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[spideyboy_1111]

Not sure what you mean here. When I say Rhodey could "put a suit on", Tony would have to do the actual work.

that wasn't what the convo was about though.

anyone who can fit the size of the suit can obviously be in the suit... but it'd end up either A) being an get out of dodge suit, where tony tells jarvis to take them away or B) a coccoon that goes into auto pilot (like Iron Patriot being a holding cell essentially for the President and Rhodey.

Also.... the suits will not fly to Rhodey. which also is very much needed in that situation, the suits can't sit still for long or the extremis soldiers would obviously destroy them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

that wasn't what the convo was about though.

anyone who can fit the size of the suit can obviously be in the suit... but it'd end up either A) being an get out of dodge suit, where tony tells jarvis to take them away or B) a coccoon that goes into auto pilot (like Iron Patriot being a holding cell essentially for the President and Rhodey.

Also.... the suits will not fly to Rhodey. which also is very much needed in that situation, the suits can't sit still for long or the extremis soldiers would obviously destroy them.

That is basically what I said. The suit wouldn't work for who had it on.

Not sure why the suits couldn't fly to Rhodey. We already saw that Tony/Jarvis could have Heartbreaker fly to Rhodey so he could be picked up. That doesn't really make any sense.

 

[kedrell]

My favorite line is "well they didn't make it clear."

Well sometimes that is indeed a valid criticism.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not to that extent. Infact I'd say nowhere near to that extent. The most we'd scene was in the Avengers when he falls and the suit attaches itself to Stark and the suitcase in IM2. Now in IM3 he is physically jumping into the suits individual parts and ejecting himself from the bottom (somehow). Again, it looks good but compared to 1 and 2 it was very OTT and took me out of the film at times.

eh... i consider that a major major nitpick but to each their own.

Tony has ALWAYS had gadgets when needed to get out of dodge. Also remember the context of this film.. he build about 40 suits after avengers because of his paranoia.. including creating coding like "house party" as a way to get out of dodge.. the guy was traumatized and scared as hell of the outside world practically.. fearing the impending alien invasion. he was thinking of anything and everything. It felt perfectly natural

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well sometimes that is indeed a valid criticism.

Sometimes. Most of the time however, it is people simply missing it. Now whether you miss it because you have a short attention span or the movie isn't interesting enough to hold your attention is a valid question.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That is basically what I said. The suit wouldn't work for who had it on.

Not sure why the suits couldn't fly to Rhodey. We already saw that Tony/Jarvis could have Heartbreaker fly to Rhodey so he could be picked up. That doesn't really make any sense.

again, they were in the heat of battle... tony has to concentrate to do all that stuff.

and again.. what's the point? so a suit can fly to rhodey? but he can't wear it or put it on?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sometimes. Most of the time however, it is people simply missing it. Now whether you miss it because you have a short attention span or the movie isn't interesting enough to hold your attention is a valid question.

yeah, there's a difference between a movie that is too snobby and thinks everyone gets it.. and a movie where it needs to be dumbed down so "everyone" gets it..

the only suit that kept falling apart and only suit that flew into pieces WAS ALWAYS the same suit.. they made it pretty crystal clear.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

again, they were in the heat of battle... tony has to concentrate to do all that stuff.

and again.. what's the point? so a suit can fly to rhodey? but he can't wear it or put it on?

Guess it would have been harder to concentrate just standing there as opposed to falling hundreds of feet or while in the middle of combat with a guy much faster and stronger then you.

And I had no point other then my original. I was trying to explain why I think the suit wouldn't work for Rhodey. They you started acting childish, stamping your foot and not actually reading what I was writing for some reason. I was mostly agreeing with you, but that didn't seem to be enough for you. So you just made it worse trying to bend the logic of the film and well logic in general. Good job.

yeah, there's a difference between a movie that is too snobby and thinks everyone gets it.. and a movie where it needs to be dumbed down so "everyone" gets it..

the only suit that kept falling apart and only suit that flew into pieces WAS ALWAYS the same suit.. they made it pretty crystal clear.

Bones flew in pieces.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Guess it would have been harder to concentrate just standing there as opposed to falling hundreds of feet or while in the middle of combat with a guy much faster and stronger then you.

And I had no point other then my original. I was trying to explain why I think the suit wouldn't work for Rhodey. They you started acting childish, stamping your foot and not actually reading what I was writing for some reason. I was mostly agreeing with you, but that didn't seem to be enough for you. So you just made it worse trying to bend the logic of the film and well logic in general. Good job.



Bones flew in pieces.

the only one acting childish is yourself... you're looking for minor tweaks to go against what i'm saying when we're both pretty much already in agreement. The discussion i was having wasn't even originally with you. it was with Deserana.

you're the one hunting for an argument apparently.


Yes.. bones flew apart for a split second in battle. but Mark 42 is still the suit he had with him through majority of the film. and the only one he called the "prehensile suit"

Again, what good would it do for tony to send an armor to rhodey when rhodey can't control it?? Rhodey's duty was to save the president... if he can't control the armor than he's wasting time flying around all willy nilly and most likely to get himself killed by extremism soldiers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

the only one acting childish is yourself... you're looking for minor tweaks to go against what i'm saying when we're both pretty much already in agreement. The discussion i was having wasn't even originally with you. it was with Deserana.

you're the one hunting for an argument apparently.

Please. Look at the entire thing. I wasn't looking to argue, just stating how I thought things worked.

Then you started with that ridiculous "Tony needs to concentrate" stuff. When this is the guy that put the suit on Pepper in less then a second while being blown away by a missile.

Yes.. bones flew apart for a split second in battle. but Mark 42 is still the suit he had with him through majority of the film. and the only one he called the "prehensile suit"

And? It still flew in pieces.

Again, what good would it do for tony to send an armor to rhodey when rhodey can't control it?? Rhodey's duty was to save the president... if he can't control the armor than he's wasting time flying around all willy nilly and most likely to get himself killed by extremism soldiers.

I am not saying it had any practical effect, I am just stating he could do it. That was my only point. Rhodey could get in the suit, he just probably couldn't control it.

Though it probably would have made sense for Tony/Jarvis to simply use one of his suits to release the President and carry him to safety. Then Jarvis could of put Rhodey in a suit and flew him to safety along with the President.

Thank you for opening that can of worms.

 

[Deserana]

eh... i consider that a major major nitpick but to each their own.

Tony has ALWAYS had gadgets when needed to get out of dodge. Also remember the context of this film.. he build about 40 suits after avengers because of his paranoia.. including creating coding like "house party" as a way to get out of dodge.. the guy was traumatized and scared as hell of the outside world practically.. fearing the impending alien invasion. he was thinking of anything and everything. It felt perfectly natural

But it was like the suit can do ANYTHING! I know it is a post-Avengers MCU film we are dealing with here but it was still like "oh come on". There is a funny picture going around of Stark on a toilet, a bad guy crashes in saying "finally got you", Stark pulls the flusher and suddenly an Iron Man suit is created from the toilet modelling itself over Stark. That picture is what I was reminded of throughout a lot of this film. It felt like a suit would appear from anything and do whatever Stark needed if he was in danger.

For example after the bar action scene he whips out a repulsor from nowhere and it was a genuine "I know it had one shot but you couldn't use that earlier" moment. I don't think its a nitpick at all. A valid complaint (NOT a plothole). I didn't like how the suit seemed to be able to do anything and how Stark seemed to always have one around the corner. He now didn't even have to be in the suit, which ruins the plane scene IMO. It was a big step up from the first two and took me out of the films. There was no danger for me in the final battle as I just knew a goddamn suit would be around the corner.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Please. Look at the entire thing. I wasn't looking to argue, just stating how I thought things worked.

Then you started with that ridiculous "Tony needs to concentrate" stuff. When this is the guy that put the suit on Pepper in less then a second while being blown away by a missile.


And? It still flew in pieces.


I am not saying it had any practical effect, I am just stating he could do it. That was my only point. Rhodey could get in the suit, he just probably couldn't control it.

Though it probably would have made sense for Tony/Jarvis to simply use one of his suits to release the President and carry him to safety. Then Jarvis could of put Rhodey in a suit and flew him to safety along with the President.

Thank you for opening that can of worms.

1) have we ever seen tony concentrate with his armors on not only him but another person at the same time? no. And again, why does it matter, the suit would be useless so why even attempt to put it in the film

2) and? it's not the suit that fly's into pieces to attach to the wearer.. it's not the same suit. just because it can come apart doesn't really mean anything. So it's not the only suit that comes apart... mark 42 is still the only prehensile suit that is not only mentally connected to tony, but can fly and attach to it's wearer...

3) yes, rhodey could "get in the suit" no one is disagreeing with you on that. but that comment really has nothing to do with the aforementioned discussion. the convo i was having with Deserana was about why Rhodey couldn't use the suit, but pepper could because tony armored her up.

4) tony/jarvis have no control over iron patriot. it's running on an AIM operating system (thus the comment about AIM being behind Warmachine's rebranding)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But it was like the suit can do ANYTHING! I know it is a post-Avengers MCU film we are dealing with here but it was still like "oh come on". There is a funny picture going around of Stark on a toilet, a bad guy crashes in saying "finally got you", Stark pulls the flusher and suddenly an Iron Man suit is created from the toilet modelling itself over Stark. That picture is what I was reminded of throughout a lot of this film. It felt like a suit would appear from anything and do whatever Stark needed if he was in danger.

For example after the bar action scene he whips out a repulsor from nowhere and it was a genuine "I know it had one shot but you couldn't use that earlier" moment. I don't think its a nitpick at all. A valid complaint (NOT a plothole). I didn't like how the suit seemed to be able to do anything and how Stark seemed to always have one around the corner. He now didn't even have to be in the suit, which ruins the plane scene IMO. It was a big step up from the first two and took me out of the films. There was no danger for me in the final battle as I just knew a goddamn suit would be around the corner.

well 1, is emergency ejection really that implausible for a suit of armor that flies in the sky? seems pretty obvious of an inclusion to me.. he used the ejection inertia to skid on the floor and escape. The only odd ball thing the armors could conveniently do imo was when he was drowning and the mark 42's glove came off and had underwater jet propulsion.. that's a bit specific compared to everything else.

you just gotta chuckle and shrug though, the Starks were always thought MILES ahead...

i don't think anyone would be questioning this if it were James Bond or Bruce Wayne

 

[Deserana]

well 1, is emergency ejection really that implausible for a suit of armor that flies in the sky? seems pretty obvious of an inclusion to me.. he used the ejection inertia to skid on the floor and escape. The only odd ball thing the armors could conveniently do imo was when he was drowning and the mark 42's glove came off and had underwater jet propulsion.. that's a bit specific compared to everything else.

you just gotta chuckle and shrug though, the Starks were always thought MILES ahead...

i don't think anyone would be questioning this if it were James Bond or Bruce Wayne

I guess. The hand thing also was a "WTF" moment for me forgot about that.

And yes they would one of the main complaints of TDKR was that about Bruce Wayne managing to Waltz his way into Gotham with nothing.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I guess. The hand thing also was a "WTF" moment for me forgot about that.

And yes they would one of the main complaints of TDKR was that about Bruce Wayne managing to Waltz his way into Gotham with nothing.

you've gotta have some sort of disbelief in a comic film, especially with characters her are known for over-thinking a situation and being prepared for everything.

I'm with you on the submersible glove, but the ejector setting of the armor is pretty logical imo

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) have we ever seen tony concentrate with his armors on not only him but another person at the same time? no. And again, why does it matter, the suit would be useless so why even attempt to put it in the film

I am 95% sure that Jarvis was in control of the suits in the finale for the most part. Tony used voice command I think when he wanted Jarvis to do something with the suits.

Not sure what you mean by your last sentence. It could be for the very same reason Tony put a suit on Pepper. To protect Rhodey.

2) and? it's not the suit that fly's into pieces to attach to the wearer.. it's not the same suit. just because it can come apart doesn't really mean anything. So it's not the only suit that comes apart... mark 42 is still the only prehensile suit that is not only mentally connected to tony, but can fly and attach to it's wearer...

Well we know that isn't true. The Mark VII did that in the Avengers.

And Bones is apparently the Mark 41, so we are seeing the evolution. It does fly in pieces. That was my point on it. The Mark 42 is a prototype working with new tech, but it isn't the only suit that can fall in pieces.

3) yes, rhodey could "get in the suit" no one is disagreeing with you on that. but that comment really has nothing to do with the aforementioned discussion. the convo i was having with Deserana was about why Rhodey couldn't use the suit, but pepper could because tony armored her up.

Then why did you continue to respond to me and then bring up stuff not relevant and in the process actually reveal a flaw in your logic?

4) tony/jarvis have no control over iron patriot. it's running on an AIM operating system (thus the comment about AIM being behind Warmachine's rebranding)

Except didn't Tony hack it? I thought that was what he was doing in the truck.

If it is under AIM's control how did Rhodey get control back? How come when he was in the suit earlier, why didn't Killian just eject him? How come the suit responded when The President was in it by moving with him?

And thus, why didn't Tony/Jarvis use one of their suits to free the President and fly him away from the battle?

I guess. The hand thing also was a "WTF" moment for me forgot about that.

And yes they would one of the main complaints of TDKR was that about Bruce Wayne managing to Waltz his way into Gotham with nothing.

He is Batman. Duh.

 

[Deserana]

He is Batman. Duh.

He's just a man. A highly skilled man yes but still a man. Getting back to Gotham is fine but getting in to a fully cut off monitored city in what has already been established as realistic...

Anyway back to Iron Man...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I am 95% sure that Jarvis was in control of the suits in the finale for the most part. Tony used voice command I think when he wanted Jarvis to do something with the suits.

Not sure what you mean by your last sentence. It could be for the very same reason Tony put a suit on Pepper. To protect Rhodey.



Well we know that isn't true. The Mark VII did that in the Avengers.

And Bones is apparently the Mark 41, so we are seeing the evolution. It does fly in pieces. That was my point on it. The Mark 42 is a prototype working with new tech, but it isn't the only suit that can fall in pieces.


Then why did you continue to respond to me and then bring up stuff not relevant and in the process actually reveal a flaw in your logic?


Except didn't Tony hack it? I thought that was what he was doing in the truck.

If it is under AIM's control how did Rhodey get control back? How come when he was in the suit earlier, why didn't Killian just eject him? How come the suit responded when The President was in it by moving with him?

And thus, why didn't Tony/Jarvis use one of their suits to free the President and fly him away from the battle?



He is Batman. Duh.

1) tony needed Rhodey to go after the president... not be protected. Also it's not really in Rhodey's character to stand back and fly off .. he's a fighter.

2) you know what i mean... fly and attach IN THAT WAY.

3) apparently the same reason you keep responding to me? ive been stating the same things you have.. we're just using different wordings and it's apparently confusing us both

4) tony hacked rhodey's account to get into AIM. He didn't necessarily hack the suit. if he had control over it.. wouldn't he have just stopped the suit from flying off after AirForce1 anyway? the best analogy i can come up with to explain to you is... Tony's uses a Playstation and Rhodey uses and Xbox... a Playstation controller wont work on an Xbox. It's the same reasoning as to why Rhodey couldn't wear one of iron man's suits. It's not coded to Tony, nor is it running on Jarvis tech.

think about a MUCH stronger version of what Whiplash did in Iron Man 2 with Rhodey's armor... only this time Tony also didn't have Black Widow their to hack the mainframe as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1) tony needed Rhodey to go after the president... not be protected. Also it's not really in Rhodey's character to stand back and fly off .. he's a fighter.

Except Tony didn't really need him to do that. It was actually the worse way to go about it. Tony could of had the President out of there in a few seconds i.

2) you know what i mean... fly and attach IN THAT WAY.

Not sure what you mean by that way. I just think the 42 was the only one that Tony could control all by himself. It did whatever he wanted. Whatever his mind could conjure. Just like when it actives when he was asleep.

3) apparently the same reason you keep responding to me? ive been stating the same things you have.. we're just using different wordings and it's apparently confusing us both

I am not confused. I am just not trying to bend the logic of the film.

4) tony hacked rhodey's account to get into AIM. He didn't necessarily hack the suit. if he had control over it.. wouldn't he have just stopped the suit from flying off after AirForce1 anyway? the best analogy i can come up with to explain to you is... Tony's uses a Playstation and Rhodey uses and Xbox... a Playstation controller wont work on an Xbox. It's the same reasoning as to why Rhodey couldn't wear one of iron man's suits. It's not coded to Tony, nor is it running on Jarvis tech.

think about a MUCH stronger version of what Whiplash did in Iron Man 2 with Rhodey's armor... only this time Tony also didn't have Black Widow their to hack the mainframe as well.

Not sure if that is good analogy. I know how the suit and their operating systems worked. I understand why he couldn't use one of Tony's suits.

My problem is if AIM had control of the Iron Patriot, how did Rhodey leave with it? How did he make it even work? How come when they wanted the suit earlier in the film, how did Rhodey resist?

That is a flaw in their own logic. The only thing that made sense to me was that Tony had hacked into the suit and "fixed it", but they should of had to reprogram it again when they did the attack on Air Force One.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Aim obviously wasn't controling it the entire time... its not like they were sitting their with a control stick. They over rided Rhodeys controls for savin to wear it and control it. And to bring the president back. The armor was obviously disabled in some form or the president could have obviously escaped himself.... and no one was controlling it at that point either... Savin was dead and Killian was in the midst of battle... Its not really that black and white.

 

[samsnee]

It's been established that Tony's arc reactor powers the suits correct? So how do they run out of power when his arc reactor is still working? That's the one thing that always bugged me about these movies.

 

[DyeLorean]

It's been established that Tony's arc reactor powers the suits correct? So how do they run out of power when his arc reactor is still working? That's the one thing that always bugged me about these movies.

I think, I think, the arc reactor, the one in his chest, is for his own personal condition. Each suit works with it's individual arc reactor/palladium core/whatever.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's been established that Tony's arc reactor powers the suits correct? So how do they run out of power when his arc reactor is still working? That's the one thing that always bugged me about these movies.

/fanwank

The reactor can only supply so much power, once it depletes to a certain level it cuts off functions to the suit in order to maintain Tony's life support anti-shrapnel thingy

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It's been established that Tony's arc reactor powers the suits correct? So how do they run out of power when his arc reactor is still working? That's the one thing that always bugged me about these movies.

His arc reactor powered the first suits. But each suit was given its own arc reactor. At least that's how i always viewed it. You can see the reactor in the suits.... And its not like his protrudes from the chest and comes out when he's armored up.

I think after the first movie the reactor was only used souly to keep the shrapnel out of his chest.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

i loved the film, but it did bug me how iron man 1 through avengers showed how nigh indestructible the armours were, but in iron man 3 the suits are being carved up and ripped apart so easily by the extremis peeps.

the mark 6 lasted pretty well against thor for goodness sake lol.

i dunno, i think the extremis guys were made a bit too powerful.

also killian had super speed yet i don't think any of the other extremis soldiers had that ability. if they did, they didn't use it on screen.

i guess if tony makes another armour it will be able to withstand high temperatures and resist being sliced through like butter as a result.