The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Spidey Snooch]

i thought that they first writte the story of peter parker and then they add the villains that fit the most to the story?

This is true, but last time they tried too hard. The theme of SM3 was forgiveness and redemption and we got a contrived, dare I say, blasphemous retcon on the origin so they could force a relationship between Pete and Marko. With that being said, what would be the theme of SM4 and what villain(s) would fit?

 

[Spidey-Quad]

What I wouldn't want to see is the Spider-Slayers. I never enjoyed those stories. I do like JJJ's son in either guise. Either SpaceSpore-Man or Man-Wolf. The later could work along with Kraven just as tight as the Lizard, they're almost inter changable. Both would be expensive CGI or costume. I like Morbius the living Vampire too.

When Sony first mentioned filming 4&5 together I was hoping for the "Tablet" story broken arm and all, but I think Kraven is more likely now.

 

[Hellion]

Today Raimi let "slip" Spider-Man 4 will have either "A" villain or villains, and he pretty much knows who, it's a matter of how the final script looks.

I say it's Kraven first, and if another is present we finally get Kurt Connors alter-ego the Lizard!

What do you think? Only thing is no "torn" angst allowed!

Tear away!

Sounds good to me!

 

[Hellion]

Nobody wants to see Calypso but me...

 

[Venom 1988]

Why, all they have ever been is thugs with masks on. they never had any personal connection with Peter, nor did they really ever do anything to hurt him. Scorpion on the other hand could work as he is spidey's polar opposite, and you could even right in some stuff that he could do to peter. Electro probably wouldn't work either, I mean how do you think public audiences would respond to the electric guy wearing a corny yellow and green suit with ZZZZ's all over it versus Spider-Man.

Post is full of fail

 

[zeptron]

If Lizard's not in this I'll be very disappointed. Connors has been seen or mentioned in all 3 three movies. It's time.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I never enjoyed those stories.

Really? I loved those stories.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think Lizard is one of the villains left. Maybe Kraven too.

But I wouldn't mind if there was one villain, that's fine with me. Two villains could only work if they're both executed and connected. Kraven fits Lizard, Vulture would fit Lizard, though those two could be too big for one film.

 

[The Slang]

Depending on wether there'll be a number 5 or not, I could be happy with just one villain. I would like to see the lizard, but for the love of god do not OVER-do the cgi. The lizard could hold a movie on his own. The plot could revolve -like always- around Parkers relationships/money problems, only this time let us go out with parker as spider-man and patrol without a distinct purpose. Spider-man should go out at night and look for trouble, not knowing if he'll find it or not.

Part way through the movie you announce conner's disappearance. Maybe there could be evidence to suggest a criminal group stealing conners work/ equipment, so now when spidey patrols the city he has the added motive of investigating conner's disappearance. After defeating the suspected kidnappers, spidey discovers that they infact didn't take conners... leaving his disappearance a mystery.

Then you introduce the lizard, as the only paranormal/science fiction based character in the movie otherthan spidey himself. As the plot moves forward spidey eventually discovers conners and the lizard to be one and the same. Then ofcourse, conners would be cured some how and returned to his family. There could be more incentive and urgency for Parker to find/cure conners, if you create some medical problem that requires conner's assistance to cure.

Afterall, Spidey couldnt go to a regular doctor for a thorough examination without exposing his organic web shooters, velcro fingers or spider DNA.
So there's a struggle against the clock as Parker tries to cure conners so that conners can cure him.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

But I wouldn't mind if there was one villain, that's fine with me. Two villains could only work if they're both executed and connected. Kraven fits Lizard, Vulture would fit Lizard, though those two could be too big for one film.

Yeah, I see what you mean. It would sort of be like the "The hunter vs. the animal" type of story or something.

 

[Mutagen]

The Scorpion and the Rhino would be my choices.

 

[Hectorminator]

This is true, but last time they tried too hard. The theme of SM3 was forgiveness and redemption and we got a contrived, dare I say, blasphemous retcon on the origin so they could force a relationship between Pete and Marko. With that being said, what would be the theme of SM4 and what villain(s) would fit?

Yeah I've been on this for a while.

I'm thinking if they go with Lizard and Kraven, Spidey could try to cure Conners with an antidote, help Conners "fight the animal within." Try to convince him to remember his wife and son, stuff like at the end of Spider-Man 2 with Doc Ock.

And Kraven could bury Spider-Man alive, like in "Kraven's Last Hunt", and Spidey has to fight the urge to kill him when he breaks free. He would have to "fight the animal within."

I think it would fit well with the animal-theme of Spider-Man 4. Lizard, Spider, Hunter. That way Spidey could do more cool spidery things we all like.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Today Raimi let "slip" Spider-Man 4 will have either "A" villain or villains, and he pretty much knows who, it's a matter of how the final script looks.

I say it's Kraven first, and if another is present we finally get Kurt Connors alter-ego the Lizard!

What do you think? Only thing is no "torn" angst allowed!

Tear away!

Here are some of the classics below

The lizard Amazing Spider-Man #6 (November 1963)
Kraven Amazing Spider-Man #15 (August 1964)
Jackal Amazing Spider-Man #129 (February 1974)
Scorpion Amazing Spider-Man #20 (January 1965)
Rhino Amazing Spider-Man #41 (October 1966)
Electro Amazing Spider-Man #9 (February 1964)
Vulture Amazing Spider-Man #2 (May 1963)
Shocker Amazing Spider-Man #46 (March 1967)
Mysterio Amazing Spider-Man #13 (June 1964)
Chameleon ( Half Brother Of Kraven ) Amazing Spider-Man #1 (March 1963)
Doctor Octopus Amazing Spider-Man #3 (July 1963)
Beetle Strange Tales #123 (August, 1964)
Hammer head Amazing Spider-Man #113 (1972)
Morbius Amazing Spider-man #101 (October 1971)
Enforcers Amazing Spider-Man #10 (March 1964)
Terrible Tinkerer Amazing Spider-Man #2 (May 1963)
Kingpin ( Owned By Fox Studios, Not happening ) Amazing Spider-Man #50 (July 1967)

These are the only classic villians, every other villian was made in the 80's or 90's. So have your pick as to which ones can be used.

 

[Reikowolf]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

 

[Spider-Man '92]

Lizard and Kraven, if not that, then Electro.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.

 

[LightningFlash]

Zaboomafoo

And, of course, have Kraven hunt Z.

 

[thejon93]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.

I agree with 'NYS' on this, but... I hate to sound mean here, but this just sounds generic. I'm sorry, but when the only idea people have of introducing a villain is that he comes to NYC to hunt down Spider-Man but instead runs into The Lizard and the three are all involved in a conflict. That all just sounds generic to me because I've heard it more than many times already. I know that's pretty much the only arch the character has in the comic books. But remember, the more you have in the think-tank, the better the overall concept can turn out to be. When all we're coming up is this one concept, maybe Kraven's not the right villain to introduce in these films(or at this time, at least).

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I agree with 'NYS' on this, but... I hate to sound mean here, but this just sounds generic. I'm sorry, but when the only idea people have of introducing a villain is that he comes to NYC to hunt down Spider-Man but instead runs into The Lizard and the three are all involved in a conflict. That all just sounds generic to me because I've heard it more than many times already. I know that's pretty much the only arch the character has in the comic books. But remember, the more you have in the think-tank, the better the overall concept can turn out to be. When all we're coming up is this one concept, maybe Kraven's not the right villain to introduce in these films(or at this time, at least).

I think that could be twisted around where he comes to hunt The Lizard rather than Spider-Man, then it becomes the 3-way battle. I think you could introduce him toward the half-way point of the movie. I think they can explain this one better than SM3. Harry becomes New Goblin on the same night that Marko becomes Sandman and the Symbiote comes to earth. Just a strange coincidence there.

 

[Sentinel X]

The Scorpion and the Rhino would be my choices.

Mine too! They would be awesome. They both aren't A list villains but there is plenty of opportunity to make the A-listers and make them pretty awesome characters if good writing is used!

I am REALLY not feeling Lizard for SM4...Im just tired of the same damn story. Its going to turn out to be the same story with a different villain....where as if they use Rhino and Scorpion (or other villains of that sort)...at least the franchise can easily move the story in a different and fresh direction. Had Raimi not used the same "Im really a good guy!" plot device for his villains I would most likely not have such disdain for Lizard in Spidey 4

 

[Adrian89]

I hope Lizard, and maybe the Scorpion.

Same here. But if not, then Lizard & Kraven would also be a good choice.

 

[Reikowolf]

Well even if Kraven is there to hunt down spider-man, the character could still have a lot of meat to him.

IMO, they should totally reboot him for the movie.

Kraven is much older. in his early 60's
The man spent much of his life in Africa and was a big game hunter when he was younger. He is trained in various hunting methods and is known for studying the animal that he hunts to the point of even thinking what they think.

This is fleshed out as Kraven is considered a huge celebrity due to books he has written about animal social behavior and predator/prey relationships.

He is not physically formidable... but his experience and intellegence make him far more dangerous as Spider-Man has to this point dealt with all his villains primarily in a physical manner. (even though I wish he had used more of his intellect against Doc Ock... I mean.. it bothered me that Ock would go straight to violence)

He is in new york promoting his books and after the events of SM3 he has taken intrigue in spider-man. Many new yorkers no longer even know if he is human due to the confusion venom caused.

meanwhile the Lizard plot is fleshing out and this causes him to shift his interest to the lizard man of new york as this seems more of a fitting hunt for him.

I know the general sensus is that the lizard should attract Kraven... but I honestly think that Spider-man may be enough to intrigue him... plus it allows for the plot device of him being in NY instead of him hearing about the lizard from afar and then going to new york.

just my opinion though

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.

Nonsense ! It can work, look how x-men worked out and there were more than 6 characters invovled lol

 

[Reikowolf]

Nonsense ! It can work, look how x-men worked out and there were more than 6 characters invovled lol

exactly.

lets look how x-men worked out

-Angel as a throw away character
-the death of xavier
-the death of scott summers
-wolverine saving the day... YET AGAIN

I rest my case

 

[The Joker]

Every X-Men movie had characters that were neglected. Cyclops being the most notable.