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NEW MUTANTS #17
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by LEONARD KIRK
Cover by DAVE WILKINS
Super Hero Squad Variant also available
“FALL OF THE NEW MUTANTS”
Project Purgatory has captured [CENSORED] and the New Mutants are on their way to get it back. If only the New Mutants knew that Project Purgatory has a 10 mutant kill-team waiting for them. Who is this kill team and where did they come from? The answer will take you all the way back to a classic X-Men crossover! The New Mutants will never be the same, thanks to Zeb Wells (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) and Leonard Kirk (DARK X-MEN, CAPTAIN BRITAIN & MI 13)! Part 3 (of 5)
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
 
Crazy, I must have gotten a variant/defective version of New Mutants today. Cuz in the one I bought, Colossus got his arm broken(again see: WWH). But that would be ridiculous.
 
Crazy, I must have gotten a variant/defective version of New Mutants today. Cuz in the one I bought, Colossus got his arm broken(again see: WWH). But that would be ridiculous.
yeah i almost lost it for a sec first nightcrawler now they want to mess with pete...question is is he like a tootsie pop hard on the outside squishy stuff in? Or what I always thought layers and layers of organic steel? i thought they'd have to pull his arm out like a Ken doll cuz steel's not supposed to break..
 
Yeah, he actually looked hollow where his metal skin broke. I assumed there was blood, organs, etc under the steel. But I assume it's all up to the artist. I'm just pissed it happened in the first place. If the Nimrods are that strong(physically), things are worse than I thought. Irks me that Namor is 1-shot KO'ing these things, but they break Pete's arm :whatever:

At this point, Hope's got to have some sort of time warping powers. It's the only way I can see this being set right. It's a cheap fix, but ****'s gettin' ridiculous.
 
In his armored form Colossus doesnt need to eat or breathe and he is immune to all forms of psychic attacks. So maybe he doesnt have any internal organs (lungs, stomach, or even a flesh brain).
 
I gasped when the Nimrods said they were going to "dismantle" him now that his skin was breached.
 
Yay, Hope is finally doing something! Kick some ass, baby. Kick some ass or don't bother coming home.

Nevermind. B**** still ain't done s*** yet. I should've known that any scenes of Hope & Rogue fighting would've been reserved for Legacy.

So that's Kurt dead and Pete badly injured. Place your bets, folks. Which of the remaining All-New, All-Different X-Men will be removed from the fight next? Storm? Wolverine? And just where the hell has Sunfire been since Messiah Complex?

Well done, Zeb Wells. After this issue, there is absolutely no excuse for not using Legion in the future.

Also, could this (finally) be the end of Toad?
 
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Marvel is proud to present your first look at Fall of the New Mutants starting in New Mutants #15, from acclaimed writer Zeb Wells and fan-favorite artist Leonard Kirk! After the events of Second Coming, the New Mutants are regrouping and healing when disaster strikes yet again! While the New Mutants try and put themselves back together, a secret military group is looking for Illyana Rasputin and they won’t let the New Mutants stand in their way!

NEW MUTANTS #15 (MAY100643)
NEW MUTANTS #15 ADAMS VARIANT (MAY108046)
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by LEONARD KIRK
Cover by DAVE WILKINS
Variant Cover by ARTHUR ADAMS
Rated T+ …$2.99
FOC – 7/1/10, On-Sale – 7/21/10
 
Ha an artist who finally remembers what Cannonball looks like! I like this version better than the A&F model he has become of late.
 
Do Sam and Dani have a thing going on?
 
Ha an artist who finally remembers what Cannonball looks like! I like this version better than the A&F model he has become of late.
Aside from the haircut, he looks the same to me. He hasjnt had his hair cut like that in over 20 years, going back to the original NM days

Do Sam and Dani have a thing going on?
I think it must be some deram sequence or alternate future. They've never been attracted to each other and seeing them together seems odd
 
again back in the original NM days. He hasnt been consistently drawn like that in over 20 years. He grew up and its not uncommon for people to grow into their features. Teenagers that are skinny as kids tend to bulk up when they become men after the intensive training, working out and life style he's lived. That also isnt odd
 
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Ok fair point its just I like the idea of a scrawy kid with sticky out ears have the potential to lead the X-Men instead of a guy who looks like a model. I liked him when I first saw the pictures of him 20 years ago on the website he looked more real, someone readers could connect with.
 
Cannonball looks aweful, but oh well. Guess he was always supposed to. When is Dani going to get her powers back?
 
Not anytime soon, I hope. The fact that she doesn't have her powers and is still willing to get in the thick of any fight just proves how bad ass she is, and this is coming from someone who initially didn't like her. Cannonball does look a bit weird, but I suppose they're just going back to the characters original design.
 
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NEW MUTANTS #15


STORY BY Zeb Wells
ART BY Leonard Kirk
COLORS BY Guru-eFX
LETTERS BY VC - Joe Caramagna
COVER BY Dave Wilkins
PUBLISHER: Marvel Comics
COVER PRICE: $2.99
RELEASE DATE: Wed, July 21st, 2010

“FALL OF THE NEW MUTANTS”

LEONARD KIRK JOINS THE NEW MUTANTS! Fan-favorite artist Leonard Kirk (DARK X-MEN, CAPTAIN BRITAIN & MI-13) becomes the regular NEW MUTANTS artist this issue! Coming out of SECOND COMING, the New Mutants who are still left are licking their wounds on a forced R & R trip. While they try and put themselves back together, others are looking to take them apart. The strange secretive military group we met in NEW MUTANTS #09 has an agenda involving Illyana Rasputin. And they don’t want to give her a medal.
 
As the title implies, “Fall of the Mutants” means nothing but bad news for the X-Men and their extended family. The original storyline shook up Marvel’s X-Men titles in a big way back in 1988, and was an especially traumatic experience for the New Mutants, with Doug Ramsey dying at the hands of Ani-Mator.

He’s since been resurrected, but the title of the upcoming New Mutants arc, “Fall of the New Mutants,” is still enough to merit concern over the fate of Doug, Cannonball, Sunspot, Magma, and the rest of the New Mutants crew. And as series writer Zeb Wells tells it, that concern is absolutely justified.

Starting in this week’s New Mutants #15 and spanning five issues, “Fall of the New Mutants” is the latest full-scale threat facing the team, who just survived the one-two punch of Selene’s horde of resurrected mutants in Necrosha and near-extinction in Second Coming. Specific details on the story arc remain sparse, so we contacted Wells for more information on the “Fall,” working with new series artist Leonard Kirk and if he’ll ever return to his “I Was A Teenage Frog-Man” roots.


Newsarama: Since we still don’t know much about Fall of the New Mutants yet, I’ll be pretty blunt here: what can you share that we don’t know yet? Specifically, it’s been stated that the threat starts with Illyana, but how does it go from that to a challenge for the team as a whole?

Zeb Wells: Illyana came back in New Mutants #1 for a reason, and that reason was to gather an army to deal with the threat that we meet in this arc. Unfortunately for the rest of the team, even she's not fully prepared for what's coming after them.

Nrama: In a year, the New Mutants have gone through Necrosha, Second Coming and now this. Tough times for them. Has this constant upheaval always been planned to be a part of the book? There hasn’t really been much of a “status quo” for the team.

Wells: I can't say this was planned, but I do think it's important for an X-book to play well with the other titles in the line. The last thing I wanted to do was write a New Mutants book that didn't matter in the larger scheme of things, or operated in its own world. I wanted to show these characters as X-Men, and that means participating in the larger X-Men adventures.

That said, I thought Fall of the New Mutants would be my second arc, so you have to be fluid. I've really enjoyed working with Nick to navigate what we're trying to do with the larger scheme of things. The crossovers brought in a bunch of ideas I wouldn't have thought of myself.

Nrama: Is “Fall of the New Mutants” related to the original Fall of the Mutants strictly thematically (y’know, the falling and all that) or is there perhaps a little more of a tangible connection? Obviously Doug Ramsey doesn’t have a great track record with this types of story.

Wells: Yeah, it's more of a thematic thing in that the New Mutants are going to be up against a team of mutants from their past, and it's going to be a brutal battle. If you like any of these characters you probably shouldn't read this arc. It's going to get rough.

Nrama: This story falls post-Second Coming, but it seems based on solicitation info that it picks up more from story threads in earlier issues of New Mutants than Second Coming directly. Is this accurate, or does the end of Second Coming greatly inform the lead-in to "Fall of the New Mutants"?

Wells: Definitely both. This will pick up directly after Second Coming, but happenings from earlier issues quickly take center stage.

Nrama: This is Leonard Kirk’s debut on the book — how has working with him been thus far?

Wells: Leonard is an inspiring artist. He's taken ideas for characters and locations and breathed life into them. He's almost like a co-writer because his character designs help me hear voices in my head.

Nrama: Zeb, you originally distinguished yourself at Marvel for comedic work — I’m sure you hear it all the time, but the Frog Man story in Tangled Web and 2-parter with Jim Mahfood [Peter Parker: Spider-Man #42-43] both pretty much changed my life when I read them back when they came out. But recently your work has been pretty serious, and in the case of “Shed” over in Amazing Spider-Man, positively bleak. Is this simply a reflection of your evolution as a writer, or is there any chance you might go back to lighter territory at some point?

Wells: Thanks for saying that, man. When I get assigned a book I try to ask myself what kind of story the character (and the artist's art) is trying to tell . With "Shed" I asked myself what the Lizard as a character may have been lacking, and I guess I didn't think the answer was "jokes." But I do admit I've gravitated towards more serious stories lately. I was actually very inspired by Joe Kelly's Hammerhead arc in Amazing Spider-Man. It was funny, scary, and touching at the same time. Hopefully I can get better at doing all three.
 
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NEW MUTANTS #18
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by LEONARD KIRK
Cover by DAVE WILKINS
“FALL OF THE NEW MUTANTS”
If there are “No More Mutants” who are the mysterious folks who are ripping the New Mutants apart? All we know is they’re part of Project Purgatory and far more deadly than anything the New Mutants have had to face before. Do not miss the “FALL” brought to you by Zeb Wells (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) and Leonard Kirk (DARK X-MEN). Part 4 (of 5).
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
 
I hate this connection between Illyana and Pixie, cuz it's forcing itself into this book something serious. They can both go die in Limbo and let the book be about the New Mutants I like.
 
Everyone refers to summer as a carefree, relaxing time of the year - well, everyone's wrong. These past two weeks alone, Marvel Comics' X-writers have been swamped with San Diego Comic-Con International and an X-retreat to discuss Marvel's mutant adventures for the year (hence the two weeks without an X-POSITION).

I mean, let's face it – if you're not a third grade student, summers are full of housekeeping projects, meticulously scheduled trips and a calendar full of barbecues, get-togethers and summer nuptials - which brings us to "New Mutants" writer Zeb Wells. I'll allow X-editor Nick Lowe the opportunity to explain:

Hi everybody! It's your favorite X-Editor! No, not Jeanine Schaefer. Nope, not Daniel Ketchum. Jody Leheup? No. Certainly not that Alonso fellow. It's Nick Lowe!!!
Unfortunately, Zeb wasn't able to make it to the interview this week. Not only does he have way too much work to do (between "New Mutants," "Carnage," and a top secret project that I may get in trouble for even hinting at that will give every fanman some rumblings south of the border), but somehow he convinced an actual human woman to marry him this month. You can actually leave your houses now, women of Earth. Someone took one for the team!


Anyway, since Zeb can't be here to answer your questions, I will impersonate Zeb and give answers to the questions you so graciously asked…

Thanks, Nick - er, Zeb. Wow, this is going to be more confusing than "Inception," but we'll give it a go.



CBR News: The New Mutants were also busy this summer as they were occupied with the X-event "Second Coming." Prodigial had a few questions that arose from his reading of the story. Do you have some answers to spare?

1) I'd like to commend you on your innovative use of Legion during "Second Coming." Is Legion going to be manifesting any more of that 'ownage' in "New Mutants?" Might he join the team officially?

Thanks, Prodigal. I wish I could claim credit for the brilliance of the Legion idea, but like all brilliant things that happen, it was Nick Lowe's idea. What a genius! You can definitely expect some more Legion awesomeness to come.

2) I'm really looking forward to seeing who Cyclops has in mind from the New Mutants to lead the next generation of mutants. Has the team changed in any way shape or form for you (perception-wise) since you began writing them with "New Mutants" #1?

I have to say, I'm usually getting my nails done while I write so I don't really know what I'm writing. But in conversations with my incredible editor, I've often spoke about the most surprising thing in writing this is that some of the characters I expected to be boring to write have actually been the most fun. Like Dani Moonstar.

3) Something that's been really bothering me as of late is the unaddressed issue that Moonstar is Elixir's guardian and, well, so far she's been failing at it. Since Elixir has been MIA since "Necrosha," don't you think Dani would want to investigate the matter?

A lot happens off-panel that wouldn't make sense in the context of the story that we're telling. If Dani turned to Karma and said, "You know what, I'm worried about Josh," anyone who didn't read "New X-Men" would say, "Who the hell is Josh and why isn't Nick Lowe a character in this book!"

To properly explain their relationship and what she is or isn't worried about (and such) would take precious real estate away from the story that is being told. So a lot of this happens in-between panels. You may find – when the story of Elixir is fully told – that Dani did look but didn't find him, or did look and did find him and he didn't want to go where she wanted him to go...or something.

4) I'm looking forward to seeing "Fall of The New Mutants" unfold and it's lead me to re-read the classic "Fall of The Mutants" (1987). Would it be accurate to say that the Ani-mator and the Smile faces that were chucked into Limbo back are back? And if so, would the Ani-mates like Bird-brain not be far behind?

Sadly, you won't be seeing the Ani-mator and the Smileys in this story. But there's another classic X-crossover that will have a lot to do with "Fall of the New Mutants."

5) I enjoyed the first issue of your new arc, however, it feels like you had to put "Fall of the New Mutants" on hold while the crossovers occurred. Therefore, I'm wondering if any of the crossovers helped you come up with ideas that you hadn't initially planned for the team? For example, did you always intend for Karma's leg to be amputated?

Nope, that amputation was a happy accident, much like me finding a woman to marry. I was walking down La Cienega with an engagement ring in my hand and I tripped. All of the sudden the woman I've been stalking for 8.5 years was on the ground too and the ring was on her finger so she had to marry me. Anyway, the crossovers weren't in the initial plan, but things like Karma's leg and what happened to Sam throughout them and Dani and her Valkyrie stuff have been really cool to play with.

Speaking of Karma's leg, PO! has issues – volumes of them, it seems.

1) Could you do something about Karma s horrible leg? With all the tech the X-Men have, they could have done something much better and less grotesque! Pretty please?

I'm with Madison Jefferies. That leg is sexy! I made Leonard Kirk sculpt one for me after he designed it so my Saturday nights would be more enjoyable.

2) Are we going to see a love triangle situation between Magma, Empath and Berto? Magma needs some more of the spotlight – it seems she has done almost nothing since the book started!

Good things come to those that wait, PO!

3) Dani Moonstar and Proudstar used to have some sort of attraction back on their teens – could we please we see more of that?

I've finally got some kissing in the book and now I'm kiss-crazy. I'll see what I can do.

4) Exactly how close are Doug and Warlock? Are they selfbestfriends or there is something going on at a deeper level?

They will be kissing soon! See?!? Kiss-crazy!!!!!

Better be careful then, the next fan that wrote in – Metal Woman – might get rusty if your kisses are too sloppy. Let's just get to her queries:

1) After Warlock purged the lifeglow he absorbed, did he go back to his previous weakened levels? Or is he all healed from "Necrosha" now?


He's definitely weakened now. He's really torn about taking lifeglow at this point. I can relate.

2) Any chance of seeing Cypher's "dialogue-translating boxes" again? It was great getting into the character's head in "New Mutants" #6 with thos

I'll see what I can do, Metal Woman. It depends on if my wise editor agrees.

3) Legion cutting loose in "Second Coming" was great, but what happened to him after the fight? Did he run away or is he still on Utopia?

He's still on Utopia biding his time until someone comes by to kiss him. He's got a special personality that took that weird Pick-Up Artist from that VH-1 show with the strange hats and such. So he's ready for his smooching.

4) Considering how many of the New Mutants were teachers to the New X-Men, is there any chance to see them take the kids on training missions?

I think Sam's too afraid of one of them dying on a mission if the future missions are anything like the ones they've had.

And our final email of the day comes from Christopher Judd, who has Magik on his mind…

1) Is Magik still using Limbo as her halfway 'porting station? Or has she finally mastered things beyond that with regards to her powers?


As you'll see in issue #17, she's definitely still using Limbo. And not just for teleportation.

2) Was the "Second Coming: Hellbound" storyline plotted out in consideration to your "Fall of the New Mutants" story arc? Or was there some adapting required to your script in order to accommodate the "Hellbound" conclusion?

A little bit of both, Mr. Judd. Chris and I worked together (under the watchful eye of Daniel Ketchum and the beautiful icy-blue eyes of dreamy editor Nick Lowe) to make it all fit together nicely.

3) I understand that "Fall of the New Mutants" will wrap up the Illyana-centric story arc you'd planted seeds for in issue one. Any chance we can get a hint as to what is in store for the team after this arc? This title will continue, right?

The title isn't going anywhere as far as I know, Christopher (not that I know much about anything other than the difference between "convex" and "concave"). We just had a sweet X-Men retreat where "New Mutants" came up a lot. One of the characters who makes it out of "Fall of the New Mutants" alive is going to be huge in 2011. And not just in the X-books!

And that's it for today, but before we go, we have our "Behind the X" question where we learn a little something special about our guest. Here's today's query: what is your biggest pet peeve?

My biggest pet peeve is prying questions about pet-peeves, George! Well, that and when my fiancée somehow breaks out of her cage and makes me track her down on the mean streets of L.A. That really takes some time. Oh! And I also hate when people besmirch the perfection that is my editor Nick Lowe!

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NEW MUTANTS #16


STORY BY Zeb Wells
ART BY Leonard Kirk
COLORS BY Guru-eFX
LETTERS BY VC - Joe Caramagna
COVER BY Dave Wilkins
PUBLISHER: Marvel Comics
COVER PRICE: $2.99
RELEASE DATE: Wed, August 18th, 2010

“FALL OF THE NEW MUTANTS”

What is PROJECT PURGATORY and what does it need with a Bloodstone? General Ulysses, Doctor Noc and their mysterious platoon have taken their first shot at the X-Men. It’s up to the New Mutants to shoot back. Part 2 (of 5)
 
1) Could you do something about Karma s horrible leg? With all the tech the X-Men have, they could have done something much better and less grotesque! Pretty please?

I'm with Madison Jefferies. That leg is sexy! I made Leonard Kirk sculpt one for me after he designed it so my Saturday nights would be more enjoyable.
LOL..Im glad someone asked this. That leg is ugly and I cant figure out why they didnt just give her a normal looking one. Even Karma didnt like it
 

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