Comics Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[Specter313]

And Ultimate Domino. He's really going all out with this one.

 

[Specter313]

Here's an expanded version of the interview:


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Today, Marvel Comics held a press conference to talk about the big changes that'll be revealed in "Ultimate X-Men" #75, including the debut of the Ultimate Universe version of Cable. In on the call were series writer Robert Kirkman and editor John Barber. [/FONT]
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Allright, Robert, what do you have in store for us with "Ultimate X-Men" #75?

Robert Kirkman: Well, we're bringing in the Ultimate version of Cable. It's going to lead to a lot of big shake-ups in the line-up and it's going to lead to at least one death. Big changes are in store. We're just going to be shaking things up in general. It should be pretty exciting.

Is this Scott Summers son?

RK: No. He's a completely different guy. We're trying to go in a different direction with the Ultimate Universe and kind of make sure things are vastly different and hopefully it's at least as entertaining if not more entertaining. We're going a different way with this and I'm hoping people will be a big shock.

John Barber: Liefeld thinks your insane for what you're doing with that?

RK: Isn't that the mark of success? [laughs] Rob and I are pals, I can make jokes like that! Yeah, it is pretty crazy, though.

Does this Ultimate version of Cable have the same powers as the one in the mainstream universe?

RK: His powers are completely different than the mainstream version and saying anything more than that will give away the ending to issue #75.


The first time Cable showed up in the Marvel Universe, he created his own team. Do you have any plans along those lines or will he bring some questionable characters along with him?

RK: He has some people that he's working with, but as far as bringing in an entirely new team that will then stay in the book and be main characters, that's not going to happen. But, in the sense that Cable was a very important catalyst that brought about a lot of change in the X-Universe when he was introduced, we're kind of doing the same thing here. He'll be a very important character that kind of wipes the slate clean and opens doors for a lot of new things. It should be very exciting.

Why this character now since there are still many other characters yet to introduce. What made you want to work with Cable?

RK: I think the time is right for Cable. It works well with the story I have planned and you know you can't bring in everybody. You have to hold back some of the big guns to introduce later on. I know a lot of people are wondering where Ultimate Banshee is and some of the other big supporting characters in the X-Men Universe. We definitely have plans for them, but right now it's Cable's time. We are bringing in Ultimate Bishop as part of the story as well.

With your run on the title, where do you think the title is now from where it began and what direction would you like to see it go in?

RK: Well, I think it's a very different book now from where it began because Mark Millar got to start with a clean slate and had the Ultimate mandate of restarting everything and making it hip and modern. I came on with issue #66 and there's definitely history involved here. I think I'm trying to reflect that history and touch on stuff that's happened throughout the run and keep everything king of congruent. I'm also trying to get back to that spirit of changing things and shaking things up that I think the early Mark Millar issues had that kind of took to a back burner as the series went on. I think to a certain extent some of the characters that were introduced later on in "Ultimate X-Men" were a little too similar to the regular universe versions. I'm just trying to bring things in that are different and change characters up to make them more original. I dunno, I like my issues! [laughs]

You do have issues!

JB: I think one of the things you brought back to the series is that sense of danger that was there in the earlier issues. Things are a little darker and a little less familiar compared to the regular X-Men stuff.

RK: Yes, danger, that's what I meant to say! [laughs]

JB: Is that something you were trying to bring back?

RK: Yeah, definitely. In the Ultimate annual that just came out I do some drastic things to Nightcrawler there. I've tried to set the tone that nothing's safe and there are big changes in store. There's a lot of drastic things that will happen to the characters as the months go on.

The tag line for X-Men has always been "in a world that hates and fears them." Do you think the Ultimate Universe has that same sort of feel?

RK: I think so. There's tons of hatred for the mutants out there. It's not something I guess has been touched on that much in my issues as of yet. We did have a Friends of Humanity appearance and there was some anti-Mutant sentiment in those issues. It's definitely something I want to get back to and I think it's an important part of the story.

Can you talk a little bit more about how Bishop will fit into the story and will we also get to see this future timeline at all?

RK: We're kind of playing the future stuff close to the vest. I don't want to immediately have the X-Men running around in the future fighting robots and doing all kinds of sci-fi stuff. One of the ideas behind the Ultimate line is it's a little bit more grounded in reality, so Cable and Bishop both come from the future and they both come from the same future, but it's a future that will be discussed and talked about … there's a lot of story stuff here I'm trying not to give away because I'm really bad about knowing what I can and can't talk about in a story without giving things away, so I end up kind of saying not much at all, which is bad for these kinds of calls. [laughs]

You should just make it up as you go along.

RK: I should just lie! Yeah, Bishop's going to be a rabbit and it'll sort of fall out from there. [laughs] But seriously, we're not going to see the future, at least initially. I can't say more without giving something away.

Which member of the book are you finding the most fun to play with right now?

RK: I really enjoy writing Charles Xavier. I think he's a great character and a lot of the time he gets side-lined in X-Men because people focus on Wolverine and the action of the team. I really enjoy doing things with Charles. I also like Jean Grey. She's a great character and I have a lot of twists and turns in store for her. I like 'em all. Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler.

Talk about the development of Cable a bit. Obviously you spent some time looking at the mainstream character and examined what makes him tick. What essences did you feel were important to bring from the mainstream Cable and into the Ultimate version? And what did you end up adding to the character?

RK: I really like the look of Cable. I know over the years the '90s characters kind of get made fun of, but I like that para-military, covered-in-so-much-gear I can barely walk and I've-got-a-bunch-of-stuff-to-do kind of guy. So, when we brought him into the Ultimate Universe I thought it was really important to have a lot of junk hanging off of him. Appearance wise I thought that was cool and I made it a goal of mine to have him actually use every piece of equipment he's got hanging off of him. There's some pretty crazy fight stuff in issue #75 and #76 and he's always reaching into his pocket, pulling out a stick of gum, stuff like that. [laughs]

He was a big man of mystery initially. I think when they started explaining stuff and coming up with different things for Cable to have in his past, you kind of lost the coolness of the character. So, I'm trying to bring back that man of mystery, with all sorts of questions and that kind of stuff.

JB: Will he pull anything out of his pocket other than a stick of gum?

RK: I'm joking about the stick of gum, of course. It's all bombs and guns and knives…

No educational material from the future?

RK: There's a couple of pamphlets, basically some stuff about Scientology. [laughs] He also has a spoon and a bowl of cereal that he pulls out and eats at one point. There's some sort of future technology that keeps the milk inside the bowl inside the pocket. I was kind of impressed with myself for coming up with that. [laughs]

Once you started writing "Ultimate X-Men," was there anything that surprised you about the process?

[/FONT]RK: It was pretty hard! That's one thing. It's a lot of pressure. I don't know if Bendis coined this term, but he always tells me, "X-Men is the brass ring!" It's pretty intimidating to sit down and be in charge of Wolverine for a month, or at least one of the 20 guys in charge of Wolverine for a month. It's pretty intimidating and team books are always hard just because you have to juggle so many characters and have them at least do something interesting every few issues. It was really exciting for me because I'm a big fan of the Ultimate line in general and have been reading the books since they started. Mostly I've just been enjoying it a lot.

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You've spent basically 10 issues on this so far. Is there anything you wanted to do in those 10 issues that you didn't get to do where [Editor Ralph Macchio] told you you couldn't and will you try to sneak that back in?

RK: I was hired on for the initial nine issues. I knew I'd be there for nine issues, so I sat down and I came up with the stuff I could do for those nine issues that would be self-contained and fun. That's what I set out to do. Towards the end of my run I was brought on longer and told I'd have the book for a while, so I started making long range plans.

Obviously you're a big fan of what happened with the X-Men in the '90s. Are there any storylines from that period, maybe ones that have been mostly reviled by fans, that you'd like to bring into "Ultimate X-Men" and put your spin on like Bendis is doing with "Ultimate Spider-Man" and the Clone Saga?

RK: I know Ralph Macchio and I have talked briefly about doing some stuff with the "Age of Apocalypse" and I think that could be kind of neat. But we don't have anything slated anytime soon yet. That would be one that would be kind of cool to update, change and fool around with. As far as specific X-Men arcs, I know we're doing a lot of talking about Apocalypse and what we can do with him, but no specific arc we'll be tweaking.

So, there'll be no Stryfe or Mutant Liberation front?

RK: Right. I'm trying to take all the cool things about Cable and boiling them down into this slightly changed, slightly new character. No plans for the Mutant Liberation Front.

Will you keep his background a heavy weight mystery for a while?

RK: There will be a pretty big revelation at the end of issue #75 that'll tell you a lot about Cable's past, but there's going to be 1,000 holes to fill in terms of what he's been doing. A lot of it will be a mystery, but certain things will be known at the end of issue #75.

Is he a clone?

RK: He's actually a clone of Peter Parker, but I don't know if we can say that. [laughs]

One of the other projects in the Ultimate line is the "Ultimate Wolverine" series that Loeb and Turner are working on. Have you talked about how that series will tie-in to the regular "Ultimate X-Men" book at all?

JB: They are separate entities. "Ultimate Wolverine" will delve more into his origin and his past and will show what's really different fundamentally with Ultimate Wolverine versus the Marvel U Wolverine. So, obviously it'll have a lot of impact on the character, but in terms of the two stories overlapping there will be some follow-ups, but there won't be a direct cross-over.

Is Ultimate Domino going to be here?

RK: Actually, yes. I can say that.

JB: Before we go, I'd like to add we've also got a back-up story in "Ultimate X-Men" #75 that Sean McKeever wrote with art by Mark Brooks that all takes place in the Emma Frost Academy of Tomorrow. There's a lot about Doug Ramsey and the other character there.
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[Savage]

Double post

 

[Savage]

Was anyone else intriqued by "Mystique's" origin? I thought that was a pretty cool twist on the relationship.

 

[Bastila]

I got the annual today, Nightcrawler wow his gone off his trolly a lot really. It was ok, nothing much really though.

 

[Wolverazio]

I didn't like the Annual but for a very specific reason.

Spoiler

Some of the beauty in Nightcrawler was always that he was a gentle loving soul in the body of a demon. The annual just made him into a monster that fits his appearance. To me, that's more of doing the safe/boring/every villain in a horror movie route. As far as I'm concerned, there were many ways for him to "not make anything safe" without just going a cliched path. Hell, even not having Rogue's comment would have been better I think.

Though in all fairness, I found the annual to be better written than most of his Ult. X-stuff so far. So it was really the premises that bothered me, not the execution. So kudos to him for that.

 

[Specter313]

I didn't like the Annual but for a very specific reason.

Spoiler

Some of the beauty in Nightcrawler was always that he was a gentle loving soul in the body of a demon. The annual just made him into a monster that fits his appearance. To me, that's more of doing the safe/boring/every villain in a horror movie route. As far as I'm concerned, there were many ways for him to "not make anything safe" without just going a cliched path. Hell, even not having Rogue's comment would have been better I think.

Though in all fairness, I found the annual to be better written than most of his Ult. X-stuff so far. So it was really the premises that bothered me, not the execution. So kudos to him for that.

That's just it though.

Spoiler

This is the Ultimate universe, and this Nightcrawler is not the same one that we know. He's literally been through hell on earth with all that Weapon X put him through, so he's easily going to be a very different person than the 616 Nightcrawler. With everything that we've been given from him so far, I think that is easily still in character.

 

[Wolverazio]

That's just it though.

Spoiler

This is the Ultimate universe, and this Nightcrawler is not the same one that we know. He's literally been through hell on earth with all that Weapon X put him through, so he's easily going to be a very different person than the 616 Nightcrawler. With everything that we've been given from him so far, I think that is easily still in character.

Oh, agreed. Please, don't mistake me. I respect changing the character for the Ultimate universe. I personally have always loved Ult. Colossus being gay (especially since it gave Northstar a boyfriend).

My only point is that you could have changed the character or made this character change in that way without being so cliched about it. In my ever so humble opinion. That's all.

 

[Specter313]

Ok, I gotcha.

 

[El Bastardo]

I don't really know if Nightcrawler's characterization in the Annual is cliche, necessarily...

I haven't had a real flattering view of Kirkman in his Ultimate X-Men issues, and have actually stopped buying the book due to Oliver's art and his writing. Only recently, when Raney came in with art, have I started flipping through the book. But I picked up the Annual, and I have to say, the writing was a lot better than in the issues.

... But Kirkman really does, when writing 'Crawler's dialogue, choose whether he's going to use a v or w. About halfway through to the end, he was using both: vwhere, vwhat, etc. But on the flipside, this is my first time reading Kirkman's Colossus that didn't make me cringe.

We all think, I think, that Kirkman's making Nightcrawler bad, or just plain psycho, or some such... and while he might be a degree crazy, maybe it's not going to be that simple. We don't know how much of a carebear Rogue is, after all, so her idea of "monster" might be something different than we expect.

But my above hope mostly comes from that interview, where Kirkman showed an obvious interest and apparent love for Age of Apocalypse. I can only hope that where he takes Nightcrawler from here is not to the cliche, psycho, evil monster, and instead to the Nightcrawler character from AoA. That'd rock, and with Ultimate Xavier's questionable activities, would probably prove a nifty ally.

 

[Wolverazio]

We all think, I think, that Kirkman's making Nightcrawler bad, or just plain psycho, or some such... and while he might be a degree crazy, maybe it's not going to be that simple. We don't know how much of a carebear Rogue is, after all, so her idea of "monster" might be something different than we expect.

I'm just figuring since Rogue was part of the same Weapon X as Nightcrawler and went through many of the same things as him, it's safe to assume that her calling him a monster is removing all semblance of "it's not really his fault."

Kinda like when Logan calls Sabretooth a monster/animal (in any reality). You know Logan's done very similar things/had similar experiences, so if THAT guy's saying it, etc. etc.

And personally, I'm dropping Ult. X-Men once we finish up the magical arc (ie, next issue is my last).

Make sure to tell me if I should come back to it.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Just friggin great, another writer that is gonna leave Storm on the back burner. Jesus, she didn't even get mentioned.

She hasn't done anything remotely signifigant in the last 15 issues.

Seriosuly they need to either do something with her, kill her, or write her out of the damn story.

 

[Max J Power]

I agree, he is NOT the artist to be doing this book. They need to bring back that artist (name slips my mind) that was paired off with Vaughn... Or was it Vaughn? Right around the time Dazzler and Kitty came in.

They need to bring in that guy for the regular X-Men book, instead of Bachalo.

Vaughn worked with several artists--Brandon Peterson, Andy Kubert, Stuart Immonen, Tom Raney, and Steve Dillon. He did the most with Immonen.

 

[Ratcrawler]

Sorry about not using sPoilers. Anyway, I liked Dazzler. She was the crazy drunk chick who crashed at the mansion. And poor Kurt. I hope he finds someone.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

...yeah, a bullet

J/k. I want to see Kurt come to terms with Petey's orientation first.

 

[Generation Lee]

Just friggin great, another writer that is gonna leave Storm on the back burner. Jesus, she didn't even get mentioned.

She hasn't done anything remotely signifigant in the last 15 issues.

Seriosuly they need to either do something with her, kill her, or write her out of the damn story.

Well 616 I'm a Goodess and a Queen has bored me recently so giving Ult. a rest helps.

 

[Generation Lee]

...yeah, a bullet

J/k. I want to see Kurt come to terms with Petey's orientation first.

OK I think Kurt has a twisted logic were Pete is concerned maybe I picked it up wrong in the Annual but I really don't think the fact that Peter is Gay is the cause for his anger. I think its that he didn't tell the Crawler, again the boy who you can say is an outcast among outcasts. He probably relates with Pete on some level. yet Pete didn't feel as strongly about their Friendship as Kurt did. Again I'm trying to apply his logic to the situation here.

 

[AndThePickles]

OK I think Kurt has a twisted logic were Pete is concerned maybe I picked it up wrong in the Annual but I really don't think the fact that Peter is Gay is the cause for his anger. I think its that he didn't tell the Crawler, again the boy who you can say is an outcast among outcasts. He probably relates with Pete on some level. yet Pete didn't feel as strongly about their Friendship as Kurt did. Again I'm trying to apply his logic to the situation here.

I think it's a combination of both: He was upset that Peter didn't tell him, since they were supposed to be close friends. However, I still think that Nightcrawler is also mad because he's quite the religious homophobe.

 

[squeekness]

I didn't like the Annual but for a very specific reason.

Spoiler

Some of the beauty in Nightcrawler was always that he was a gentle loving soul in the body of a demon. The annual just made him into a monster that fits his appearance. To me, that's more of doing the safe/boring/every villain in a horror movie route. As far as I'm concerned, there were many ways for him to "not make anything safe" without just going a cliched path. Hell, even not having Rogue's comment would have been better I think.

Though in all fairness, I found the annual to be better written than most of his Ult. X-stuff so far. So it was really the premises that bothered me, not the execution. So kudos to him for that.

Perhaps they will show Nightcrawler getting "saved" by someone, a priest perhaps, and show the change in him. No one is ever perfect. I think it could be a good story.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

^As one of the biggest Nightcrawler fans on the Hype, I'd personally love to see a story like that with Ultimate Nightcrawler.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

How exactly would Pete have worked the fact that he's gay into a conversation. I don't recall him formally announcing it to anybody really; just little subtle hints throughout the book. Kurt's just not being a nice guy about it.

 

[Generation Lee]

Has Ultim. Nightcrawler ever once suggested he's in anyway religious?
If he was he would have been trying to repent for what he did in weapon X from day one.

 

[triplefive]

Meh, he could be one of those religious people who believe in sex before marriage if it suits them, but then other people being gay is not okay.

 

[Superbeasto]

What the nightcrawler in the ultimate univers did??, sorry i dont read ultimate x men im just curious, and i see the final page when rogue says he his a monster and a tear falls from kurts closed eye, can someone tell me , pliiiiiiiiiiiis

 

[triplefive]

What the nightcrawler in the ultimate univers did??, sorry i dont read ultimate x men im just curious, and i see the final page when rogue says he his a monster and a tear falls from kurts closed eye, can someone tell me , pliiiiiiiiiiiis

Well, Ultimate Nightcrawler was part of the Weapon X program which makes him a little more rough around the edges than 616 Nightcrawler. He's been going through some bad times, emotionally, because Colossus, whom Nightcrawler was good friends with, revealed to Nightcrawler that he is gay. Anyway, Nightcrawler was kind of at a loss and he found solace in Dazzler, who was lying in the hospital in a coma.

Spoiler

In the Annual, we find out that he kidnapped her from her hospital bed and took her to some cave with no exit, and lied to her about it. He wanted to force her to spend time with him so that she might fall in love with him. Then he got caught, and the entire team fought him and Rogue finally subdued him by touching him, which is why you get to the end where she says that she was in his head.

I hope that was clear enough.