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I have always said David Boreanaz for Hal Jordan/Green Lantern!!!
Dude, Boreanez would be AMAZING as Hal Jordan.
Milo Ventimiglia for Rayner
I have always said David Boreanaz for Hal Jordan/Green Lantern!!!
Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...
Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The End-
I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.
Actually no, that was the beginning of the issue...unless by good part you mean where they find Guy incapacitated. And so for the rest of the movie (if we go by that story) without knowing who Hal is we realize that "no you shouldn't judge by the color of skin...because anyone can be a Green Lantern so long as they have no fear".Wow... the 'leave out the good part' game...
Fixed it for you.Abin Sur: Ah, I'm dying... better send out a ring.
-The Beginning-
I'd rather have an intelligent arguement instead, if possible.
Why? Seriously, give me a reason, cuz I never get it... Borneaz? He's in the right age bracket, he can get the right look... but other than that?
Why? Seriously, give me a reason, cuz I never get it... Borneaz? He's in the right age bracket, he can get the right look... but other than that?
This whole "script/story" feels like if a guy came up to me and said "...and how do you think I feel". I'd be confused, wonder why the f*** he is saying this to me and probably get up and leave. This movie has NO logical starting point. The only reason I'm given to even give two sh**s about John is that he is a Green Lantern, apparently for some reason that is bound to escape the audience.Wow... ever feel like your posts are invisible?
John's Story:
Act I: John is a struggling architect at the end of his rope (just like in comics), intro supporting cast
Act II: John gets the ring, does some cool stuff with it, is unorthodox and overconfident, but amazingly good (just like in comics)
Act III: The ring, it's responsibility and overuse get John into tragedy (JUST like in comics) ie sister dies, loses Tawny Young, loses contract with Ferris Airfield, again, all from comics.
Act IV: John gives up the ring, gets advice and pulls himself up after hitting rock bottom and facing his responsibilities, reclaims ring.
Act V: John confronts the villain and beats him into submission... John begins his GL training with Hal Jordan. (Just like in comics)
. Why the hell does the Corp even bother with him, or even find someone else...they don't seem to have any justifiable reason for staying with him. Why the hell does he reclaim the ring, saving the world isn't HIS responsibility (like Hal's is because he HAS to stop whatever killed Abin Sur from destroying his town). But in this you don't have that problem you have Hal!!! supposedly the best GL ever, he can handle it because he doesn't even request the partner in the first place (just like in the comics).
He has no purification whatsoever...in fact it seemed his life was better off without the ring, that he in fact corrupts his life beyond recognition...congrats you've invented a masocistic superhero.This whole "script/story" feels like if a guy came up to me and said "...and how do you think I feel". I'd be confused, wonder why the f*** he is saying this to me and probably get up and leave. This movie has NO logical starting point. The only reason I'm given to even give two sh**s about John is that he is a Green Lantern, apparently for some reason that is bound to escape the audience.
And again, why is he good. Or more to the point why am I not asleep during this, because I am. "Oh, looks like John has absolutely NO trouble with his new powers...guess I can forget about that whole catharsis part of his character which is so important...can you wake me when someone dies or something?"![]()
Okay, so now his sister dies and he gives up...and then decides to TAKE the ring again. Why the hell does the Corp even bother with him, or even find someone else...they don't seem to have any justifiable reason for staying with him. Why the hell does he reclaim the ring, saving the world isn't HIS responsibility (like Hal's is because he HAS to stop whatever killed Abin Sur from destroying his town). But in this you don't have that problem you have Hal!!! supposedly the best GL ever, he can handle it because he doesn't even request the partner in the first place (just like in the comics).
In fact with Act III (by the way a movie only has three acts just an fyi) you've given John more motivation NOT to be Green Lantern and thus ended the story...boom. He was hotheaded, took on more power than he could handle, "absolute power corrupts absolutely"...so he quits, end of film (that right there is in fact, one movie).
I think what's worse is your fanboyism is blinding you to the fact that all these stories were written separately and retconned in...meaning the connection between your plot elements is very weak. Why does the ring turn out so dangerous to his person? Why does he take the ring in the first place, what reason could be strong enough for him to take it back after it destroys his life? Where the hell is his catharsis???He has no purification whatsoever...in fact it seemed his life was better off without the ring, that he in fact corrupts his life beyond recognition...congrats you've invented a masocistic superhero.
I would not be surprised if John gets a movie it will be with Hal's origin...not John's which is boring, convoluted, has no good openning scene and is perhaps the biggest snoresfest I have ever read.
ShadowBoxing said:Actually no, that was the beginning of the issue...unless by good part you mean where they find Guy incapacitated. And so for the rest of the movie (if we go by that story) without knowing who Hal is we realize that "no you shouldn't judge by the color of skin...because anyone can be a Green Lantern so long as they have no fear".
And if you don't set up who Hal is or why the hell they need more human GLs (which people are gonna have trouble getting their heads around) that part of the movie will go right over their heads.
Audience reaction to John's true origin: "So wait why is he giving the ring to that man, who the hell was Guy, why the hell do Guardians need more GLs from Earth, who the hell is Hal Jordan...and for that matter what the hell is a GL?"
ShadowBoxing said:Fixed it for you.
All stories have a logical starting point. The Transformers begins with their trip to Earth, NOT with the passing of the Matrix to Rodimus Prime. Superman begins with him crash landing on earth, NOT with him returning from death at the hands of Doomsday. Batman begins with the death of his parents. These are the motivational arcs for those characters and where those characters have been introduced. Green Lantern came to Earth because he crashed and thus we learn the thought process into what goes into picking a replacement and what a Green Lantern is. If Green Lantern's already inhabit earth (such as Hal or Guy) we don't have that since the movie assumes this hero already exists and for some unexplained reason we need another. It takes away the mystique and development that goes into Green Lantern. What the hell is the ring? what does it do? why am I the choosen one? who are these aliens? and of course with Hal we must see him use the ring to overcome his personal problems and get his life back on track. All very classic first movie elements.
Abin Sur though does a much better job of setting up this plot though. Because even though he "sends out the ring" we also get the trip back to the ship, the origin of Hal with the death of his father, we get motivation of the part of Hal for why he uses the ring for good...we get none of that with John, all we get with him is "whoops, I guess it's time to make the GLC ethnically diverse".
Perhaps you're correct that 87 is not his only origin, but it is a good illustration of why his origin is so weak. Because every retelling is based off that weak issue making a weak story. You have a sentence or two at a pitch meeting to explain why a producer should give s flying f*** about a story. In three pages I still cannot find any reason why John's actual origin is anything but a jumbled boring mess built off of an inconsequential fill in issue meant to promote ethnic diversity.We get none of that in GL #87, sure. But John DOES have an origin. John DOES have a reason for being selected. John DOES have a reason why he uses the ring. He just DOES, it just happens not to be fully explained in a single TPB.
Abin Sur is a classic origin, that' is clear. But it's classicness can also be interpreted as cliche just as easily. Furthermore, with Hal and John we get another level of conflict that Hal's origin simply cannot generate, to say nothing of John's supporting cast being a superset of Hal's (minus family) and Stewart is a bit more everyman style, and, honestly, more relatable.
All in all, the thing you don't get is: A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87. Just as a Hal Jordan movie doesn't equal Showcase #22, or even Emearald Dawn (though it would obviously borrow heavily from that, just as Batman Begins borrowed from Year One, even though it changed many MANY things).
Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.
) that Hal (and not Kyle's Parrallax) origin was used. Why? Because Hal Jordan's origin is actually not as you put it, cliche'. It makes sense, it starts at a beginning the audience can relate to and understand.Perhaps you're correct that 87 is not his only origin, but it is a good illustration of why his origin is so weak. Because every retelling is based off that weak issue making a weak story. You have a sentence or two at a pitch meeting to explain why a producer should give s flying f*** about a story. In three pages I still cannot find any reason why John's actual origin is anything but a jumbled boring mess built off of an inconsequential fill in issue meant to promote ethnic diversity.
Unfortunately you have little grasp of how to introduce a character or use a character. I know this not just because of your insistence that John's origin is a good launchpad, but also that unnecessary and confusing elements like Hal's place in the story, Alan Scott, all a large and emense supporting cast need to be included. The main rule of writing a good story is KISS, "Keep it simple, stupid".
It's probably no coincidence that when Superman decided to use the (far more popular at the time) hispanic Latern, Kyle Rayner (who has in no way a hispanic name) that Hal (and not Kyle's Parrallax) origin was used. Why? Because Hal Jordan's origin is actually not as you put it, cliche'. It makes sense, it starts at a beginning the audience can relate to and understand.
You say Hal's exploits would not need to be known to John, or as you put it "how many times would he have been on the news: as many as the writer said". The thing about writing, speech writing, essays (which I do), short stories is the writing doesn't get to do whatever he wants. He has to make the story make sense and be as logically tight as possible. If not you get a bad product.
Your story sounds remarkably similar to a movie I was just loaned. Vampire Hunter D (1985). It's an anime, and my friend who is into anime loaned this piece of crap to me. It starts pretty much in the middle and the motivations and reasons for the characters are not set down, it has a boring start that in no way sucks me into the story (kinda like yours).
What sounds more interesting a movie to you. A ship mysteriously crashing to earth and the pilot with his dying breath summoning an ex-fighter pilot alcoholic to carry it's ring and be the world's savior...and this person not knowing why or how to use his newfound responsibility. Or some guy getting a ring because Hal (who according to your story is hardly established) needs a new partner and then that guy becoming a superhero by default. I go with the former. Good openner (Act I): ship crashes to earth (Hal's father dying serves as an excellent parrallel to this scene). Hal gets a ring and starts messing around with it, his actions further re-assuring the audience he was an "odd" choice. Act II: Perhaps he goes up into space with the CORP, they train him and he seems a might rusty to say the least...he also is a bit of an upstart. His teacher Sinestro also seems less than trustworthy. Act III: He goes back home only to begin to see that Sinestro was the one who caused the crash. They have a battle after Sinestro attacks Coast City. The Guardians appoint Hal the sole protector of Earth.
There could be a distinct possibility you'd replace Hal with "John" or "Kyle" or as they would have, "Bluto - Jack Black"...who had a remarkably similar tale as well. Why, because it makes sense. It brings in the characters in a meaningful and revealable way...unlike yours which would require the viewer to have lived and known about the GLs beforehand.
Unless you want this in there.
John "Who are you"
Hal "What the hell do you mean who am I? Has your head been in the sand or something, I'm the Green Lantern of Earth...I saved it from Legion and the Manhunter invasion, don't you even have a TV".
Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.
Again, the simple truth "A John Stewart movie DOES NOT EQUAL GL Vol 2 #87" invalidates your entire arguement, perhaps your entire point of view.

hi i'm new n these are my casting choices:-
Hal Jordan - Eric Bana / Ben Browder
For me , Hal is just classic so he's gotta look heroic and fearless. He has to be a man of great will and determination and for me both Eric Bana and Ben Browder have the right look and can nail that down. Ben for his work in Farscape gets my nod and Bana for his work in Black Hawk Down and Troy.
A Hal origin movie would be a banging start to the GL franchise n in my opinion, it just makes complete sense to introduce the greatest GL of all first to new viewers who have little to no idea what Green Lantern is.Hal has got to look like he was born to be a hero whose very eyes show no fear for whatever lies ahead.
My vote goes to either Bana or Browder for Hal.
Kyle Rayner - Jesse Bradford
Kyle is the everyguy. He's the average joe who lucked into getting a ring so he has to be likable and he's gotta have a sense of humor, that and a whole lotta heart cos bein a hero is new to him. He soon finds out that he has to rise to the challenge and much to his surprise he discovers that he can. Kyle shows us what we can be if we try hard enough. That we are good enough if we just believe. When he goes up against Parallax (Hal) it's all about heart so it's very important that Kyle has that.
I wanted someone we can root for, someone the audience will generally want to get behind. My previous pick was Wes Bently but I found Jesse Bradford (Bring it on , Swimfan) to be a lot better suited n likable n from what I've seen of Wes which admittedly isn't much, he's prone to the broody moody dark spectrum. However Wes Bentley could be an inspired choice so i guess it depends. Kyle starts off awkward, confused n generally out of his depth before stepping up to the plate and making his home run.
For me Jesse is that guy.
John Stewart - Henry Simmons/ Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson
John is unique and brings a certain amount of integrity and character to the Corp. He's definitely capable and always reliable. You could always trust him to back you up. No-nonsense is how John should be. He stands up for what he believes n makes his presence known.
Forget his lame intro and focus on why he was chosen and that is where you find his 'story' ( so to speak) Where Hal is all about will n determination, and Kyle is about faith n self-belief, John is about strength and preserverance. John is about dignity and the actor who plays him has to bring that to the table in a straightforward kick ass manner.
Henry Simmons (Nypd Blue) has that working class manner as a cop that's perfect while The Rock knows how to bring it all Smack down to add that extra kick for John ( Gridiron gang, Walking Tall).
You have to have John stewart stand on his own and that's how you make him Hal Jordan's equal n partner.
Sinestro - Jason Isaacs
Sinestro has to be more than a match for Hal Jordan n Jason Isaacs ( the patriot) has the right mix of menacing n panache to pull it off. The superior attitude , the evil seething sneer. Without question, Jason Isaacs is absolutely perfect for Sinestro.
Guy Gardner - Sean William Scott/ Denis Leary
Guy is vain, rude, brash, totally obnoxious but no pushover. One thing Guy cannot be is a total joke. No matter how much you hate him , Guy defintely has what i takes. I thought Denis Leary would be a shoo in if he were just a bit younger so Sean ( american pie, the rundown) has an advantage on that. I thought Guy would be the guy who'd love the sound of his own voice so maybe Bruce Campbell might be wonderful on that note.
Of course push comes to shove, Guy would definitely be more than happy to prove himself and I think Sean Willian Scott most defintely will as The Corps' most reckless member Guy Gardner.
Dude, Boreanez would be AMAZING as Hal Jordan.
Milo Ventimiglia for Rayner
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