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Hal Jordan was and is now the star of a comic book series for just as long....tenure has nothing to do with it....

Tenure proves he has a strong enough character and mythos to sustain stories by himself.

Hal having his own comic now is irrelevant. He's proven himself as a character for a film decades ago before Johns' revived him.

that's the problem with you Rayner fans, you claim your bias as fact and won't admit otherwise....

The only fact I mentioned was that Kyle could succeed as a star in a comic series therefore it would translate into films where he'd be the lead.

Why would you consider such facts to be bias or opinion? Hal did the same thing.
 
Even as a Hal fan myself, I have to say I detect a smug, snotty attitude from Hal's supporters towards Kyle and his fans on this thread, the kind of attitude that only serves to aggrivate the antagonism between the two factions of fans.

It seems like there's this mutual resentment between the two groups: Hal fans resent Kyle for being shoved down their throats while their favorite was devalued and forced out of the spotlight, and vice versa for the Kyle fans. It's a shame there has to be so much conflict over it. Both are good characters, and each have their strengths and individual qualities, and recent years have shown that both can co-exist quite peacefully in the DC Universe. Yet the arguments over who's better seem to get so heated and personal for some reason.

As for Kyle on film, though? I don't know. I see Kyle as being somewhat like Nightwing, in that while he's a perfectly good, filmworthy character, you need to go through so much comics history to get to him that he only becomes viable as a film character way down the line in the franchise.
 
As for Kyle on film, though? I don't know. I see Kyle as being somewhat like Nightwing, in that while he's a perfectly good, filmworthy character, you need to go through so much comics history to get to him that he only becomes viable as a film character way down the line in the franchise.

The reason I'm saying Kyle should saved for a separate trilogy is to make him more viable.

Once Hal establishes the mythos in his trilogy it'll be much easier for Kyle to come in. The ground work has been laid for the public with that.

With that completed all they'd need to do is have Kyle's first film start a few years after Hal's last, briefly mention or reveal key moments of Hal going rogue or the GL Corps being annihilated by a mysterious enemy in the prologue then start Kyle's story on Earth. His introduction is pretty easy since its the usual hero's journey as seen in Spider-man. It practically writes itself.
 
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...because IMO he's the 'Brand New Day' of DC Comics, he was change for the sake of change, it worked for a while, but when it was realized that the character didn't have any longevity, they bought back the proper Green Lantern....he's an OK character, but he isn't the guy....
 
...because IMO he's the 'Brand New Day' of DC Comics, he was change for the sake of change, it worked for a while,

Yes, it worked.

Its a faction within the GL mythos which could succeed in film. It wouldn't be impossible to make it work in film or tv.

but when it was realized that the character didn't have any longevity,

The character remained relevant for a decade without any cartoon exposure. Not sure if he got any merchandise.

That's impressive in itself IMO.

they bought back the proper Green Lantern....

In your opinion.

he's an OK character, but he isn't the guy....

To you.

He could appeal to a whole generation in film just as easily as Hal could.
 
when he joined the League, there was a figure released in a box set with the current JL lineup...I don't know if any other figures were released
 
Fourteen years later and he's still a DC Comics regular. That's not longevity?

It's pretty hilarious watching you stumble around taking these wild swings at Kyle Rayner--and all for no reason, and all baseless, to boot. His existence isn't a slight to Hal Jordan. Kyle Rayner being a valuable character doesn't make Jordan any less valuable. And this "Oh, DC realized he was so lame," crap is a load. Hal Jordan got canned more than once himself, so what's the difference?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this turned into a Hal vs. Kyle thing. People on the Hype show an alarming inability to appreciate more than one thing at a time. "We like Nolan, so Burton must suck! We like Hal Jordan, so Kyle must suck!" and so on.
 
I don't know why there is even an argument about kyle being the GL. The change happend in the 90's which says it all. Hal is green latern and obviously they went back to him. I'm also not interested in seeing hal become parallax and have other lanterns take over in the film, I hope they avoid that because there are better stories to be told.

I would say this is different than the wally/barry argument because at least barry sacrificed himself and most thought it was a good story. Even then , people dislike barry's character as being a goodie two shoes but he really hasnt had a moderen series to truly say that he is awful character.
 
Fourteen years later and he's still a DC Comics regular. That's not longevity?

It's pretty hilarious watching you stumble around taking these wild swings at Kyle Rayner--and all for no reason, and all baseless, to boot. His existence isn't a slight to Hal Jordan. Kyle Rayner being a valuable character doesn't make Jordan any less valuable. And this "Oh, DC realized he was so lame," crap is a load. Hal Jordan got canned more than once himself, so what's the difference?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this turned into a Hal vs. Kyle thing. People on the Hype show an alarming inability to appreciate more than one thing at a time. "We like Nolan, so Burton must suck! We like Hal Jordan, so Kyle must suck!" and so on.

IMO...it does...but only a little....
 
Rayner's earned his place in the DC Universe and the GL Corps, as much as any GL ever has. Why that's even being debated is beyond me.

I do not agree, obviously.

Because...
 
Because...
Is that something I need to qualify? My post was fairly straightforward: I find Kyle's story, as I described, as being of comparable interest to Jordan's. That said, certainly Kyle was less interesting when he began his career as Green Lantern. Jordan's story relies heavily on where he came from before the ring, where that period is mostly irrelevant for Kyle. That probably hurt him in his early days.
 
Back to the whole "casting" thing this threads about...

I totally see Berlanti picking and choosing from his shows running right now. I doubt Johnny Lee Miller would get picked for anything other than a small role because he's the star of Eli Stone thus his schedule is not as open. Sam Jaeger however is only a supporting character who can "go on a business trip" for a couple months.

I also see Matt Letscher (Eli's Brother) maybe being Hal's little brother or if Berlanti really likes the guy (as I do) he could posssssssssibly do Guy Gardner.

Oh and Victor Garber IS going to be Carl Ferris NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
That reminds me: what is Hal's background in the film? Airforce? I always thought he should have a more military-oriented sensibility in his ring constructs. His background affects what he makes, as it does with any of them. Everyone makes constructs that suit their knowledge and how they think. Geoff Johns has Jordan throwing jets at people, for example. Makes sense. Jordan, though, sometimes seems somewhat disinclined to make interesting constructs. He's a straightforward guy, he makes straightforward stuff. As an example, in Rebirth we see the Lanterns attack Parallax, each with a unique approach. Gardner, not surprisingly, uses a crude buzzsaw. John builds very technical stuff from the inside out. Jordan, though, just fires a beam.

Part of Kyle's appeal is that he brings a more creative flair and creates inventive constructs (that is, ones that aren't based on existing items, but rather imaginary ones). I also like Stewart for his very technical and functional constructs. I think a good niche for Jordan, as I said above, would be military-oriented, bringing that sort of sensibility to the weapons, equipment, or protection he generates with the ring.
 
Is that something I need to qualify? My post was fairly straightforward: I find Kyle's story, as I described, as being of comparable interest to Jordan's. That said, certainly Kyle was less interesting when he began his career as Green Lantern. Jordan's story relies heavily on where he came from before the ring, where that period is mostly irrelevant for Kyle. That probably hurt him in his early days.

See, this is what I meant. Kyle's story as a WHOLE is very interesting. His background? Not so much. Thanks for clarifying.

That reminds me: what is Hal's background in the film? Airforce?

Test pilot. They never really go into where he "came from" (Booo!)
 
Jordan was in the Air Force for a short time and left the service to become a test pilot, like his father....His father was a pilot for Ferris Aircraft as well...
 
I know what his background in the comics is. I was asking about the film.
 
...because IMO he's the 'Brand New Day' of DC Comics, he was change for the sake of change, it worked for a while, but when it was realized that the character didn't have any longevity, they bought back the proper Green Lantern....he's an OK character, but he isn't the guy....

WRONG

Kyle has proven countless times that he's a legendary GL, even more so than Hal .
 
Might have been nice to make Hal a naval pilot. They could have made John a marine and then they met that way.

Just a thought.


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WRONG

Kyle has proven countless times that he's a legendary GL, even more so than Hal .

if he's so legendary...the monthly 'Green Lantern' would be about him...but it's not...he is the semi lead of GLC and now is a border guard of the Multiverse....
 
if he's so legendary...the monthly 'Green Lantern' would be about him...but it's not...he is the semi lead of GLC and now is a border guard of the Multiverse....

And if he was so universally-hated and as much of a total failure as you make him out to be, then surely DC would have killed him off at the first possible chance rather than keeping him in the loop... but they didn't, and so he remains a consistently appearing character in a high-quality monthly title.
 
And in any case, him not starring in the main title is not indicative of quality--in the same way the Hal Jordan getting the boot fourteen years ago was not indicative of his quality. Everything is about sales, and sales aren't necessarily about quality (quality titles sell low and get canceled all the time). Kyle will have his own title again when DC thinks they can make it work.
 
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I disagree that everything is about sales.

Blade hasn't been a hit on the direct market but his concept was good enough to work in film.
 
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