The Amazing Spider-Man Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Venom 1988]

You know, if it was to turn out that he was Mysterio, many of you would be saying, great pick, great choice by Raimi, I knew it, Bruce Cambell QB FTW, yada yada yada.....

Please

I've been against the choice of him since those damn rumors started around SM3. Yet for some reason people think hes the perfect choice.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah, Right.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah, Right.

Yeah I am right. Is that too hard for you to wrap around you're head? Or do you just feel like being an ass today?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Dude... what's your problem?

 

[Venom 1988]

lol My problem?

I seem to recall you coming in here and making false accusations.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Dude... did I single you out, or did you just feel guity that it applied to you? Don't be a sensitive.... well you know, you should be use to it by now.

 

[SpeterMan3]

No, the only villain Bruce Campbell should play is Mysterio. Period.

Yeah, I agree, if any... but this just ified me.

I would love to see Bruce Campbell as Kraven, but since IM2 has wrapped I guess Micky R. is free to take the part.

 

[Venom 1988]

Dude... did I single you out, or did you just feel guity that it applied to you?

Oh yes that must be it. Thank you you've bought the truth to my eyes.

Don't be a sensitive.... well you know, you should be use to it by now.

This has nothing to do with people's feelings. I simply called out you're BS statement.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Whatever dude...

 

[Oscorp]

Dude... what's your problem?

Seriously, you started it. Who are you to say that we would be fine with something that we've clearly pointed out that we wouldn't like? I know I wouldn't because I wouldn't be able to take the villain seriously if Bruce would be him.

 

[Michael Frost]

How so? I mean, he's an amazing Villian. He has a wife and son that worry so much about him and his health, and when he becomes the Lizard, She cries and such. If it can work in the comics, I think it could work on film. It's right up Raimi's alley as well.

Having a worrying wife and son sure makes him an amazing villain...

Seriously here, a villain needs to have a good motivation, personality and must be somewhat relatable with the audience to be an effective villain.

Lizard has none of those.
No motivation, he hisses.
No personality, he hisses.
He isn't even relatable by the audience unless you're a big hissing guy.

The only thing that makes Lizard appealing is his human counterpart, Connors, which isn't a villain here, is he? If he wasn't tied to a person who is so close to the hero, he would immediatly drop to a C\D grade villain.

Also, from the general audience PoV, things like aliens and monsters instantly make a movie worse. Pop culture now instantly rejects genres that include those type of universes all of sudden.

I've explained this before:
A alien movie genre works for people because they're expecting to see aliens. They know what to expect. If you throw monsters or aliens all of sudden to people who are unfamiliar with the superhero universe, they will certainly go "Wtf?". Venom is a big example of this. He is a big breach in the before stablished universe of Spiderman because he comes from space, while everything that happened before was human conditioned, by science.
Lizard is another breach because, while you're still using science in his case, you're doing the Full Monty with him. You're turning him into a full science engineered monster. No human qualities are left for him.

While some stuff works in comics, it doesn't necessarily work well in movies. People forget about this. I certainly laughed when some people cried when they didn't get a giant man in a pink suit with a ridiculous hat in Fantastic Four 2. Their whole movie franchise is a big joke anyway, maybe that would had worked.

Anyway, concluding here, I'm not saying that I dislike Lizard. I actually love him in the comics and the games. As a main plot for an hour and a half or more of a movie, I have serious doubts tho. He doesn't strike me as something people want to see for a whole movie. If he is to get attention in a movie, we need a new villain to go with him. It needs to be done cleaverly or else it can seriously blow up in people's faces. I somehow doubt Raimi can handle more than one villain, after the ****fest that was the third movie.

 

[Brimay]

Having a worrying wife and son sure makes him an amazing villain...

Seriously here, a villain needs to have a good motivation, personality and must be somewhat relatable with the audience to be an effective villain.

Lizard has none of those.
No motivation, he hisses.
No personality, he hisses.
He isn't even relatable by the audience unless you're a big hissing guy.

The only thing that makes Lizard appealing is his human counterpart, Connors, which isn't a villain here, is he? If he wasn't tied to a person who is so close to the hero, he would immediatly drop to a C\D grade villain.

Also, from the general audience PoV, things like aliens and monsters instantly make a movie worse. Pop culture now instantly rejects genres that include those type of universes all of sudden.

I've explained this before:
A alien movie genre works for people because they're expecting to see aliens. They know what to expect. If you throw monsters or aliens all of sudden to people who are unfamiliar with the superhero universe, they will certainly go "Wtf?". Venom is a big example of this. He is a big breach in the before stablished universe of Spiderman because he comes from space, while everything that happened before was human conditioned, by science.
Lizard is another breach because, while you're still using science in his case, you're doing the Full Monty with him. You're turning him into a full science engineered monster. No human qualities are left for him.

While some stuff works in comics, it doesn't necessarily work well in movies. People forget about this. I certainly laughed when some people cried when they didn't get a giant man in a pink suit with a ridiculous hat in Fantastic Four 2. Their whole movie franchise is a big joke anyway, maybe that would had worked.

Anyway, concluding here, I'm not saying that I dislike Lizard. I actually love him in the comics and the games. As a main plot for an hour and a half or more of a movie, I have serious doubts tho. He doesn't strike me as something people want to see for a whole movie. If he is to get attention in a movie, we need a new villain to go with him. It needs to be done cleaverly or else it can seriously blow up in people's faces. I somehow doubt Raimi can handle more than one villain, after the ****fest that was the third movie.

People who don't know anything about spiderman should not watch this.
Plus REAL fans like i don't care if they think the lizard is an alien.
The fans just calls them noobs, and thats all they are.

Plus, symbiotes are infinity times more ridiculous than a man turning into to a halfman half lizard.

I also hate it when people say they think it would be weird to see people in purple costumes and blah blah blah, this only show me that those people have no imagination, and they would laugh at anything, and they only want reality.
Go look out the window, and theres your precious reality.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I'm just gonna try to change the subject so we can all calm down a bit.

Um...how do what do you guys think about James Vanderbilt being hired to write Spider-Man 5 and 6?

 

[SymbioticToxin]

I'm just gonna try to change the subject so we can all calm down a bit.

Um.... what do you guys think about James Vanderbilt being hired to write Spider-Man 5 and 6?

(Sorry, I double posted by accident.)

 

[david icke]

Having a worrying wife and son sure makes him an amazing villain...

Seriously here, a villain needs to have a good motivation, personality and must be somewhat relatable with the audience to be an effective villain.

Lizard has none of those.
No motivation, he hisses.
No personality, he hisses.
He isn't even relatable by the audience unless you're a big hissing guy.

The only thing that makes Lizard appealing is his human counterpart, Connors, which isn't a villain here, is he? If he wasn't tied to a person who is so close to the hero, he would immediatly drop to a C\D grade villain.

Also, from the general audience PoV, things like aliens and monsters instantly make a movie worse. Pop culture now instantly rejects genres that include those type of universes all of sudden.

I've explained this before:
A alien movie genre works for people because they're expecting to see aliens. They know what to expect. If you throw monsters or aliens all of sudden to people who are unfamiliar with the superhero universe, they will certainly go "Wtf?". Venom is a big example of this. He is a big breach in the before stablished universe of Spiderman because he comes from space, while everything that happened before was human conditioned, by science.
Lizard is another breach because, while you're still using science in his case, you're doing the Full Monty with him. You're turning him into a full science engineered monster. No human qualities are left for him.

Not true. I would point you to a classic Spider-man story when Stegron kidnaps Doc Conner's son. conners involuntarily turns into the Lizard through the anxiety of the situation and the Lizard goes after Stegron to rescue conner's son.
The Lizard still refers to him as 'Conner's son', but this still illustrates that he retains some of his human qualities.
He's a classic type of villan that has existed in literature for a very long time, like Jekyll and Hyde, a scientist tries to make himself better through some formula but unleashes a monsterous version of himself on the world.
It all depends how they handle it in the movie version, they can bring as many human qualities as they want into the Lizard character.

Him having a family increases the drama and indeed makes you empathise more with his situation as it brings home the fact that there is a loved family man within the monster that needs saving. (Edit: And much the same thing as the Jekyll/Hyde thing, it's an extention of the real life situations of a family member going off the rails and out of control, whether it's due to drink, drugs, joining a brainwashing cult, any of those things that can transform a family member into something else, while teh family hope that the person has some of their good qualities that can be reached and pulled back from the brink.)

As for the alien thing, what you say as a rule just isn't true.
If something is executed well an audience can accept it.
Spidey is a friendly neighbourhood superhero, but he has had his share of alien villans and if it's done well storywise there's no reason an alien influence can't be effective in a movie. They just did not do well introducing it in Spider-man3.

While some stuff works in comics, it doesn't necessarily work well in movies. People forget about this. I certainly laughed when some people cried when they didn't get a giant man in a pink suit with a ridiculous hat in Fantastic Four 2. Their whole movie franchise is a big joke anyway, maybe that would had worked.

Purple suit. And yeah, I'm sure the concept of a giant ape who fancies a human woman and tears through a city looking for her would be equally ridiculous onscreen, although that worked out very well for a groundbreaking movie back in the 1930s.

Maybe if that franchise had not been handled like a joke by the studio and had a better creative team Galactus could have worked out.
But we're stuck with the boring and unadventurous version that was spun off the Ultimate comics that was crap anyway. Better to go for broke with the superior original version, at least that had the chance of actually being great.

Anyway, concluding here, I'm not saying that I dislike Lizard. I actually love him in the comics and the games. As a main plot for an hour and a half or more of a movie, I have serious doubts tho. He doesn't strike me as something people want to see for a whole movie. If he is to get attention in a movie, we need a new villain to go with him. It needs to be done cleaverly or else it can seriously blow up in people's faces. I somehow doubt Raimi can handle more than one villain, after the ****fest that was the third movie.

That was 3 villans, and all things considered, he handled the circumstances of having a 3rd villan he didn't want to do forced on him by Avi Arad better than most directors I dare say. A villan with a very convulted backstory that would affect every step of the plot no less. Also, you have to consider he had to tie up all the loose ends of the trilogy , mainly the Osborn plot as well.
And who's to say he couldn't handle 2 villans? Based on the evidence he couldn't handle 3 villans means he couldn't handle 2? Or maybe the fact that he handled 1 villan, an origin story and introducing all the main characters of the universe in SM1 could mean he might have a chance of doing a great 2 villan story in an already established universe.

 

[zeptron]

And who's to say he couldn't handle 2 villans? Based on the evidence he couldn't handle 3 villans means he couldn't handle 2? Or maybe the fact that he handled 1 villan, an origin story and introducing all the main characters of the universe in SM1 could mean he might have a chance of doing a great 2 villan story in an already established universe.

Yeah. How to we know he can't handle two villains? For all we know SM4 could have two and end up being the best one.

SM3 was gonna have more than one villain regardless of what happened. We may have gotten a better movie than what we got if Arad hadn't interfered.

Man if Batman Forever and Batman & Robin didn't already give multiple villains in movies a bad name, SM3 sure did.

 

[bubbadoom]

Just look how adding "monsters" to the last two PIRATES movies killed that series!

 

[david icke]

Just look how adding "monsters" to the last two PIRATES movies killed that series!

I have not seen the 2nd and 3rd movies of that series, but was that really what took them off track? The critisicms I have read of them, and which have stopped me from seeking them out, have been the bad scripts and messy, confused, convulted plotting.

I don't see why bringing monsters into a fantasy/fairy tale type pirate movie is a bad idea inherently. Especially a Disney movie based on a theme ride, it's not 'Master and Commander'.
As said, it's all in the execution, how well something is written.
Spider-man3 would have been better off taking the plot from the 90s animated series with John Jameson's shuttle craft bringing something back from the moon, rather than a seemingly random meteorite landing right beside Peter Parker.
That's all the difference you need in making something alien more down to Earth and acceptable to audiences, giving a reason why it comes into contact with Spider-man other than random fate or chance.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I still say (even though this is my first time saying it) that the symbiote wanted Peter and directed the meteor to land near him.

 

[david icke]

I still say (even though this is my first time saying it) that the symbiote wanted Peter and directed the meteor to land near him.

That was my no-prize explanation for it too, although I expanded on it a little and said that it was the Beyonder sending the symbiote to Spider-man to test him and that could be explained in a future Secret Wars movie.

 

[Spiderine]

I still say (even though this is my first time saying it) that the symbiote wanted Peter and directed the meteor to land near him.

It seemed from my understanding that this sym was attracted to negative emotion and hate. And fed off of that. Peter was happy and at the top of the world when that thing hitched a ride on his bike. I think it was just coincidental and a very bad one the way it was written.

 

[Smit84]

I'm starting to feel certain that the Lizard will be the villain of Spider-man 4. The movie is less than half a year away from production and there ha been no casting news. Granted Alfred Molina was cast only a couple months before filming began on Spider-man 2 but Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace were cast almost a year before filming began on Spider-man 3. With the Lizard you already have someone cast two movies ago. There was also a rumor a while back than when we learn who the villain is we'll already know who is playing him.

In light of the most recent news about Spider-man 5 and 6, I could see Dr. Connors' transformation into the Lizard being viewed as unfinished business by Raimi. Besides he says he wants to please the fans and the Lizard seems to be the most requested villain.

It's possible there are two villains but I definately think the Lizard will be one.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I agree.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still say (even though this is my first time saying it) that the symbiote wanted Peter and directed the meteor to land near him.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

This is my opinion of course, but if it was said that we would already know who would play the villain when the annouced it, would that officially mean Lizard. Bare with me here, but what about Man-Wolf? Remembe, the director si the same guy who made Evil Dead. He's into to the supernatural, and Werewolves are pretty supernatural. And John Jameson's been in SM2. Wouldn't that make him a good enough candidate for it?