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Lions Gate Said to Woo MGM Studio Creditors; Seeks Terms Icahn Would Back

Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., the independent film and TV producer, has approached creditors of ailing Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc. to help shape a plan to acquire the studio, two people with knowledge of the situation said.

Lions Gate Vice Chairman Michael Burns has been meeting in New York with investors who hold some of MGM’s $3.7 billion debt, according to the people, who requested anonymity because the discussions are private.

You can read the rest of the article at the link. And as far as the release is concerned, I'm fairly certain that they would be able to make winter 2012 IF they start by November as planned.
 
I still think the 2012 release is very possible. If Jackson signs on very soon (which looks like he will) and casting has already begun, they can definitely make it.
 
you all think that 2012 is possible because you want the movie in 2012.

its not even that 2012 would not be possible. the problem is that its impossible to make a quality Hobbit movie for 2012.
they can make a hobbit movie for 2011 if you want. you want a cheap rushed movie?
 
Everyone is going through the motions after Guillermo del Toro (the heart and soul of this project) quit. They're just doing simple busy work, meeting with actors, rewrites, etc. That's all well and good. But it's meaningless because MGM has no money to move it forward.

Peter Jackson (who said from the start of this being announced he didn't want to direct and now seemingly strong-armed into the director’s chair by default) is looking for an out and these "He'll only sign on if WB/MGM can guarantee this can still hit 2012" remarks are just that. It can't make 2012 at this juncture because again MGM has no money. If that studio can't even afford P&A for near-completed films like Red Dawn and Cabin in the Woods, no way they'll have $200-$300 million sitting around the water-cooler.

We've seen remarks around saying if it gets pushed back another year (to 2013) then they start losing their crew. Well, they're already looking for jobs elsewhere (in some cases, Jackson's Tintin sequel) and even Sir Ian McKellen (the biggest cheerleader of this) has all but thrown in the towel.

In the same way it was right in front of everyone's faces (but few wanted to acknowledge it) like Spider-Man 4 falling apart and Ed Norton not playing Bruce Banner again is the fate of The Hobbit.
 
At this point just take the usual 16-20 year break as we have seen with Star Wars and just do another trilogy. It's too late for prequels. Everyone will have to be replaced in terms of the cast unless they have some kick ass CGI between now and then. I'd rather see some similar video game adaptions like Zelda or WoW before returning to Middle Earth.
 
you all think that 2012 is possible because you want the movie in 2012.

its not even that 2012 would not be possible. the problem is that its impossible to make a quality Hobbit movie for 2012.
they can make a hobbit movie for 2011 if you want. you want a cheap rushed movie?

Hate to break it to you, dude, but Fellowship of the Ring was released within a similar amount of time, and that's when they were shooting THREE movies.

Principal photography for all three movies took place between October of 1999 to December 2000. That left a one-year gap between the end of shooting and the release of Fellowship. I'm sure if they begin principal photography on The Hobbit by November of this year, and ran through until the end of 2011, they would surely make a winter 2012 release for the first picture (and still have a quality film).
 
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I think at this point, WB is putting in Superman in their Winter 2012 slot (originally set for The Hobbit).

I think it's very possible for them to make it Winter 2012, but I think there's so much redtape & whatever preventing them to do so.
 
Speculation Of Hobbit Announcement August 21st

Over at The Noldor Blog, there is serious speculation as to a potential announcement regarding The Hobbit around August 21st. And if so, indications suggest it would be a positive announcement for fans.

The blog mentions how the Weta Cave is shutting for five days, then closing again a week later for what is called a “very secret private function”. In addition, a large amount of Lord Of The Rings / Hobbit sets and props are being pulled from storage, apparently in a somewhat urgent nature. Contacts he has spoken to feel an announcement is imminent and that the morale there is very high.

While this confirms nothing, it does open a window of possibility that something is afoot. At the excellent The Frodo Franchise site, Kristin Thompson has added some of her thoughts on the matter as well. What do the TORN readers think?

http://nznoldor.blogspot.com/2010/08/hobbit-announcement-due-on-august-21st.html
http://www.frodofranchise.com/blog/

I don't want to get my hopes up, but this makes me pretty damn excited. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
 
Let's hope some good news comes our way finally.
 
It's about time for something positive.
 
Damn

Update: Sources at WETA and PJ’s camp state that there is nothing important pending for an August 21st announcement. Special events occur at the WETA Cave all the time, many not involving anyone associated with WETA at all. Further investigations reveal the remainder of the article is incorrect and wildly speculative, at best. -Xo

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Man, we need something. I'm dying here.

At least we'll probably hear something by next month. MGM's final extension ends then, so we'll find out if they decide to do one of the following:

1. They sell off their distribution rights.

2. By some miracle, they manage to raise their share of the production costs. (Not likely)

3. They restructure and are able to continue as a stand alone studio. (Also not likely)

4. They're bought out by another studio.

5. They go bankrupt, the rights go to the creditors, and The Hobbit movie is indefinitely shelved. (My worst nightmare)
 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i9b617dc618d4b8ddf07d09870f04f3cf

The chance of bankruptcy at MGM grows
Lenders could offer new capital to keep Bond movie rights

Things are going so badly with MGM's restructuring review that a forced bankruptcy is a real possibility by Sept. 15.

Then again, lenders don't want to lose control of the studio's lucrative James Bond movie rights. So one of them could still dig deeper to provide enough new equity capital to make a voluntary restructuring feasible.

Or if that option fails, the Century City studio could obtain a seventh extension of its debt forbearance agreement with its 100-plus lenders.

In any case, little more than a month before $400 million-plus in owed debt and interest payments come due, this much is certain: Frustration has never been higher with the more than yearlong effort to heal the ailing Lion.

"It's kind of become a joke," said an exec at one of the companies considering a strategic partnership with MGM. "There is a real fatigue among the lenders after all of the forbearance agreements."

The studio has secured six forbearance agreements, or delays of the deadline for paying principal and interest on its senior bank debt. Strapped by almost $4 billion in total corporate debt, MGM repeatedly has gotten lenders to postpone recoupment of a $250 million revolving credit facility and $200 million or so in related interest payments.

Certainly, the array of possibilities have grown no more appetizing since the Lion fired MGM chief Harry Sloan after a failed months-long search for studio financing. Its more concerted search for restructuring options kicked in the following November, when it formally retained the Moelis & Co. consultancy.

A forced bankruptcy reorganization -- like any prepackaged deal -- would shift MGM ownership from a current consortium to studio debtholders. But it also likely would spell the end of MGM's role as a film producer or distributor.

Several major film projects already have been stalled by the studio's financial ill-health, including the next James Bond pic and two films based on J.R.R. Tolkien's book "The Hobbit." Other projects treading water include a planned "Three Stooges" movie and a "Robocop" remake.

Should the studio be forced into bankruptcy court, it still could keep the lights on by shifting money tagged for debt interest payments to administrative purposes. But overhead, including exec salaries in the moribund film-production division, likely would be pared dramatically.

As for the fear of losing control of 007 rights, there is no legal consensus on whether lenders would lose those rights in the event of a forced bankruptcy. But such concern has been enough to force lenders to agree to the half-dozen debt payment extensions.

J.P. Morgan leads a steering committee representing the broader group of MGM lenders, which is also getting advice from the Houlihan Lokey advisory firm.

Those still talking with MGM management and the lenders about different strategic partnerships include execs at Summit, Spyglass and Lionsgate. But the devil remains in the details.

For starters, none of the proposed partners has been able to tap sufficient new capital as part of their respective restructuring proposals.

Before the restructuring talks, MGM had solicited bids for buying the company outright. But a top bid of $1.5 billion by Time Warner was deemed too low.

MGM owners include Providence Equity, TPG Capital, Sony, Comcast, DLJ Merchant and Quadrangle. The studio is being run by an office of the CEO comprised of turnaround specialist Stephen Cooper, CFO Bedi Singh and film topper Mary Parent.

Four hedge funds -- Anchorage, Highland, Davidson Kempner and Solis -- have corralled at least 35% of MGM's publicly traded debt during the past several months. The debt recently was trading at about 44 cents on the dollar.

Approval of a prepackaged bankruptcy would be needed from 51% of all lenders and a group representing two-thirds of the total amount owed. That latter provision gives the biggest debtholders an effective veto over any restructuring proposal.

There have been rumblings that Anchorage or other of the big debtholders would be willing to ante up new capital to complete a restructuring with one or another of MGM's prospective strategic partners. But its inexperience in Hollywood has been cause for concern among those in the broader lenders group.

The strength of Summit's proposal is its offer of international film distribution, which the Lion lacks, while a Spyglass-MGM combo hinges largely on the management prowess of the production company's principals Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum.

Of the two, an arrangement with Spyglass is considered the simplest to value, but placing a specific value on the services of Spyglass execs has proven difficult.

An MGM-Lionsgate combo hinges on the parties first coming together on the companies' respective valuations. Then, Lions¬gate investor Carl Icahn likely would have to bless the transaction.

Another possible outcome to the long-running drama at MGM: "The big debtholders could just end up saying, 'Now I know why everybody hates this business,' " a financial-community source said. "And they just decide to go back to Time Warner."
 
That's what WB execs speculated at Comic Con. Not exactly an official statement, unless I am missing something.

Here's how I hope this goes down. After their supposed "final" extension is up, MGM goes bankrupt, the Hobbit rights turn over to the creditors, WB buys the rights from the creditors, and The Hobbit is greenlit.

But knowing the luck of this project, that will most certainly fail to be the case.
 
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That's honestly the only way I see the project moving forward, since MGM seemingly doesn't want to let go of it's rights.
 
That's honestly the only way I see the project moving forward, since MGM seemingly doesn't want to let go of it's rights.
I want to see Smaug, Jackass :csad:.

Why won't they let me see Smaug :csad:?
 
Even if this goes through, The Hobbit will still be a few years down the road. 2013 at the earlier at this point.
 
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