Hal has interactions, John's are just better, deeper and more diverse.

The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.

Wow, where is the logic dude, where is the logic? It's not diverse if you center on the typical superhero (Hal) and minimize everything else into supporting cast.

Man, you're a stand up guy, but you have, NO arguement. You're hypocritical, using double standards and logic that doesn't fly and most of your case against John involves minor details from the comics that YOU have stated aren't important. You just want Hal because he's your favorite. I've not only shown my favorite to be a better option, but made it clear that an Ensemble movie trumps all, even so much as to put it in my sig.

My closing arguements:

1) John is a better candidate than Hal Jordan for a movie because of his Analysis, Constructs, Diversity, Exposure and relationships.

2) And Ensemble GL movie has all the strengths of any other GL movie and none of the weaknesses.

That's all there is to say.

Next post: Casting.

 

[sepharih]

GL1.....you've convinced me.

 

[batbat_29640]

Hal Jordan - Clive Owen

I'm on the Fillion bandwagon.

 

[Katsuro]

If Hal is a supporting character, why go in depth on his origin at all? The bolded statement is logic that has never applied to anything ever. It's actually pretty silly.

How the hell else are you gonna explain the existence of two Green Lanterns when one of them is Alan Scott. With two GLC members it's easy, as you can just assume the other was recruited by the Corps too. But with Alan, you wouldn't even know who the Corps was!

Quetion: How many times has Movie Hal Jordan saved the day?
Answer: As many times as the writer decides that he has.

Question: How public have these displays been? How much coverage have they recieved? Have they all been on earth? How recent have they been?
Answer: It's up to the writer?

So, you get on me about reducing the rest of the Corps to supporting cast, yet you want to make Hal Jordan a hero who hasn't done one noteworthy deed? You want him to not do one single act that's worthy of making it on the news?

OH NOES! JOHN HASN'T SEEN HAL IN ACTION!! TRAVESTY!! OMG ALAN SCOTT IS MEETING HAL JORDAN!!! TRAVESTY!!!

Hypocrite.

there's no gray with you, is there? To you, there's no difference between aging Bruce Wayne a couple years, and making John the first GL of Earth (since I dont think your Hal even counts as a Green Lantern, he just liked to wear the suit and lounge around). and I never said him meeting Alan Scott was unfaithful, I said it was ridiculously complex and would fly over the heads of the audience.

Pre Robin? Hardly. It also seems evident that they always make MAJOR changes to continuity. But you are ignoring that.

Again, we have differing opinions on what's a "major" change.

No, you said that's where the story starts, which is wrong. Furthermore, you've failed to state why Hal best introduces the world to the audience. At all.

No, I haven't. I've said it many, many times. Again and again, in practically every post of mine. Would you like me to state it again, just in case you missed it last time? Lemme sum it up.

Hal Jordan best introduces the audience to the Green Lantern universe because he's new. He's never seen a Green Lantern, and he's never seen a power ring. The audience is the same way. Green Lantern comics are not popular, and the character is not mainstream. He's never had his own TV show or movie, and you almost never find a reference to him in the mainstream. No one knows him, therefor you need to introduce the concept properly.

Hal was not new to the concept, either. He was familar with GL comics. Furthermore, having a minimal knowledge of the world, such as Anakin or Luke had, can also enhance the character's ability to introduce the world.

Yeah, that Hal reading GL comics thing, it's not making it in. And before you start calling me a hypocrite, making Hal not read comics is a very small change, especially since it's a change that was made in the Crisis. It's a lot different than rewriting Hal's entire character and history.

Your reading comprehension here REALLY sucks. Look up the word "seems." The way John produces his fantastic creations makes for better special effects.

Disagreed.

Like you said: Why not both: Money upfront for familiarity and long run money for a better movie. I've given reasons why John would be better, and you have only hypocritically made comments about "being faithful."

No, i've given plenty of reasons why Hal would be better than John, you've just chosen to ignore them. I still cant see how you'd start a John Stewart movie anyways. Hal's origin practically writes itself, even without Emerald Dawn. Who wants to watch a movie about a guy hired as a replacment for a backup? Even if you leave out Guy, he's still Hal's backup. Of course, I dont even think that'd be a bad movie as long as it wasn't the first GL movie. If they did a Hal Jordan movie first, then brought John in as the main GL of the second movie, that'd be okay. But as the first movie, it just doesn't make sense.

Wow, where is the logic dude, where is the logic? It's not diverse if you center on the typical superhero (Hal) and minimize everything else into supporting cast.

Just because the rest of the Corps are supporting cast from the film's perspective, doesnt mean they're not still there. You're acting like I want to put them in as background characters with one or two lines. No, a supporting cast can be well-developed characters with personalities and even sub-plots of their own. And you keep talking about an "ensemble" movie, but how many action movies have you even seen that star an "ensemble". Han Solo and Chewie may have had a lot of screen-time, but make no mistake Luke Skywalker WAS the star of the OT. Neo was the star of The Matrix, and Frodo was the star of Lord of the Rings. You cant make a true ensemble movie, because 2 hours just isn't enough time to develop that many characters.

If you weren't so stubborn, you'd be able to see that the way i'm suggesting would give everyone their fair shot. You start a movie with Hal, and the only way to move is forward. The other GLs can be brought in down the line. Hal's origin for the first movie, Hal recruiting John (shown from John's perspective) for the second or third movie, followed by the destruction of the Corps by Parralax and the rebirth by Kyle. And if you want the Corps as an ensemble so badly, give them a spinoff TV show. It's so much easier to do an ensemble on TV than in a movie. And as for Guy, introduce him ever so slightly in the main films, then throw him in a Super-Buddies movie.

Now the conversation's over. Quitsies. No anti-quitsies. No startsies.

 

[batbat_29640]

Their origins may be slightly related, but it's in such a distant, far-out way that explaining it in a 2 hour movie would be impossible. It would not be a good movie, and it would all go over audiences heads. It would also be unfaithful to the character, as while Alan Scott may have interacted with the Corps from time to time, it is by no means something he does regularly.




So, what? John doesn't pay attention to current events, then? Wow, some brilliant mind he must be, he doesn't even watch the damn news. Maybe he wouldn't ask so many questions if he paid attention to the world around him.




That part of it, yeah. Kinda. The way you put it makes it sound a bit extreme, but following the basics is pretty much what's imporant. OMG BRUCE WAYNE WAS 30 INSTEAD OF MID-TWENTIES WHEN HE BECAME BATMAN?!?! TRAVESTY!!!!




Perhaps I misspoke. By "original form", I mean whatever you are adapting. Whether that be Golden Age stories, or updated Post-Crisis rewrites of origins. It seems logical they'd adapt present continuity, since that's what comic fans are familiar with these days. Not to mention if you're gonna adapt the stories of the Golden Age, you'd have to keep the spirit of the comics, which is very, very campy.




I didn't say he started the Corps, I said that he's both where the current story "picks up", and the character who best introduces the world to the audience.




I still dont see how he'd help the audience understand the universe better than Hal. As I've point out a thousand times, John would not be new to the concept like Hal would. Having a character as new to the world as the audience helps the audience get aquainted with it along with the character.



First of all, the manga **** is Kyle's. But as for a lot of other stuff, isn't that what makes Green Lanterns fun? It's a power that's fueled by their imagination, so what fun is a Green Lantern who just does what's practical and real when they can add flair and imagination to it? How does that make the coolest special effects, I'd say it makes the most boring effects.



Personally, i'd prefer they lose a little money on opening weekend due to a less familiar character, then make it up in the long run due to a better movie.



He may be the most connected to the GLC, but dont act like Hal has no interaction with them whatsoever. Hal interacts with the Corps plenty, and not just when he's "being their savior". It's not like John was the only one to fall in love with a fellow Green Lantern.



The concept of the Green Lantern by itself makes it diverse. The only Green Lantern that would be "Spider-Man with a ring" would be Alan Scott.



I dont think that's Jake Gyllenhaal. Even worse, I think it's Zack from Saved by the Bell in that picture.

Please tell me you're beeing sarcastic.

 

[Penguin]

James Marsden.

 

[GL1]

"The Green Lantern"
First Billing:
John Stewart: Derek Luke
Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion
Kilowogg: Dennis Haysbert
Sinestro: Ralph Fiennes
Katma Tui: Kelly Hu
Supporting Cast:
Ganthet: Ian Holm
Salaak: Brent Spiner
Carol Ferris: Courtney Cox
Kyle Rayner: Hunter Gomez
G'nort: Andy Serkis
Manhunters: Voiced by Keith David
Tomar Re: Seth Green

"Green Lantern: 2814"
First Billing:
John Stewart: Derek Luke
Katma Tui: Kelly Hu
Kilowogg: Dennis Haysbert
Tomar Re: Seth Green
Arisia: Dakota Fanning
Fatality: Gabrielle Union
Guy Gardener: Sean William Scott
Supporting Cast: (other than, y'know, voiceless CGI parallax)
Old Timer: Ian MacKellen
Mogo: Voiced by James Earl Jones
Hal Jordan: Nathan Fillion
Carol Ferris: Courtney Cox
Salaak, G'nort, Ganthet, etc.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Hal Jordan

John Stewart

Guy Gardner

Kyle Rayner

Alan Scott

 

[Franklin Richards]

Abin-Sur

Sinestro

Star Sapphire / Carol Ferris

:gl: :gl: :gl:

 

[Eddie Dean]

Denis Leary would have made a great Guy Gardner.

 

[Katsuro]

Please tell me you're beeing sarcastic.

Nope, i'm pretty sure it's Zack.

 

[Rorschach2012]

mr dean is dead on!

 

[Jordacar]

I'd like to throw in another suggestion for Guy: Christian Finnegan

warmer?

 

[DrayvensCrow]

I'd like to throw in another suggestion for Guy: Christian Finnegan

warmer?

Only if you define "warmer" as "below freezing"! That's right up there with Jack Black!

 

[Jordacar]

Only if you define "warmer" as "below freezing"! That's right up there with Jack Black!

Yeah, I didn't think so either.
But I still haven't heard the right one. I know he's out there somewhere. Who's the one guy who absolutely is Guy?

Let's get specific: What are those key scenes in the history of Guy that the actor who plays him must qualify for?

Ex: Guy's one-panel fight with Batman.

 

[The Techno Bat]

Denis Leary would have made a great Guy Gardner.

I agree, Denis would have made a great Guy Gardner about 10-12 years ago. He definately has that attitude, he is excellent on Rescue Me with his fly off the handle irish attitude!

 

[GL1]

Abin-Sur

Sinestro

:gl: :gl: :gl:

While many of Frank's cast seems 10-12 years ago, or perhaps for a movie that picks up after GL v4, these two castings seem impossible to argue with.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I agree, Denis would have made a great Guy Gardner about 10-12 years ago. He definately has that attitude, he is excellent on Rescue Me with his fly off the handle irish attitude!

You know who else would have been great? Bruce Willis.

While many of Frank's cast seems 10-12 years ago, or perhaps for a movie that picks up after GL v4, these two castings seem impossible to argue with.

Gyllenhaal could work also. I'm not a big fan of him, but he could work.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.

And BTW John Stewarts origin sucks as a first scene.

Guardian: He is our choice for the replacement.
Hal: Him...really?
Guardian: Yes.
Hal: Okay then...

 

[Eddie Dean]

Yup, him or Timothy Olyphant.

 

[Jordacar]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.

Maybe I just haven't seen him in enough stuff (besides alias). I bet he'd be an excellent Guy, but something about him just doesn't quite make it for me.

 

[batbat_29640]

Nope, i'm pretty sure it's Zack.

Damn you're right. Can't believe I missed that! Yeah man that whole "Gyllenhal for Dent" rant really did mess me up. Alright I can see him as Kyle.

 

[GL1]

Bradley Cooper "the Sack" is Guy Gardener.

And BTW John Stewarts origin sucks as a first scene.

Guardian: He is our choice for the replacement.
Hal: Him...really?
Guardian: Yes.
Hal: Okay then...

Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...

Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The End-

I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.