The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[VenomVsSpidey]

No way. No to three villains. Both Batman and Robin and Spider-Man 3 had three villains; both films were over crowded. Keep the film sleek and to the point. Just Lizard and Kraven.

you could say that. then again, 2 of the batman movies (BB, BR) had 3 villians and they played off fine. it's just that as much as i truly,truly loved SM3, it seemed like it was a million plot lines, and the only way that they were connected was through peter. i mean, it's just great writing that could do the trick.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

No way. No to three villains. Both Batman and Robin and Spider-Man 3 had three villains; both films were over crowded. Keep the film sleek and to the point. Just Lizard and Kraven.

I think a film can have 3 villians. It's all about how it's approached. TDK had 3 villians (Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face). Spider-Man can follow the same method my using a smaller known villain in the beginning.

 

[Venom'sDad]

it seemed like it was a million plot lines, and the only way that they were connected was through peter. i mean, it's just great writing that could do the trick.

I think a film can have 3 villians. It's all about how it's approached.

Guys... I couldn't agree more.

 

[Nightmare]

I just hope the Villian doesnt turn all good at the end again. Like Spidey 2 and 3. Thought that was lame, especially sandman tearin up and flying away in the night.

 

[SuperAl]

hopefully they tone down the crying in the next movie, i dont wanna see this face anymore



plus rami needs to stop showing the extras so much, i just watched spidey 3 again today and man it just kills every moment. They all have incredibly fake expressions on their face, and whenever they say anything its just so cheesy. "totally rad" "oh the brutality" Also rami seems to believe that only incredibly hot woman live in spideys world. Every extra is friggin hot lol

 

[zeptron]

I spent so much time trying to explain to people that multiple villains did not cause the downfalls of these movies I can barely stand to talk about it anymore.(Otherwise I'd go right into it.)

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I just hope the Villian doesnt turn all good at the end again. Like Spidey 2 and 3. Thought that was lame, especially sandman tearin up and flying away in the night.

That was he's only way to escape death at the hands of Raimi.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I think a film can have 3 villians. It's all about how it's approached. TDK had 3 villians (Scarecrow, Joker and Two-Face). Spider-Man can follow the same method my using a smaller known villain in the beginning.

I'm all for having a villian like Shocker or Rhino in the beggining of the movie for a espectacular fight scened.

 

[Spiderine]

That was he's only way to escape death at the hands of Raimi.

Raimi wasn't killing off his favorite villain. I am sure after that touching scene between him and Peter he was off to rob and steal again.

 

[Spiderine]

I'm all for having a villian like Shocker or Rhino in the beggining of the movie for a espectacular fight scened.

How in the world are you gonna explain a man in a Rhino costume at the beginning of a movie?

 

[Michael Frost]

Jekyl and Hide plot is cool if they have the Lizard being somewhat rational. That only happened in a few storylines and I think a big talking lizard is a big meh.

People who don't know anything about spiderman should not watch this.
Plus REAL fans like i don't care if they think the lizard is an alien.
The fans just calls them noobs, and thats all they are.

I also hate it when people say they think it would be weird to see people in purple costumes and blah blah blah, this only show me that those people have no imagination, and they would laugh at anything, and they only want reality.
Go look out the window, and theres your precious reality.

You and I both know that these movies are made to make money. Ultimately. That means they make them for more than just the fans.

There is a big difference between being creative/imaginative and being cheesy. I like reality as much as I like fiction. Doesn't mean that I'm willing to shut my eyes at some obvious big ball of cheddar or mozarella onscreen.

As sad as it is, that's how society works. They'll laugh at anything out of what is perceived as normal or acceptable.

As for the alien thing, what you say as a rule just isn't true.
If something is executed well an audience can accept it.
Spidey is a friendly neighbourhood superhero, but he has had his share of alien villans and if it's done well storywise there's no reason an alien influence can't be effective in a movie. They just did not do well introducing it in Spider-man 3.

Purple suit. And yeah, I'm sure the concept of a giant ape who fancies a human woman and tears through a city looking for her would be equally ridiculous onscreen, although that worked out very well for a groundbreaking movie back in the 1930s.

Which is related to what I said: it's execution is never good if you advertise your movie as something else other than an alien or monster movie.

I specifically said that these movies are only accepted when people know what to expect out of them. This means they expect monsters in a monster movie and aliens in an alien movie.

King Kong is the perfect example, yes, but to my point, not yours. It was a success, yes. So was Independence Day. They still are a monster and an alien movie respectively. People know what to expect out of it and it was awesome for them. This is irrelevant to what I said tho.

If you want a good example try that movie with Julianne Moore on which she spends her time looking for her missing daughter only to get to the end and find out it was the aliens all the time. This is a good example of what I was saying.

Rule of thumb here is: Starting a movie with an unrelated solid plot and then blaming it all on aliens or monsters is always cheap and lame. If you make a movie about aliens or monsters tho, it's fine.

That was 3 villans, and all things considered, he handled the circumstances of having a 3rd villan he didn't want to do forced on him by Avi Arad better than most directors I dare say. A villan with a very convulted backstory that would affect every step of the plot no less. Also, you have to consider he had to tie up all the loose ends of the trilogy , mainly the Osborn plot as well.
And who's to say he couldn't handle 2 villans? Based on the evidence he couldn't handle 3 villans means he couldn't handle 2? Or maybe the fact that he handled 1 villan, an origin story and introducing all the main characters of the universe in SM1 could mean he might have a chance of doing a great 2 villan story in an already established universe.

I didn't said he couldn't. I said I am worried. I'll be a happy bunny if he proves me wrong. Let's not try to fall on the same old discussion here, ok? Spiderman 3 has already been discussed to death and general consensus is that it wasn't at least decent. Let's not derail this thread with another "Why SM3 sucked" discussion again.

 

[Jostru]

Sinister Six: The Lizard, Kraven, Morbius, Electro, Scorpion, and Hobgoblin or i guess Shocker

I'm actually against the Sinister Six for the movies, but I'd make them: Electro, Shocker, Kraven, Mysterio, Vulture and Hobgoblin or Rhino

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I'm actually against the Sinister Six for the movies

I feel somewhat the same way. Besides the fact that they kileld Ock (and he ain't coming back) and Sandmans a pansy, they would need to set up the other villains as well, and that could end up a mess IMO.

 

[david icke]

Jekyl and Hide plot is cool if they have the Lizard being somewhat rational. That only happened in a few storylines and I think a big talking lizard is a big meh.

How can you have a rational Lizard unless he talks? Like the Hulk? I think the Hulk movies could improve if they let him talk a little, the Lizard would be better off too I think.

Which is related to what I said: it's execution is never good if you advertise your movie as something else other than an alien or monster movie.

I specifically said that these movies are only accepted when people know what to expect out of them. This means they expect monsters in a monster movie and aliens in an alien movie.

King Kong is the perfect example, yes, but to my point, not yours. It was a success, yes. So was Independence Day. They still are a monster and an alien movie respectively. People know what to expect out of it and it was awesome for them. This is irrelevant to what I said tho.

They had no problem introducing an alien to the movie we were talking about, the FF movie, in the form of the Silver Surfer, he was the best part of the movie. By your logic that should not have worked.
Who's to say introducing an alien that has taken the form of a large intimidating human wouldn't work either?
I used the King Kong example to illustrate that large beings onscreen can be used effectively.
When folk are paying in to see a superhero movie they best be expected to maybe see monsters or aliens as they sure do appear a lot in the comicbooks.
FF are a more cosmic superhero group than friendly neighbourhood Spidey, but I don't see the harm in Spidey having an alien threat now and again. It was just badly introduced in SM3.

If you want a good example try that movie with Julianne Moore on which she spends her time looking for her missing daughter only to get to the end and find out it was the aliens all the time. This is a good example of what I was saying.

Rule of thumb here is: Starting a movie with an unrelated solid plot and then blaming it all on aliens or monsters is always cheap and lame. If you make a movie about aliens or monsters tho, it's fine.

I don't mind movies like that, I didn't mind the Jullianne Moore one. Some people just want their movies to be realistic and hate it when sci-fi or fantasy elements are introduced, or sometimes they see it as a cop-out catch all answer instead of an intriguing sci-fi drama like X-Files.
In saying that though I think there's a big difference between a 'missing child' thriller introducing aliens and a superhero movie. As said above, they appear a lot as villans, and many of the heroes are aliens or monsters, Superman and Hulk respectively.

In many ways superhero movies are the alien and monster movies of our day.
Man is mutated into man-spider; mutated man who has claws that extend from his hands; guy on a silver surfboard from outer space comes to Earth on a mission to destroy it. They all sound like monster and alien movies to me.

 

[Spidey Snooch]

How can you have a rational Lizard unless he talks?

Facial expressions and body language often say much, much more than words ever could. They could show that Dr. Conners is in there, fighting to take control.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

Facial expressions and body language often say much, much more than words ever could. They could show that Dr. Conners is in there, fighting to take control.

Well maybe not facial expressions, depending on which way they amke his appearance int he movie. I mean if they go the 60's route, where his fae looked human kinda, then yeah facial expressions. But if not then besides body language it should involve noise. You know, a roar for anger, a hiss for annoyance or something, and a some other reptilian noises.

 

[iamlegend]

I feel somewhat the same way. Besides the fact that they kileld Ock (and he ain't coming back) and Sandmans a pansy, they would need to set up the other villains as well, and that could end up a mess IMO.

That, and with the power levels they've granted villains so far...

Would they even be able to come up with a believable way for Spider-Man to beat 6 of his fiercest foes without assistance?

 

[Spider-Vader]

hopefully they tone down the crying in the next movie, i dont wanna see this face anymore



plus rami needs to stop showing the extras so much, i just watched spidey 3 again today and man it just kills every moment. They all have incredibly fake expressions on their face, and whenever they say anything its just so cheesy. "totally rad" "oh the brutality" Also rami seems to believe that only incredibly hot woman live in spideys world. Every extra is friggin hot lol

Then why is Kirsten Dunst Mary Jane?

 

[Jostru]

Okay, so this is how I could see it working out:

Spider-man 4: The Lizard and Kraven

Doctor Connors turns into The Lizard and hits the sewers and starts menacing New York. Kraven learns from this and comes to New York to hunt The Lizard. Spider-man has to stop the 2 from destroying New York in their battle. In the end Kraven is killed (sadly enough) and Doctor Connors becomes normal again. Introduce Felicia Hardy somewhere in the movie. Peter and MJ decide to give eachother more space in the movie.

Spider-man 5: Electro and Chameleon

Max Dillon, someone who Peter learns to know in his college, turns into Electro by accident. He starts havoc in the streets of New York. Meanwhile Peter starts seeing his old enemies/friends like Otto Octavius, Norman Osborn, Eddie Brock and Harry. He thinks he's loosing it and weird things happen around him. He finds out that it's a guy who calls himself The Chameleon who's behind it. It is revealed that The Chameleon is Kraven's half-brother and he wants revenge for his death. The Black Cat has a few cameos somewhere in the movie. I don't know what happens to the villains, but I would prefer them to survive, or atleast one of them. While Peter and MJ are taking a break from eachother, Peter enjoys the attention of both Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy.

Spider-man 6: Hobgoblin and Black Cat

Hobgoblin start terrorizing New York and must be stopped. While Spider-man has his hands full with Hobgoblin, Black Cat has the opportunity to rob banks and jewelries. Spider-man finds out that Black Cat is in fact Felicia Hardy. Black Cat helps Spider-man against Hobgoblin, but only if she gets profit from it ofcourse. In the end Hobgoblin gets defeated and gets put into jail. Felicia promises to stop being Black Cat, but who knows for how long? Peter doesn't know what to do: give in to the Black Cat, a.k.a. Felica Hardy, or Gwen Stacy or choose to be with Mary Jane for good! He chooses to be with Mary Jane and finally proposes to her and she says yes.


Well, I think this could work out. But still it's just an idea.

 

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Raimi wasn't killing off his favorite villain. I am sure after that touching scene between him and Peter he was off to rob and steal again.

In the Raimi Spider-man movies, if you're evil, you die.

 

[SuperAl]

Then why is Kirsten Dunst Mary Jane?

lol not sure, maybe he realized how ugly she was so he just filled the crowds with hot chicks to level the playing field.

Also why does everyone want more than one villain. Have it spiderman vs one villain, that way there is actually some development for the villain. I say bring back Venom and give him some actual justice on screen. Topher Grace had to be the worst casting decision. Every line he spoke just sounded like he was tryin to be funny.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Some days ago, I have seen a copy of a Spider-Man 4 test script (40th pages) by David Lindsay Abaire. I think was a fake because the script is so horrible...

 

[Brimay]

Okay, so this is how I could see it working out:

Spider-man 4: The Lizard and Kraven

Doctor Connors turns into The Lizard and hits the sewers and starts menacing New York. Kraven learns from this and comes to New York to hunt The Lizard. Spider-man has to stop the 2 from destroying New York in their battle. In the end Kraven is killed (sadly enough) and Doctor Connors becomes normal again. Introduce Felicia Hardy somewhere in the movie. Peter and MJ decide to give eachother more space in the movie.

Spider-man 5: Electro and Chameleon

Max Dillon, someone who Peter learns to know in his college, turns into Electro by accident. He starts havoc in the streets of New York. Meanwhile Peter starts seeing his old enemies/friends like Otto Octavius, Norman Osborn, Eddie Brock and Harry. He thinks he's loosing it and weird things happen around him. He finds out that it's a guy who calls himself The Chameleon who's behind it. It is revealed that The Chameleon is Kraven's half-brother and he wants revenge for his death. The Black Cat has a few cameos somewhere in the movie. I don't know what happens to the villains, but I would prefer them to survive, or atleast one of them. While Peter and MJ are taking a break from eachother, Peter enjoys the attention of both Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy.

Spider-man 6: Hobgoblin and Black Cat

Hobgoblin start terrorizing New York and must be stopped. While Spider-man has his hands full with Hobgoblin, Black Cat has the opportunity to rob banks and jewelries. Spider-man finds out that Black Cat is in fact Felicia Hardy. Black Cat helps Spider-man against Hobgoblin, but only if she gets profit from it ofcourse. In the end Hobgoblin gets defeated and gets put into jail. Felicia promises to stop being Black Cat, but who knows for how long? Peter doesn't know what to do: give in to the Black Cat, a.k.a. Felica Hardy, or Gwen Stacy or choose to be with Mary Jane for good! He chooses to be with Mary Jane and finally proposes to her and she says yes.


Well, I think this could work out. But still it's just an idea.

This is just my opinion and i'm sorry if this comes out mean, i don't mean it to be. But, i hate black cat just as much as venom, and hobgoblin is just well, plain stupid. MHO! don't take this as a flame please.


I do however agree with your view on four as for lizard and kraven, even tho i'd rather just have the lizard, kraven seems just to go perfectally with him for some reason.

5, I think we should finally have mysterio, just imagine what we could see with all his special effects, and for anyone saying he's weak, well he can deffinatly build a something to his suit to make him stronger.
If he can make those type of effects, just think of what else he's capable of mastering.

6, Well deffinitely The sinister six, since raimi loves the group then i think he can do no wrong with it, but doc ock died? no, he didint.
How you ask? easy, IT'S A MOVIE!


Hope i havn't pissed anyone off. usually happens alot. t:

 

[Jostru]

This is just my opinion and i'm sorry if this comes out mean, i don't mean it to be. But, i hate black cat just as much as venom, and hobgoblin is just well, plain stupid. MHO! don't take this as a flame please.


I do however agree with your view on four as for lizard and kraven, even tho i'd rather just have the lizard, kraven seems just to go perfectally with him for some reason.

5, I think we should finally have mysterio, just imagine what we could see with all his special effects, and for anyone saying he's weak, well he can deffinatly build a something to his suit to make him stronger.
If he can make those type of effects, just think of what else he's capable of mastering.

6, Well deffinitely The sinister six, since raimi loves the group then i think he can do no wrong with it, but doc ock died? no, he didint.
How you ask? easy, IT'S A MOVIE!


Hope i havn't pissed anyone off. usually happens alot. t:

Why would I be pissed off... If you don't want to get any comments, then you shouldn't be on a forum.

Well, about the Black Cat thing: You could easily cut her out.

Hobgoblin: Well, I read that a lot of people want him somewhere in the movies, so I put him in the sixth one, because I don't really know who to put in it. But you're right Mysterio could be interesting.

And about the 2 villains thing: Well, I think Electro could carry a movie on his own and well, the Lizard and Kraven match so good. And for the sixth I don't know who to put in so I just took Hobgoblin. And well, mostly 2 villains turn out pretty good... if you approach it correctly ofcourse. Like in the new Batman movies from Nolan. You know?

 

[zeptron]

Also why does everyone want more than one villain. Have it spiderman vs one villain, that way there is actually some development for the villain. I say bring back Venom and give him some actual justice on screen. Topher Grace had to be the worst casting decision. Every line he spoke just sounded like he was tryin to be funny.

More than one villain is not always a bad thing. If done right both villains can have proper development. Batman Returns and The Dark Knight are good examples of this. Spidey has a lot of great villains and it would suck if some of them didn't get to be on the big screen because they kept using only one villain. And I really don't want a two-hour movie with Spidey just going after The Vulture or just taking on Scorpion.

And Venom cannot hold a movie on his own IMO. Because then the entire movie would be about Eddie stalking Peter. It works for a half hour cartoon episode, but not a two-hour movie.