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[Pickle-El]

Of course you can compare films released in Summer 2013. The audience crosses over, of course they will be compared.

Story
Acting
Action
Pacing
Tone

These can be applied to any film. To say that people won't think any less of IM3 because Star Trek 2 turns out to be great....you must be in a vacuum.
Big summer movies get compared. Last year it was Avengers, TDKR.

This year it will likely be IM3, MOS, ST2. They are the biggest names coming out. You said it yourself that Star Trek 1 was better to you than the fireworks of Transformers 2. I think he's saying that many people will feel next week the way you felt a few years ago.

I actually feel the way you do, I own Star Trek on Blu-Ray and still watch it. That's the one I remember from that summer....not necessarily the biggest grossing film.

 

[JangoNate]

Hey, I just hope ST2 is as good or better than IM3 (Loved IM3). When a movie is great we all win! Who cares how much they make or who loves both or one and not the other. That's what's so great about the summer movie season. There's usually something for everyone.

If I'm being honest, MOS is the one I want to do well. I'm actually surprised by how much I've liked IM3. I was looking forward to it, but not as much as MOS. Now it has even more to live up to.

 

[Tony Stark]

Of course they get compared. I too thought Star Trek was the best movie of that summer, but we are in the minority. Most people liked and went to see Transformers, even though I thought it sucked.

Fenrir didn't like IM3 so his opinion of Star Trek reinforces his opinion of IM3. No one walking out of Star Trek is going to think that IM3 all of a sudden sucks, even if they might like Star Trek better.

Sheez I can only imagine what it will be like here when MOS comes out.

 

[ctsketch]

Of course they get compared. I too thought Star Trek was the best movie of that summer, but we are in the minority. Most people liked and went to see Transformers, even though I thought it sucked.

Fenrir didn't like IM3 so his opinion of Star Trek reinforces his opinion of IM3. No one walking out of Star Trek is going to think that IM3 all of a sudden sucks, even if they might like Star Trek better.

Sheez I can only imagine what it will be like here when MOS comes out.

exactly, people who don't like IM3 will do w/e they can to either justify their dislike or try and convince others it was horrible. the same can be said about people who liked the film. When you like something you get excited about it and want to share it with others

When you dislike something you put it down. That is (VERY GENERAL) human nature. of course not everyone fits into those black and white roles.

 

[Fenrir]

Way to miss the point. The point is not as many people will see ST, therefore if ST points out flaws in IM3, most people won't notice. Unless ST just takes off and has a huge audience increase that is unexpected.

The point - ST audience =/= IM3 audience.

We'll let time be the judge of that. Just because most of the general audience won't notice those flaws at first, doesn't mean that those flaws aren't there. It's why Iron Man 2 has aged so poorly, even though it had quite a positive initial reception on these forums.

Fenrir didn't like IM3 so his opinion of Star Trek reinforces his opinion of IM3. No one walking out of Star Trek is going to think that IM3 all of a sudden sucks, even if they might like Star Trek better.

I would point out to some very specific things in the plot of both movies that would make any observant moviegoer go "huh, I remember seeing the exact same thing happening in Iron Man 3, only this time it didn't suck" but that would be delving into massive spoiler territory so I'll postpone that discussion until STID opens in the States and more people have seen it.

 

[Tony Stark]

We'll let time be the judge of that. Just because most of the general audience won't notice those flaws at first, doesn't mean that those flaws aren't there. It's why Iron Man 2 has aged so poorly, even though it had quite a positive initial reception on these forums.

First of all this is a false premise. I can name 10-15 regular posters who had a negative opinion of IM2 right off the bat, who loved IM3, some of whom have said it was their favorite MCU film.

 

[Norek]

First of all this is a false premise. I can name 10-15 regular posters who had a negative opinion of IM2 right off the bat, who loved IM3, some of whom have said it was their favorite MCU film.

So? What's that gonna prove? 10-15 people is not most of the general audience. Besides, IM2 is not the first, last, or only movie that had a positive response upon its release, and didn't age that well. Every film ages, some better than others. And people's opinions change in time too.

 

[Fenrir]

First of all this is a false premise. I can name 10-15 regular posters who had a negative opinion of IM2 right off the bat, who loved IM3, some of whom have said it was their favorite MCU film.

False premise? Then how come more than 70% of the posters on that poll gave it a rating of 8 or higher? How many of those people would still give it an 8, 9 or even a 10 today? Like I said, wait a couple of months and let the sheen wear off.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'll concede that we don't know how IM3 will age. I've already stated that I don't think it's as good as the original, although dark close, and I don't think it was as good as Avengers. I put it well above the other remaining MCU films however, and I think those have aged pretty well, with the exception of TIH.

It's undeniable that there was some huge negative reaction from people on this site to IM2, that was on a whole other level than anything anyone has yet said about IM3. If you don't know that, then you weren't on the boards at that time.

Again for both of you, you don't like IM3 and your projecting your opinion on others. I'll let the chips fall where they may, because I have no doubt this will be not only the highest grossing film of 2013, but the top selling Blu-ray as well.

BTW, I'm totally excited for ST:I2D and I hope it makes a killing. If it turns out to be a better film than IM3 then good for them, I'll be stoked for it. Won't change my opinion one bit about IM3.

 

[Travesty]

I actually like TIH. I like it more than Cap or Thor, which of course, I like those too.

 

[Norek]

I'll concede that we don't know how IM3 will age.

Never even once I've said that we know that, and I haven't seen someone that did. I said however that I'm very curious to see how IM3 will age in time.

Again for both of you, you don't like IM3 and your projecting your opinion on others.

So because we don't like it we should go away and don't post on here? Besides, I feel the same way sometimes, that posters think this movie is impervious to any kind of criticism and come to its defense every time someone says anything that they feel paints the movie in a bad light.

And I think the whole mentality that "you're projecting your opinion on others" is wrong and I never understood it - it's like you somehow feel afraid that negative opinion and criticism will brainwash people into changing their mind about something. Like you're forbidden to speak freely about what you think and feel about the movie. I don't get that. As long as no one is offensive and rude to others, I don't see a problem with negative opinions.

I'll let the chips fall where they may, because I have no doubt this will be not only the highest grossing film of 2013, but the top selling Blu-ray as well.

No doubt about it, I agree. That's irrelevant to how I feel about certain things in the movie though, so it means nothing.

BTW, I'm totally excited for ST:I2D and I hope it makes a killing. If it turns out to be a better film than IM3 then good for them, I'll be stoked for it. Won't change my opinion one bit about IM3.

Me too, I'm excited about STID. More about Man of Steel though, but I don't think either of them will surpass or come close to IM3 box office numbers. But they both have the potential to be better movies than IM3.

 

[Norek]

I actually like TIH. I like it more than Cap or Thor, which of course, I like those too.

Same here, same here.

 

[747]

Why would seeing another movie change my opinion of IM3? If anything, when I see the movie again that's when I might change opinion, if at all.

So much competing, overly comparing and senseless arguing here.

 

[Tony Stark]

Never even once I've said that we know that, and I haven't seen someone that did. I said however that I'm very curious to see how IM3 will age in time.

Where did I say you did? I said we don't know yet.

So because we don't like it we should go away and don't post on here? Besides, I feel the same way sometimes, that posters think this movie is impervious to any kind of criticism and come to its defense every time someone says anything that they feel paints the movie in a bad light.

Again where did I say this? I'm saying that if your predisposed to not liking IM3, that of course if you see a film you like better, that it will probably worsen your opinion of the film. You're taking that notion and projecting that others will feel the same way.

And I think the whole mentality that "you're projecting your opinion on others" is wrong and I never understood it - it's like you somehow feel afraid that negative opinion and criticism will brainwash people into changing their mind about something. Like you're forbidden to speak freely about what you think and feel about the movie. I don't get that. As long as no one is offensive and rude to others, I don't see a problem with negative opinions.

Dude take a chill for a minute. You totally misunderstood what I said. No one is stopping you from posting your opinions, and I primarily was responding to Fenrir anyway.

The idea that people are going to walk out of ST and all of a sudden not like IM3 is ridiculous. IM3 will still be the no 2 movie that week, and will probably have a strong showing.

 

[Tony Stark]

Why would seeing another movie change my opinion of IM3? If anything, when I see the movie again that's when I might change opinion, if at all.

So much competing, overly comparing and senseless arguing here.

Just prepare when MoS comes out, because there will be numerous posters telling us how much better it was and how bad IM3 was.

I just go back to that video someone posted. If you read some message boards you'd think IM3 was the biggest POS put on film, yet it has high user ratings on most web sites and the critics generally seemed to like it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Some people will never be OK with the execution of the Mandarin. It's understandable.

We knew we were getting a drastically different Mandarin in this movie, and a lot of people were already on board with this new Kingsley version, and then they bait and switch us again. It's a lot to take.

I think they could've executed things with Killian instead of shoe-horning in Killian being all, "I'm the Mandarin!"

Another issue is no connection is made to events in the previous movies as Feige had referenced. The Mandarin logo is the 10 Rings from the first movie.

 

[Tony Stark]

Some people will never be OK with the execution of the Mandarin. It's understandable.

We knew we were getting a drastically different Mandarin in this movie, and a lot of people were already on board with this new Kingsley version, and then they bait and switch us again. It's a lot to take.

I think they could've executed things with Killian instead of shoe-horning in Killian being all, "I'm the Mandarin!"

Another issue is no connection is made to events in the previous movies as Feige had referenced. The Mandarin logo is the 10 Rings from the first movie.

What was it Feige had said about the connections? To me the main connections are that the conference was the one where he first meets Yinsen (but doesn't remember because he was drunk), the references to the events in Avengers.

I admit it's a bit ambiguous as to the 10 rings connection. My only thoughts are that Killian created the stigma and others borrowed it, or vice versa. I don't think there necessarily has to be some huge connective piece to everything. Al Qaeda operated as a group that was for the most part decentralized in leadership and it's actions were based on individual terror cells. The "10 rings" group we see in Iron Man could have operated separately from The Mandarin, while having drawn inspiration from him, or allying themselves to him.

 

[Dark Knight]

Just prepare when MoS comes out, because there will be numerous posters telling us how much better it was and how bad IM3 was.

I just go back to that video someone posted. If you read some message boards you'd think IM3 was the biggest POS put on film, yet it has high user ratings on most web sites and the critics generally seemed to like it.

LMAO. Spin it baby....Spin it....see if it works....doubt it.

 

[Tony Stark]

LMAO. Spin it baby....Spin it....see if it works....doubt it.

Troll baby...Troll!

 

[Travesty]

Troll baby...Troll!

Yeah, the ironic thing, is that he's in the Superman thread right now trolling IM3.

 

[Tony Stark]

LOL! Figures as much.

 

[Sharkboy]

Watched it a third time this past week, and while the flaws are a little more apparent it's still my favorite MCU film thus far, I also saw Star Trek...and it's clear it's going to take a huge bite out of anything IM3 earns from now on.

 

[cherokeesam]

Starting with the bolded part - first of all, the time period has already been accounted for (when I mentioned space sci-fi bend). STID is an ensemble piece? Well so was TDK, but that didn't stop people from comparing it to Iron Man. Those kinds of differences are present even in films of the same genre. As for the whole "traitor in their midst who sabotaged the greater part of Starfleet", it is obvious now that you haven't seen the movie and have no idea what you're talking about yet have the nerve to question someone who does.

And even after all that, you still failed to address how the similarities I pointed out are inappropriate.



Again, picking out bits and pieces from my post that you think you can respond to and conveniently ignoring the parts that you can't. I said "summer action blockbusters that are competing for the same audience". Does Titanic qualify? Do yourself a favor and stop giving anymore asinine examples.

Hey Einstein:

I haven't seen STID yet because it hasn't come out stateside.
Why don't you and all your UK/Euro friends do yourselves a favor and quit trying to troll IM3 and STID threads by saying "I saw the movie before you and you haven't yet, neener neener neener."

Horses are pretty goddamn high over there in Sheffield, are they?

 

[Tony Stark]

Watched it a third time this past week, and while the flaws are a little more apparent it's still my favorite MCU film thus far, I also saw Star Trek...and it's clear it's going to take a huge bite out of anything IM3 earns from now on.

I honestly don't think it will have much of an effect, although I hope it opens huge. But by the time ST opens in the U.S. IM3 will be over 300M domestic and over 1B WW, it will coast to whatever it's final tally will be.

 

[Fenrir]

Hey Einstein:

I haven't seen STID yet because it hasn't come out stateside.
Why don't you and all your UK/Euro friends do yourselves a favor and quit trying to troll IM3 and STID threads by saying "I saw the movie before you and you haven't yet, neener neener neener."

Horses are pretty goddamn high over there in Sheffield, are they?

Then go ahead and report me to a mod if you're so sure that I'm trolling instead of giving yet another juvenile response.