Iron Man 3 Official rate & review IRON MAN 3 thread!

[spideyboy_1111]

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a hot dog stand saved him from a blast at more than half the temperature of the sun?

Its important to note.... He BARELY survived

 

[Incredible Hans]

How sad...

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When talk turned to their initial ideas for the villain, Feige revealed that we would have seen a very different take on the Mandarin had he not been cut from Jon Favreau's Iron Man back in 2008. "He was in every Iron Man 1 script until about 10 weeks before we started filming. He was a contemporary of Tony Stark. He was younger. He was involved in business deals with [Stark.]" This means that the Mandarain would have been the one trying to secure Iron Man's weapon manufacturing capabilities and Jeff Bridge's Obidiah Stane would have been a sidekick of sorts to him. "We’d have revealed that Obadiah was the mole on the inside. But it did’t work. It didn’t work."
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[spideyboy_1111]

How sad...

That actually sounds worse..... Like Stane 2.0

 

[blksuperman2]

I'm not going to go into details about my dislike of the Mandarin. I did that here http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25767065&postcount=652

Here I'll just nitpick all the other things I didn't like about this movie. I say nitpick because these are small things that I didn't like but which as a whole, made the movie less than enjoyable for me.

1) Pretty much everything dealing w/ the military.

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Soldiers being scapegoated as terrorist

. As a ex-soldier I didn't like that aspect at all. It really didn't make sense once Tony went to Tennesse.

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so Tony meets with the mother of one of the terrorist and no one in his Platoon came forward to refute these allegations? Then the mother has this classified file? lol, that's ridiculous. Even if it was declassified how in the world would she get ahold of it if he was a known terrorist? Then there's the attack on Tony's house. lol, where was the Airforce? They already established in the first film that F/18s could be launched in seconds when Tony first started flying around in his suit. They somehow never show up. Umm ok. I guess we the audience are too stupid to know that the President of the United States would be the most protected person on the planet but no one bothers to confirm that Rhodey is in the Iron Patriot suit. There's no F/18s escorting Airforce One.

last small rant about the military is that I've been to Ali -Al Salem a few times and there's no Kids and family members there. There's no Braves out on manuvers lol. That whole sequence and explanation was dumb.

2) The other IM movies set the bar for establishing the MCU. Ironman is now an A-list character and basically the face of the movie franchise which Spidey once held. Because they've established S.H.I.E.L.D so much in the other films it really didn't make sense why they wouldn't be in this film. They could have easily tied Captain America in with the Iron Patriot somehow and gave him a little cameo. I really think that they dropped the ball w/ changing the Mandarin because he could have been a major player in a villian team-up in later MCU movies. Why couldn't he be locked away in one of SHIELD's prisons which could have set up nicely for a "The Leader" reveal or something? Also having

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AIM

in the movie was a waste. Killian's company really could have been called anything. At least the Cap movie set up Hydra in the MCU.

 

[mkilban2]

Mandarin just doesn't translate well to the big screen, they'd have to change his entire comic book counterpart to make it work..

Oh wait, that is what they essentially did! And what do you know, it worked like a charm! Perfect execution on their parts. Breaking Mandarin [blackout]down into 2 parts, Killian (physical, emotionally driven, tattoos) and Kinglsey (clothing, intimidation, mental games w/ Tony) worked perfectly. [/blackout] All that was missing were alien rings that do not fit into the tech world of Tony Stark, regardless of what happened in Avengers nothing else cosmic has ever happened in the Earth side of MCU til then. (taking Thor out of there since there was no remaining 'alien' cargo)

Oh, plus having the Mandarin everyone apparently wanted so badly would have given nearly no further advancement to Phase 2 of the MCU, without Killian in this story we've lost, AIM connections, the new found brain-slot, possible Roxxon future ties, and Extremis. How could just Mandarin bring any of those things to be expanded on?

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

still need to digest it more but i liked how "back to basics" it was. Tony was constantly showing that HE is the Hero and not the suit despite his reliance on it. I liked how he pretty much had to improvise and take matters into his own hands/use his smarts to accomplish what he couldnt do.

But didn't we already see this done a 1000 times better in The Avengers when he, oh I dunno, FLEW INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION !?

THAT was him disproving Cap the he is every inch a hero, and it was portrayed in a far better way. Instead of having him singlehandedly take out an entire mansion full of badguys, with a bunch of selfmade toys.

I liked how in IM1 he was forced to come up with a creative idea to escape and make do with what he had.

 

[kedrell]

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Yeah, AIM was wasted as well. No longer are they an offshoot of Hydra. No longer are they a big criminal organization in their own right. Now they're just a company made by one guy a dozen years ago and since he's dead they are probably defunct as well.

 

[mkilban2]

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Yeah, AIM was wasted as well. No longer are they an offshoot of Hydra. No longer are they a big criminal organization in their own right. Now they're just a company made by one guy a dozen years ago and since he's dead they are probably defunct as well.

there's no actual way of knowing that yet. I'm more than willing to assume that in Cap2 a lot of these topics are going to be delved into more, we have to remember that each film is part of a bigger universe and everything can't be fully fleshed out in one 2 hour movie.. keep an open mind my friends!!

 

[kosh33]

i think everyone should understand that the MCU is slowly expanding with more heroes, villains, technologies and magic... each movie is a small step towards a grand picture as mkilban2 said...
in the MCU, prior to 2008, the world was very similar to the world we live in now (except for the cosmic cube that was kept as a secret knowledge by Shield and Hydra)...
if there were 10 rings left by the makluans, then we will need a backstory of why they were left there, and by whom in the movie.. and how they were discovered by the mandarin at this point in time in 2013 and not prior to that... also, we will need time to explain the workings of each ring, since they have different functions, some of which border on the realm of magic and fantasy..

even though tony always finds a way to beat the mandarin in the comics and cartoons, i dont know the same simplistic methods would work in the movie, and thus tony would have immense difficult in defeating the mandarin even with his science and technology knowledge and all his armours

with more movies, more concepts of mind control, matter manipulation, dark energy and magic will be introduced, and this will give tony time to develop statergies to counter them...

also the mandarin appears to be a 'title' rather than a single person, so we might get another mandarin (less likely) who might discover the rings and attack tony, only for him to counter him with his technological tools..

 

[Incredible Hans]

Mandarin just doesn't translate well to the big screen, they'd have to change his entire comic book counterpart to make it work..

Oh wait, that is what they essentially did! And what do you know, it worked like a charm! Perfect execution on their parts. Breaking Mandarin [blackout]down into 2 parts, Killian (physical, emotionally driven, tattoos) and Kinglsey (clothing, intimidation, mental games w/ Tony) worked perfectly. [/blackout] All that was missing were alien rings that do not fit into the tech world of Tony Stark...

Yes, alien rings and fire breathing scientists do not fit into the tech world of Tony stark... oops, wait...

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Mandarin just doesn't translate well to the big screen, they'd have to change his entire comic book counterpart to make it work..

Oh wait, that is what they essentially did! And what do you know, it worked like a charm! Perfect execution on their parts. Breaking Mandarin [blackout]down into 2 parts, Killian (physical, emotionally driven, tattoos) and Kinglsey (clothing, intimidation, mental games w/ Tony) worked perfectly. [/blackout] All that was missing were alien rings that do not fit into the tech world of Tony Stark, regardless of what happened in Avengers nothing else cosmic has ever happened in the Earth side of MCU til then. (taking Thor out of there since there was no remaining 'alien' cargo)

Oh, plus having the Mandarin everyone apparently wanted so badly would have given nearly no further advancement to Phase 2 of the MCU, without Killian in this story we've lost, AIM connections, the new found brain-slot, possible Roxxon future ties, and Extremis. How could just Mandarin bring any of those things to be expanded on?

You can tell AIM's story entirely without Killian and you can't just say "regardless of what happened in The Avengers" Because it suits your desire to remove anything remotely like the comics from these films.

The Avengers happened, it changed things, there's consequences.

If they absolutely MUST use Killian then he should've been The Mandarins puppet. ******** by Stark in 1999 he decides to sell his inventions to the highest bidder. From this he funds AIM. Mandarin then abducts Killian and uses him to obtain Extremis and instead of fake executing the Roxxon CEO, he real executes Killian (the only guy who could reverse the effects of Extremis) on national T.V.

Now you've got a threatening Mandarin who has his hands on Extremis. Tony feels responsible because he (unknowingly) allowed Killian to lose his way. And he's the only other guy who can reverse Extremis so the Mandarin has even more reason to target Stark.

You've got your mandarin, Killian, AIM, Brainslot. No Roxxon, but it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[mkilban2]

Yes, alien rings and fire breathing scientists do not fit into the tech world of Tony stark... oops, wait...

did you miss the part where the fire breathing stemmed from the scientific experiment of being able to tap into a previously unknown section of the brain and cause it to regrow limbs and enhance the bodily functions, where the repercussion was an overheating of the body? That, as silly as it is, is science progression in the Earth side of the MCU, rings shooting fire beams and ice beams and creating portals on the other hand are not yet known to be discovered in the MCU so therefore would not fit into Tony Stark's world. If the rings *were* in this movie and had a proper backstory and explaination as to how they worked (no time for that in this film) then I'd have no problem including that in my previous post. Stop being a damn ******** person nearing troll status for sitting on the forums 10 hours a day just arguing that everything in this movie sucks, it's damn annoying.

 

[mkilban2]

You can tell AIM's story entirely without Killian and you can't just say "regardless of what happened in The Avengers" Because it suits your desire to remove anything remotely like the comics from these films.

The Avengers happened, it changed things, there's consequences.

If they absolutely MUST use Killian then he should've been The Mandarins puppet. ******** by Stark in 1999 he decides to sell his inventions to the highest bidder. From this he funds AIM. Mandarin then abducts Killian and uses him to obtain Extremis and instead of fake executing the Roxxon CEO, he real executes Killian (the only guy who could reverse the effects of Extremis) on national T.V.

Now you've got a threatening Mandarin who has his hands on Extremis. Tony feels responsible because he (unknowingly) allowed Killian to lose his way. And he's the only other guy who can reverse Extremis so the Mandarin has even more reason to target Stark.

You've got your mandarin, Killian, AIM, Brainslot. No Roxxon, but it wouldn't be necessary.

Thanks for coming to the table with the first theory I've seen where Kingsley's Mandarin would make sense if written differently. Definetly wouldn't have complained seeing that plot play out either, but I'm also very happy with what we got.

And with the 'regardless of Avengers' part I mean that other than that there would be no way of explaining magic rings in Tony's world.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Well glad you like it. IMO, the rings should be purely ornamental since Extremis is involved. They don't HAVE to be the source of his power that way.

 

[mkilban2]

yeah I'm immensely happy with what we got, and think it set about 3-5 'seeds' that will continue to grow over Phase 2. I'm really looking forward to some more answers in Cap2 with that being the other Earth based movie and probably going on around the same time-line as well.

 

[Incredible Hans]

did you miss the part where the fire breathing stemmed from the scientific experiment of being able to tap into a previously unknown section of the brain and cause it to regrow limbs and enhance the bodily functions, where the repercussion was an overheating of the body? That, as silly as it is, is science progression in the Earth side of the MCU, rings shooting fire beams and ice beams and creating portals on the other hand are not yet known to be discovered in the MCU so therefore would not fit into Tony Stark's world. If the rings *were* in this movie and had a proper backstory and explaination as to how they worked (no time for that in this film) then I'd have no problem including that in my previous post. Stop being a damn ******** person nearing troll status for sitting on the forums 10 hours a day just arguing that everything in this movie sucks, it's damn annoying.

The explanation for fire breathing and regrowing limb is just technobabble. Which means it is magical nonsense in pseudo-scientific disguise.

It's the same thing with the rings. They don't need that much explanation.

Do you know what really annoying is? 5 years ago someone writing in a forum:

"Thor doesn't fit in because he is a God who eats apples from the Tree of Idun. I just don't see why they have to make a perfectly feasible superhero movie into something with supernatural elements in it...."

And now there are people who write "Ten alien rings doesn't fit in because..." As if people weren't able to learn anything from the comic movies of the last five years.

Your aggressivness proves to me what I suspected all the way long: it's not the people who would like to see a "real mandarin" that behave fanboyish. It's the people who defend the new IM3 film in a way as if they were personally insulted by the critics who are the real fanboys.

Calm down. It's only a movie.

 

[mkilban2]

Your ignorance makes me laugh, I know nothing of the comic world and I enjoy these MCU movies for what they are, separate movies that did something that was never done before and came together into one blockbuster film. I can care less what they change or who the put in as long as they're good movies to watch.

I just think it's ridiculous when people like you come and try and bash on them because they did something you didn't personally like. And then on top of that try and be a condecending jerk to my post in the process. If you don't like the movie vent once or twice then leave it alone, no need to post in multiple threads multiple times a day arguing that something was done wrong because you personally didn't like what they did.

keep an open mind for Pete's sake, this ain't the comics folks.

 

[kosh33]

Your ignorance makes me laugh, I know nothing of the comic world and I enjoy these MCU movies for what they are, separate movies that did something that was never done before and came together into one blockbuster film. I can care less what they change or who the put in as long as they're good movies to watch.

I just think it's ridiculous when people like you come and try and bash on them because they did something you didn't personally like. And then on top of that try and be a condecending jerk to my post in the process. If you don't like the movie vent once or twice then leave it alone, no need to post in multiple threads multiple times a day arguing that something was done wrong because you personally didn't like what they did.

keep an open mind for Pete's sake, this ain't the comics folks.

no point in preaching to them Mkilban.. some just want to see the 'movie and forum' burn

 

[Incredible Hans]

Your ignorance makes me laugh, I know nothing of the comic world and I enjoy these MCU movies for what they are, separate movies that did something that was never done before and came together into one blockbuster film. I can care less what they change or who the put in as long as they're good movies to watch.

I just think it's ridiculous when people like you come and try and bash on them because they did something you didn't personally like. And then on top of that try and be a condecending jerk to my post in the process. If you don't like the movie vent once or twice then leave it alone, no need to post in multiple threads multiple times a day arguing that something was done wrong because you personally didn't like what they did.

I will end this discussion now and come back later. Not because you won that debate with good arguments (you didn't), because I know where it will end: with insults and name calling. It already began... cherokeesam who I always respected got very arrogant in his recent posts, like "everyone who doesn't see how great this is must be stupid" (not literally, but that's what he meant).

You are taking this way to personally like most of the people who liked the film. On several occasisons I said that I have no problem other peole loving that movie. But people should be able to stand the critique. If they can't, they shouldn't come to a movie forum. A lot of you are acting as if this movie was your child.

So, now you have some time to calm down. See you later.

 

[mkilban2]

I don't think you read my post.. I have no dog in this fight haha. Apologies for name calling.

edit: wait a minute, me and Sam are on the same page? What is this world coming to?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Currently the movie is at 78% at RT.

Let's compare:

Iron Man 93%
Avengers 93%
The Dark Knight Rises 87%
Captain America The First Avenger 79%
Iron Man 3 78%
Thor 77%
Superman returns 76%
Iron Man 2 73%

I think at this point it is safe to say that movie history will remember IM3 as a good film with a highly controversial plot twist. But not as a great film.

Ew. What is Superman Returns doing hiding in there? Shoo! Shoo! I'd watch Iron Man 2 five times in a row before watching that piece of garbage again.

 

[Liam_H]

Someone mind clearing up a plot detail involving Killian's plan? At first he wanted Stark dead but Hansen says they need him because he would know how to perfect the Extremis formula. But then he just decides to kill him during the end battle, are we to assume he didn't care anymore about that?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Someone mind clearing up a plot detail involving Killian's plan? At first he wanted Stark dead but Hansen says they need him because he would know how to perfect the Extremis formula. But then he just decides to kill him during the end battle, are we to assume he didn't care anymore about that?

Hadn't his master plan pretty much crumbled by that point?

 

[Liam_H]

Considering that the President escaped that is true. Now I just realized wasn't Trevor captured by that point so his whole plan was done regardless.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I know nothing about Iron Man comics or the Mandarin (except something about ten rings)... so my friends and I weren't too bothered by that plot point.

But it did deflate the film a little bit.