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Christ there going **** up the hobbit just like they ****ed up Lotr... Bilbo is a middle aged over-weight hobbit in the Hobbit that's what gives the story heart as well as what drives it, making him a young hand some twenty something year old ruins it :cmad:

Good god, talk about b****ing. Bilbo's age is NOT what gave the story it's heart, it was his CHARACTER. It's not like the entire story is focused on how old he is, anyways.
 
Good god, talk about b****ing. Bilbo's age is NOT what gave the story it's heart, it was his CHARACTER. It's not like the entire story is focused on how old he is, anyways.

For god-sakes, to say that he doesn't derive his character from his age is as ******ed as saying Young Indiana Jones is the same as Regular Indiana Jones. Changing a character's age is drastic thing... Someone in there fifties is completely different from someone in their 20s. I can respect someone saying they don't mind the change in character, however to call it *****ing or uncalled for is beyond ******ed and disrespectful. Good day, sir :)
 
This topic is in desperate need of pictures.

Come on guys. Post pictures/artwork of what you'd like to see in the movie.
 
For god-sakes, to say that he doesn't derive his character from his age is as ******ed as saying Young Indiana Jones is the same as Regular Indiana Jones. Changing a character's age is drastic thing... Someone in there fifties is completely different from someone in their 20s. I can respect someone saying they don't mind the change in character, however to call it *****ing or uncalled for is beyond ******ed and disrespectful. Good day, sir :)

I'm not saying someone in their fifties isn't different from being in their twenties, genius. I'm saying as long as the actor playing Bilbo completely gets and encompasses the core of the character, it shouldn't really matter what age he appears to be on film.

Also, I believe over-exaggerating to the point where changing a characters age counts as "****ing up Lotr", counts as b****ing. In the English language at least.
 
I'm not saying someone in their fifties isn't different from being in their twenties, genius. I'm saying as long as the actor playing Bilbo completely gets and encompasses the core of the character, it shouldn't really matter what age he appears to be on film.

Also, I believe over-exaggerating to the point where changing a characters age counts as "****ing up Lotr", counts as b****ing. In the English language at least.

Normally, I can usually accept a difference in opinion and chalk it up as agree to disagree but... this is just blind fanboyism in my opinion if you can't see the major effect of changing Bilbo's age has on the story. Having a middle-aged slightly over-weight man play a character and having a young, handsome hearthob play the part is two completely different things no matter how much an actor gets it.

At this point arguing is completely useless since you're stuck in your way but I'll argue for the sake of others...

To reference another film that supposely makes a "minor" change, I'll take "Constantine", I'm not even touching on the fact that the character is changed from English to American. In the end of Constantine, the main character gives up smoking and takes out a pack of gum. In the comics he continues smoking. On a super-ficial level one might say, "That's not a big change, it just something nice for the kids" However, take it a step further and ask what does this say about the character. Constantine by smoking a cigarette shows he really does not give a damn about anything and is a selfish character by all means. By taking out Gum, it shows he's a thankful and at heart a good person. Now which is the better ending is up for debate, as is which is the better character, and so on... However the primary argument here is staying faithful to the book, if you want an unfaithful adaption that's merely inspired by the book then that's great(I say this with no sarcasm, there are a couple of movies I like because they go away from the source material and make it there own).

Now there are changes that are inconsequential because to be honest you can not stay 100% faithful to the books. For example, Spider-Man and organic webshooters this was a good change since it eliminated time with exposition as well as made it more believable. Wolverine's height in the X-Men movies... Or to stick with LotR, the removal of the Tom Bombabil character since he serve no real purpose in the greater plot structure.

Back to my main point, the reason I'm annoyed is the lack of respect paid to my post which was obviously written with a little tongue-in-cheek hence the ":cmad" And even if you didn't get that, my cred on these boards is well known and even if you didn't know that... Lastly and most importantly my original point is completely valid to which it does not need your low-brow condescention.

And again I will reiterate my point... I wish I had my copy of the Hobbit on hand for I would cite passages but I don't. In the very first scene it IMPLICITLY says that Bilbo has settled down and is a respectable fellow. I mean you do not settle down at the age of 20, this is a man who is respected in his community that's what makes his leaving funny and also has an impact on his life because hobbits value reputation among all else but something propells Bilbo to go on this quest and that because of his boredom in life. All of this stems from his age so no matter how well McAvery gets this it simply can not be conveyed unless they give him age make-up. Now if you'd like to argue that a good story could still be told by making him younger that's perhaps more accessible to the teen demographic then I agree completely but I can not buy that a 20 somethign actor can be true to a character that supposed to be in his 40s and 50s.

Let me put it this way would Spider-Man work if he were 30? Would Professor Xavior work if he were 20? Would Clerks work if Dante were 50? I mean pick any movie and ask if you change the character's age by 20 or so years if the story still works and if its a good story the answer is no. I'm not saying the Hobbit won't be good but it significantly modifies the story at least for me.

Saddly I don't have the books on hand so I'll have to use Wikipedia as a source for Bilbo's age

"The Hobbit relates how Bilbo (in comfortable middle age at 50 years old), in spite of himself, is hired as a burglar, by Gandalf and 13 dwarves led by their exiled king Thorin Oakenshield on a quest to reclaim the Lonely Mountain and its treasure from the dragon Smaug. His adventure takes Bilbo through the wilderness, to the haven of Rivendell, through the black forest of Mirkwood, and a lake-community, eventually reaching the Mountain. Here, after the mountain has been reclaimed, the Battle of Five Armies takes place."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilbo_Baggins#The_Hobbit
 
Hmm that is good question on which SPFX company will do for the Hobbit? Both Jackson and Guillermo del Toro both have their own FX company.
 
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Exclusive: Christopher Lee On The Hobbit
He may play Saruman again


Speaking to Christopher Lee earlier this week, as you do, we discovered that the venerable 86-year-old has hopes of dusting off his wizard’s robes to play Saruman again in Guillermo Del Toro’s adaptation of The Hobbit.

Now you’re probably asking how the evil white wizard could possibly show his face again when he’s not even featured in The Lord Of The Rings prequel. Well consider the fact that the mooted two-film adaptation will probably be forced to add plenty of new material and Lee’s encyclopaedic knowledge of his character could fill in the gaps.
“I’ve read the books time and again,” said the 86-year-old. “Originally Saruman The White and the rest of the wizards, or the Istari as they call them, were immortal. There were five of them, two of them never appear, I know their names but they never appear, and the only three that are mentioned are Saruman The White, Gandalf The Grey and Radagast The Brown who you never see – so basically it’s two wizards.

“They lived for thousands of years and they were sent to the earth and they are virtually immortal. When it all started, Saruman was the noblest, the finest, the bravest, the most dependable and reliable of them all, he was number one. But somewhere, somehow, and it was never actually explained, he turns and it’s probably the Palantír (the wizard’s crystal ball thingy) that makes Saruman realise that if Sauron can do this, why can’t I do it and Saruman wants to become The Lord Of The Rings himself.”

“I’d be interested in seeing how that transition from good to evil occurred and, yes, of course I would return to the role if I was asked.”

So there you go, assuming Guillermo’s not the kind of guy to hold a grudge (apparently Lee turned down the role of King Balor in Hellboy II: The Golden Army) and assuming he’s got some space to fill in The Hobbit parts one and two, he could do worse than to get a willing Christopher Lee back in the robes again.
 
Well he could work but the question is do we want Gondor in as well with Boramir and ofcourse Aragorn as. There is so much you can put into a bridge film. Saruman should merit some time i agree but no more then maybe towards the end really.
 
I'm totally game for Christopher Lee returning for Saruman! :up:

I just hope he's still around by the time they start filming...which is very likely, the man seems to be in amazing health.
 
I'm totally game for Christopher Lee returning for Saruman! :up:

I just hope he's still around by the time they start filming...which is very likely, the man seems to be in amazing health.

Agreed Christopher Lee's a legend love to see his character explored a little more.
 
Um Weta is doing the effects i do believe combinded with DelToro' more practical department. So its a joint venture. Weta likely will do the dragon.
 
Whoever suggested Martin Freeman awhile back was on the right track. Definitely Hobbity, looks a bit like Ian Holm, and is definitely capable of portraying Bilbo's personality. James McAvoy is also a good choice to me: he's probably a better actor than Freeman, but doesn't look like Ian Holm--though he does look a little like Elijah Wood, for what that's worth.

Movies205, just thought I'd throw in my two cents about Hobbit age: I don't think a 50-year old hobbit is anything close to being the same as a 50-year old human. Hobbits come of age at, what, 33? So if hobbit-33 is equivalent to human-18, hobbit-50 is right around age 30. You mentioned Bilbo having "settled down", but to me that just means he's got his own place, has outgrown youthful mischief, is an established "adult", etc.--in other words, like a 30 year old human. So I don't think a middle-aged Bilbo is the way to go. But in any case, I happen not to think the age of the actor is a real big deal--for example, Elijah Wood was in my opinion too young for Frodo, but he had enough maturity and played the role well. The other hobbit actors were of good ages I think.
 
Movies205, just thought I'd throw in my two cents about Hobbit age: I don't think a 50-year old hobbit is anything close to being the same as a 50-year old human. Hobbits come of age at, what, 33? So if hobbit-33 is equivalent to human-18, hobbit-50 is right around age 30. You mentioned Bilbo having "settled down", but to me that just means he's got his own place, has outgrown youthful mischief, is an established "adult", etc.--in other words, like a 30 year old human. So I don't think a middle-aged Bilbo is the way to go. But in any case, I happen not to think the age of the actor is a real big deal--for example, Elijah Wood was in my opinion too young for Frodo, but he had enough maturity and played the role well. The other hobbit actors were of good ages I think.

That's exactly what I was thinking. In hobbit terms, 20 years old is still a YOUNG teenager I think? A younger actor could still pull off a 50 year old hobbit, IMO.
 
Clearing up Misconceptions Regarding the Tolkien vs. New Line Lawsuit

“There has been a lot of misconception and misinformation swirling around regarding the lawsuit that has been filed by the Tolkien family against New Line. Media reports have claimed that it was a “last crusade” by Tolkien’s son Christopher to stop the upcoming Hobbit films. Some have gone so far as to report that the famously reclusive Christopher (who lives in France) was scheduled to appear in court this past week and that a judgment was going to be issued. These reports are untrue.”

Read it all here:
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/200...ns-regarding-the-tolkien-vs-new-line-lawsuit/
 
I'm totally game for Christopher Lee returning for Saruman! :up:

I just hope he's still around by the time they start filming...which is very likely, the man seems to be in amazing health.

Christopher Lee is immortal.
 
If McKellan is back Lee has too as well. I really wish they would give a role in these movies to Brian Cox, Jim Broadbent or Jonh Hurt that woudl please me.
 
So from my understanding, are most of the people in this thread all not wanting Ian Holm to return because of his age?
 
He could have a cameo as an older Hobbit in the baggins family if you ask me. Peter Jackson loved Ian as Bilbo so i am sure he'd give him a cameo.
 
The man's in his eighties. I just don't see it happening, honestly.
 
Martin Freeman gets my vote for Bilbo.
 
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