Iron Man 3 Official Iron Man 3 rate/review thread. - Part 1

[Incredible Hans]

I'm getting tired of "Mandarin like he is in the comics would have been racist".

Yes, Mandarin has racist origins. But the comics changed since then.

To make it clear, this was racist:

But this wasn't:

 

[Tony Stark]

6/10
I came into this with pretty high expectations from all the positive things I've been hearing and I was severely disappointed. I understand this was Tony's story but does that mean that we get absolutely no character development for any of the othe characters and yet another cheap throwaway villain?

The action scenes don't even make up for it because they we're too quick and not at all impressive. I guess Marvel said "hey guys lets use some of our awesome characters for this movie and waste their potential". Why even have Rhodes if your not going to even use him for the second film in a row. The twist could've been handled a lot better if not taken as a joke and absolutely wasted Kingsley's potential.

The "extremis" felt like a very generic disease that was not explained at all nor was Guy Pearce's characters motivation aside from a quick shoehorned in scene in the beginning of the film.

Um you did actually see the movie, didn't you? I don't know if you got up to go to the bathroom or something, but that was in there.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I saw absolutely no difference in Pepper or Rhodes from the beginning to the end of the film. Believe me I did want Tony to have great development and it's most important but everything else felt very tacked on. They could of had the same focus on Stark and at least of fleshed out the villain but yet that did not happen at all.

I don't know, I still believe especially Pepper had a very strong change in terms of a character in a movie series. She finally learned to understand the importance of the Iron Man persona for Tony, something, she didn't seem to fully grasp in both IM and IM2 and in the end she accepted it. Sure, she never announced ' Now I accept that blah blah...expositional monologue', but it was right there. Rhodey was more subtle because it wasn't a character change per se, more a transition of how that character was used before and at the end and he basically filled a spot that was left open by others.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm still taking it all in right now. Let me just say this, if this is indeed the last RDJ movie with Iron Man, then he went out with a bang. I am still evaluating my reaction, as to where this ranks. Let me just say that if this isn't better than the first Iron Man, it's right there with it. People talk about comic book movies coming to life on screen, well if you were an Iron Man fan, this is it.

This was the best third installment of a Superhero movie by far. The story was cohesive and everything tied together well. A big upgrade for Cheadle, and now you see why he was selected over Howard. There's no question right now who is the better Rhodey of the two.

Shane Black did a tremendous job of keeping the mythos, but putting his own stroke on the film. I hope this will spawn him to direct more films. Lethal Weapon was one of my all time favorite franchises, and he doesn't disappoint here.

9.5/10 for me

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Question: What new scientific procedure allowed Tony to have the fragments removed from his heart at the end? Did he just not want them taken out before now or did forceps not exist in the Marvel movie-verse until recently.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Um you did actually see the movie, didn't you? I don't know if you got up to go to the bathroom or something, but that was in there.

Do I sense sarchasm? Aside from the shoehorned scene in the beginning how was Pearce's character developed please explain?

 

[Tony Stark]

I agree. The IM3 trilogy is not exactly a trilogy. It doesn't work well on it's own.

What the hell does that mean? This film if anything is a transition to something new. It's not a total closure, but there's resolution here, that if RDJ and Gwyneth do not resign it's a farewell to them. No it's not a trilogy in the strict sense of the word and neither is TDK

TDK has a forced trilogy. He becomes Batman faces the Joker quits for 8 years, comes back and fakes his death. It's a trilogy in that it's 3 movies, but it's not a trilogy in the same way the original Star Wars Trilogy was or The Lord of the Rings, where there's a first second and third act.

 

[That Guy]

I saw this last night and loved it. It is my favorite out of the three iron man films. my only minor complaint is that at times I felt that the humor was a bit much. While the other two had tons of comedy, they knew when it was time to be serious. Regarding the Mandarin.

Spoiler

I was okay with the twist. The friends I saw it with last night hated it though, and im beginning to worry that people are going to dwell on that instead of the actual movie. Even if you hated the twist that does not mean it ruins the rest of the movie. Plus Killian ended up being such a badass villian that in my opinion he more than made up for it. The only problem is that it does destroy any potential that was set up from the first movie with the ten rings and all.

9/10

 

[Tony Stark]

Do I sense sarchasm? Aside from the shoehorned scene in the beginning how was Pearce's character developed please explain?

The Extremis stuff was explained. If there was a perceived lack of character development it was not to let the cat out of the bag. I liked the flashback scene, and it wasn't shoehorned in the beginning, and having Yinsen there was a nice tie in to the whole story arc of Tony.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

It was deleted because 95% of it was Batman discussion.

Aah... my bad.

 

[Flemm]

I'm getting tired of "Mandarin like he is in the comics would have been racist".

I think it's generally understood that it might have been possible to do the Mandarin in a more straight-forward way while avoiding the racist caricature the character originally was in the comics.

Instead what they did was recognize the racist/xenophobic element and use it in an interesting way.

Which I personally think was a good choice.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I think it's generally understood that it might have been possible to do the Mandarin in a more straight-forward way while avoiding the racist caricature the character originally was in the comics.

Instead what they did was recognize the racist/xenophobic element and use it in an interesting way.

Which I personally think was a good choice.

This

 

[Incredible Hans]

I think it's generally understood that it might have been possible to do the Mandarin in a more straight-forward way while avoiding the racist caricature the character originally was in the comics.

Instead what they did was recognize the racist/xenophobic element and use it in an interesting way.

Sorry, I don't get it. Ben Kingsley's look contained some very stereotypical elements, but nothing racist.

The Bin Laden beard? Bin Laden was a terrorist and really had such a beard. It doesn't make fun of a race, but of Bin Laden. A Bin Laden beard is not any more racist than a Hitler moustache.

A chinese robe? Samurai haircut? Captain America tatto? They are all iconic elements from different cultures and maybe stereotypical - but racist???

 

[Tony Stark]

I think it's generally understood that it might have been possible to do the Mandarin in a more straight-forward way while avoiding the racist caricature the character originally was in the comics.

Instead what they did was recognize the racist/xenophobic element and use it in an interesting way.

Which I personally think was a good choice.

Yeah this is what even caught me. I knew about the ending, but what I didn't expect is how well it was used and why it worked so well, and it's exactly for the reason that you're talking about.

I can't say this without totally giving it away so:

Spoiler

It would be like if we found out all the 9/11 conspiracy theorists were correct and Osama Bin Laden was a puppet that our government setup.

 

[tay1]

I saw the movie and thought it was great. I didn't like IM1 as much as the majority of others did so this was my favorite one. I'd give it a 4 / 5. The only two things I didn't like we're:

1. The adaption of the Extremis storyline.

2. The Mandarin twist. I'm not gonna complain and ***** about it like most people, but it wasn't good. We'll see him in a future Iron Man movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Sorry, I don't get it. Ben Kingsley's look contained some very stereotypical elements, but nothing racist.

The Bin Laden beard? Bin Laden was a terrorist and really had such a beard. It doesn't make fun of a race, but of Bin Laden. A Bin Laden beard is not any more racist than a Hitler moustache.

A chinese robe? Samurai haircut? Captain America tatto? They are all iconic elements from different cultures and maybe stereotypical - but racist???

He used the term Xenophobic, that's probably more accurate. Come on dude you can't deny that many peace loving American Muslims have been discriminated against because of the outrage against radical Islamic terrorists.

 

[darkslayer101]

actually I did, yes. For Rhodey, for Pepper...even Happy has a small arch on his own. Of course they are not the titular character and the emphasis is still on Tony, it is Tony's story after all...well about 70% of it, the rest is probably Killians story, but all of the cast had development... just not the on the nose, over the top character development one might get in other movies.

This, even the kid was great. Killian had more character development than Stane or Vanko.

I saw absolutely no difference in Pepper or Rhodes from the beginning to the end of the film. Believe me I did want Tony to have great development and it's most important but everything else felt very tacked on. They could of had the same focus on Stark and at least of fleshed out the villain but yet that did not happen at all.

I think you just described the problem with IM2, where the focus was only on Stark. Thought IM3 did a great job.

I'm getting tired of "Mandarin like he is in the comics would have been racist".

Yes, Mandarin has racist origins. But the comics changed since then.

To make it clear, this was racist:


But this wasn't:

That reminds me a lot of Killian

Um you did actually see the movie, didn't you? I don't know if you got up to go to the bathroom or something, but that was in there.

I am curious, since his thoughts are the first i hear off in complaints of the movie.

Question: What new scientific procedure allowed Tony to have the fragments removed from his heart at the end? Did he just not want them taken out before now or did forceps not exist in the Marvel movie-verse until recently.

They should have added an extra line or something, but in extremis comic and Dr.Wu's tech is used to remove the shrapnel. The tech did not exist before.

Do I sense sarchasm? Aside from the shoehorned scene in the beginning how was Pearce's character developed please explain?

Shoehorned? ok I am done here....

 

[JerseyJoker]

Shane Black talks about the reasoning of changing Mandarian in my deleted scenes thread, saying that it was done from the beginning to have this type of twist in the film and do something different.

 

[Incredible Hans]

He used the term Xenophobic, that's probably more accurate. Come on dude you can't deny that many peace loving American Muslims have been discriminated against because of the outrage against radical Islamic terrorists.

Which still doesn't make it wrong to make a caricature of one of those "radical Islamic terrorists".

Using Bin Laden-like elements isn't anti-Muslim, as using Hitler-like elements isn't anti-German.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

They should have added an extra line or something, but in extremis comic and Dr.Wu's tech is used to remove the shrapnel. The tech did not exist before.

Ah, thanks

This would have been nice to know during the movie. Guess Tony arguing with pre-teens was more important.

 

[peterparker0077]

I still don't know how I feel about the movie.. saw it last night...

I do have some questions though:

1)The 10 rings was a very real terror group in IM1, .... so what ever happened to it? They were not all killed, the leader we saw we know was alive at the end of the film. ... why would Killian use the 10 rings logos and such? Was there really a connection? It seems not, but I was hoping they would finish that story left over from IM1

2) Where was shield? I understand this was Tony's story, but with the president being attacked, the new super powered people, that should of brought shield into the fray right away. They could find Loki in Avengers with in minutes, but they couldn't and didn't get involved when the Mandarin was hacking into all the US's airwaves? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'm hoping it might be explained in the Cap movie why Shield was not present here.

I think it would have added to story, and future avenger stories, if Tony actually had actually tried to contact shield, but they were unable or unwilling to help for some reason. That would put an even further rift between Tony and Shield and maybe give Tony a better reason to Assemble the Avengers aside from, and maybe inspite of, shield.

3) My wife actually pointed this one out... [BLACKOUT]why didn't Pepper's hair burn off when she was dropped into the flames? lol [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Tony Stark]

Which still doesn't make it wrong to make a caricature of one of those "radical Islamic terrorists".

Using Bin Laden-like elements isn't anti-Muslim, as using Hitler-like elements isn't anti-German.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

So i went to the midnight viewing last night, should of went a littler later I was thinking there would be a line starting at 9 but they ended up having an additional 4 shows before the midnight release.

I've actually never heard of that situation before, my friend ended up staying there on line while I got food for us and we pretty much had dinner on the floor of the theater lol

I ended up scoring 2 additional IMAX posters, because the guy ended up thinking I never got one and neither did my "friend" lol

about the movie itself, I thought it **** on IM2, I never really knew about Mandarin except for the 90's cartoon so the whole [BLACKOUT]twist[/BLACKOUT] really didn't make or break the film for me. I thought Kingsley's performance was excellent before and after the [BLACKOUT]twist[/BLACKOUT]. I also loved Guy Pearce's performance as well. I also loved the new suits as well, and the big reveal at the end made me really question at the end of the movie how this affects Phase 2.
I'd give it an 9/10 only because we never got to see War Machine 2.0 lol

I can't wait what Marvel has in store for us for Guardians, Thor, and Cap.

 

[darkslayer101]

I still don't know how I feel about the movie.. saw it last night...

I do have some questions though:

1)The 10 rings was a very real terror group in IM1, .... so what ever happened to it? They were not all killed, the leader we saw we know was alive at the end of the film. ... why would Killian use the 10 rings logos and such? Was there really a connection? It seems not, but I was hoping they would finish that story left over from IM1

2) Where was shield? I understand this was Tony's story, but with the president being attacked, the new super powered people, that should of brought shield into the fray right away. They could find Loki in Avengers with in minutes, but they couldn't and didn't get involved when the Mandarin was hacking into all the US's airwaves? Just doesn't make sense to me. I'm hoping it might be explained in the Cap movie why Shield was not present here.

I think it would have added to story, and future avenger stories, if Tony actually had actually tried to contact shield, but they were unable or unwilling to help for some reason. That would put an even further rift between Tony and Shield and maybe give Tony a better reason to Assemble the Avengers aside from, and maybe inspite of, shield.

3) My wife actually pointed this one out... [BLACKOUT]why didn't Pepper's hair burn off when she was dropped into the flames? lol [/BLACKOUT]

1) yes they could have delved in more about the 10 rings and i think this kinda matches up with the plot twist.
2)Didn't Loki make himself easy to find, and that even took 24hrs. Also the president was missing for just a few hours.
3) We have limbs being regenerated, and now we are questioning hairs?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Shane Black talks about the reasoning of changing Mandarian in my deleted scenes thread, saying that it was done from the beginning to have this type of twist in the film and do something different.

Yup. Used to be everyone complained that Marvel films play it too safe and never take any risks or try to be original.

So they give that a try and now everyone's upset that they didn't stick to the source material more.

Can't win.