Official: Sandman info from trailer thread.

[Spidey_Zombie]

Your thoughts please....

 

[chaseter]

Booo....but oh well.

 

[DESTAANY]

Lets give Raimi a chance to see how he works it out

 

[Danalys]

poor car jacker guy. demoted from burgler first and now this.

 

[JCBaggee]

Lets face it, Sam Raimi has lost his ****ing mind.

The Sandman being the killer negates the entire point of Spider-Man's origin: that he could have stopped Uncle Ben's killer if he had been more responsible with his powers. Not only does this mean that Peter couldn't have stopped the killer, but Peter going after Sandman to get revenge shows he has learned absolutely nothing in his tenure as Spider-Man.

You're right, it could be handled nicely. It could be an amazing story. But in retrospect, Sam Raimi has essentially negated one of comics most memorable origins.

--Chris

 

[Morg]

*growls* Don't post spoilers in titles

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

Lets face it, Sam Raimi has lost his ****ing mind.

The Sandman being the killer negates the entire point of Spider-Man's origin: that he could have stopped Uncle Ben's killer if he had been more responsible with his powers. Not only does this mean that Peter couldn't have stopped the killer, but Peter going after Sandman to get revenge shows he has learned absolutely nothing in his tenure as Spider-Man.

You're right, it could be handled nicely. It could be an amazing story. But in retrospect, Sam Raimi has essentially negated one of comics most memorable origins.

--Chris

YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT!!!!

 

[The Joker]

Don't like it at all.

Why every super villain that springs up has to have some personal connection to Peter is beyond me. Classic Hollywood contrivances.

 

[ultimatefan]

For the last frikking time people: according to the same reports, the burglar we saw in 1 WORKED for Flint Marko and brought him the money. That is, it doesn´t change the fact that if Peter had stopped the guy his uncle wouldn´t have been killed - Marko would have just bailed out and the car wouldn´t be necessary.

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

*growls* Don't post spoilers in titles

Sorry, I thought this was the spoiler Spider-man 3 forum.

 

[Parquagh]

Let's see how it works, but I hate the idea...

 

[The Joker]

For the last frikking time people: according to the same reports, the burglar we saw in 1 WORKED for Flint Marko and brought him the money. That is, it doesn´t change the fact that if Peter had stopped the guy his uncle wouldn´t have been killed - Marko would have just bailed out and the car wouldn´t be necessary.

Doesn't change a thing. Point is Sandman killed Ben.

A pointless/stupid contrivance to make there be a connection between hero and villain, when it is not needed at all.

 

[Morg]

Sorry, I thought this was the spoiler Spider-man 3 forum.

Anyone hitting the new posts will see the title so don't get smart with me sonny

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

Anyone hitting the new posts will see the title so don't get smart with me sonny

No, i wasn't trying to get smart... This is how i talk... Sorry...

 

[Reptile]

I think it would have been a great plot twist if they didnt give it away in the trailer

 

[ultimatefan]

Doesn't change a thing. Point is Sandman killed Ben.

A pointless/stupid contrivance to make there be a connection between hero and villain, when it is not needed at all.

So I guess you haven´t read these many Spider-Man comics... Norman is the father of Pete´s best friend, Curt Conners is Pete´s teacher, Eddie Brock is a Daily Bugle photographer who resents Peter, Wolf-man is Jameson´s son, Doc Ock almost married Aunt May...

The connection has a point, which is Peter being consummed by dark feelings like arrogance, greed and also revenge.

 

[The Joker]

So I guess you haven´t read these many Spider-Man comics

I've read plenty, thanks very much

Norman is the father of Pete´s best friend, Curt Conners is Pete´s teacher, Eddie Brock is a Daily Bugle photographer who resents Peter, Wolf-man is Jameson´s son, Doc Ock almost married Aunt May...

Aside from Norman, none of those mentioned villains had any personal connection to Peter/Spidey when they were introduced.

Over a period of time, they became entangled in Spidey's life.

In the movies, Peter's had connections to Norman, Otto, Harry, Flint Marko, Eddie Brock......all BEFORE they become villains.

Hollywood contrivances at their worst.

 

[ultimatefan]

I've read plenty, thanks very much



Aside from Norman, none of those mentioned villains had any personal connection to Peter/Spidey when they were introduced.

Over a period of time, they became entangled in Spidey's life.

In the movies, Peter's had connections to Norman, Otto, Harry, Flint Marko, Eddie Brock......all BEFORE they become villains.

Hollywood contrivances at their worst.

Doesn´t change the fact that they´re connected and they´re villains. Wolf-man being Jameson´s son is a HUGE coincidence, so is Eddie Brock resenting Peter, so is Doc Ock getting interested in Aunt May. Doesn´t matter if it took a little more time, it´s every bit as coincidental and contrived, if you will.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Well atleast it looks like they'll stay true to the comic book origin on how he'll gain his powers.

 

[The Joker]

Doesn´t change the fact that they´re connected and they´re villains.

They're connected AFTERWARDS.

When Spidey purposely involves himself in their villainous affairs. In the movies, he knows/has connections to them all prior to becoming villains.

What is he a super villain magnet?? It's stupid IMO.

Wolf-man being Jameson´s son is a HUGE coincidence, so is Eddie Brock resenting Peter, so is Doc Ock getting interested in Aunt May. Doesn´t matter if it took a little more time, it´s every bit as coincidental and contrived, if you will.

In the comics, Brock never even knew Peter. They worked at different newspapers. Brock blamed Spider-Man for his own screw up.

Ock getting interested in Aunt May, that was because of two reasons:

1. She was with Betty Brant when the Sinister Six kidnapped them, as bait to lure Spidey into a trap. That's how Ock met her.
2. His only interest in her was to use her. First as a hostage, and then to bilk her out of her inheritance of a nuclear facility she'd gotten.

And again, all that was well after the villain's introduction.

Yeah, the Man-Wolf thing I'll give you. But he's hardly a big name villain.

In this small frame of three movies, every enemy Peter's had, he's connected to personally. Now you can offer all the apologist excuses you like for that, but the simple fact is that it's lame Hollywood contrivances.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

I am hoping that in the end Peter learns that this was just a big misunderstanding.

 

[ultimatefan]

They're connected AFTERWARDS.

When Spidey purposely involves himself in their villainous affairs. In the movies, he knows/has connections to them all prior to becoming villains.

What is he a super villain magnet?? It's stupid IMO.



In the comics, Brock never even knew Peter. They worked at different newspapers. Brock blamed Spider-Man for his own screw up.

Ock getting interested in Aunt May, that was because of two reasons:

1. She was with Betty Brant when the Sinister Six kidnapped them, as bait to lure Spidey into a trap. That's how Ock met her.
2. His only interest in her was to use her. First as a hostage, and then to bilk her out of her inheritance of a nuclear facility she'd gotten.

And again, all that was well after the villain's introduction.

Yeah, the Man-Wolf thing I'll give you. But he's hardly a big name villain.

In this small frame of three movies, every enemy Peter's had, he's connected to personally. Now you can offer all the apologist excuses you like for that, but the simple fact is that it's lame Hollywood contrivances.

The reasons don´t matter, just the two getting involved for any reason is a big coincidence, no matter if the character was introduced or not. You´re the one making apologies for the comics, when in fact they used unlikely coincidences all the time.

 

[Spade]

No offense, but I am starting to like Raimi's take on the villains even more than I do their official origins. Sandman is finally interesting, Harry visually looks more than just 'Green Goblin 2' and Eddie is actually getting what he's been neglected in the books for a long time- character development. So no complaints from the current ties in this film. They all work toward exploring the main focus on the Suit without severely compromising things.

 

[The Joker]

The reasons don´t matter

Of course they do. When every super powered menace you meet is someone you know, it starts to get old and stupid.

Once, just once, could he have not faced a foe who he didn't know, and was just out to stop because they were doing evil??

You´re the one making apologies for the comics, when in fact they used unlikely coincidences all the time.

I'm making no apologies for the comics.

When you involve yourself with the villains the way Spider-Man does in the comics, they're going to start involving themselves with him. Hence how he became Connor's friend, or how Ock met May etc.

 

[ultimatefan]

Of course they do. When every super powered menace you meet is someone you know, it starts to get old and stupid.

Once, just once, could he have not faced a foe who he didn't know, and was just out to stop because they were doing evil??



I'm making no apologies for the comics.

When you involve yourself with the villains the way Spider-Man does in the comics, they're going to start involving themselves with him. Hence how he became Connor's friend, or how Ock met May etc.

They don´t. The reasons were created to give Doc Ock motive to get involved with Pete´s life. It´s a highly unlikely situation that was plotted out to raise conflict, it´s a contrivance. Sum it to Wolf-Man and Norman, that´s a good number already.