OFFICIAL Wolverine and The X-men Gallery Thread

[TheVileOne]

Dread you should be writing history of comic animated series books or something.

 

[Dread]

Dread you should be writing history of comic animated series books or something.

I just care passionately about them.

Obtaining the rights would be a mess and no one'd buy it.

 

[TheVileOne]

You should pitch the stuff to the companies and write them with approval .

Also if you are a scholar, its not about obtaining rights really. It's about properly sourcing your material and not plagiarizing.

 

[Retroman]

A storyboard panel courtesy of artist Michael Borkowski.

Source: http://www.michaelborkowski.com/illustration/wolvie.html
http://www.michaelborkowski.com/bio/index.html

 

[Silver Knight]

^Sweet pic.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nice. Even the storyboards for this show look extra awesome .

 

[Dread]

That's a good storyboard.

Some people mentioned why some fans, myself included, bemoan repeated uses of the Phoenix Saga while going along with repeated story elements like the Sentinels. For me, it is probably because the Phoenix Saga almost feels like an aside. It started out as Claremont doing a space story, and the ramifications to it, and then it has been rehashed to death. Plus, it seems to be Jean Grey's only story element that sets her apart from "token female" and it can get irksome.

Sentinels, on the other hand, represent the iconic "mutants vs. humans who fear/hate them" angle. There are no aliens or whatnot.

 

[Majik1387]

How many times has Phoenix's story actually been done?

 

[The Weather God]

Only once and it was over a decade ago. If you don't count the films, which didn't really focus on the phoenix saga.

 

[BMM]

Beyond the books, it's been done once on television (1994) and once on film (2006).

 

[Majik1387]

How many times in the books?

I read part of Warsong, and the Days of Tomorrow or something, where Beast is white and evil. And of course the original story itself. I don't count Ultimates. So other than those 3(ok 4) times, has it happened again?

 

[BMM]

In the mid 80s, Madelyne Pryor is briefly believed to be Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix reincarnated. Then, during Inferno it is revealed that she really is connected to Jean Grey and the Phoenix arc, which recalls and sheds new light on the original story. For a good chunk of the 90s the writers manage to leave the Jean Grey/Phoenix arc alone... until the late 90s when she starts wearing the Phoenix costume again and displaying Phoenix like powers again. After that, the writers begin toying with new ways to approach Jean's relationship with Phoenix, until she becomes Phoenix again, and then dies again. After that, there are the recent storylines you mentioned--Here Comes Tomorrow, Endsong, and Warsong. Basically, save for the early-mid 90s, it seems almost everything regarding Jean Grey is connected to the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline in some way.

 

[TheVileOne]

The way Jean was brought back was also garbage. And it also proves that Cyclops is an *******. Not a bad character. Just more of an ******* *****e bag that fans won't always own up to. So whenever Logan would hit on Jean, I see no problem with it on account of Cyke's *****e-bagginess.

 

[Dread]

The way Jean was brought back was also garbage. And it also proves that Cyclops is an *******. Not a bad character. Just more of an ******* *****e bag that fans won't always own up to. So whenever Logan would hit on Jean, I see no problem with it on account of Cyke's *****e-bagginess.

Yeah, it takes a special kind of class to abandon your wife and son for a while to go form a team with your revived ex.

Not to mention that Logan's never made out with a woman on her grave, like Cyke did. Thanks, Morrison.

As for the Phoenix Saga, the 90's cartoon did it. X-MEN EVOLUTION alluded to it (which counts if Vile can claim the finale counts as "showing that Pietro and Wanda become good"), and X-MEN 3 did a half-assed attempt at it. The comics have rehashed it a few times, with Jean showing tendancies to the ol' bird symbol during the 90's and naturally Morrison's NXM dove into that, and Claremont's stories in XM:THE END went into it. I just get tired of it. People wouldn't have been so quick to replace her with Emma Frost if Jean could have become an interesting character without the Phoenix. She usually wasn't, and in a way it wasn't her fault; she was very much the "token girl" when the original X-Men were written and naturally the Phoenix came in soon after Giant-Size relaunched them. And naturally, even after Claremont left the book after 19 years, most writers have just rehashed his work. Even Claremont himself.

 

[The Weather God]

As for the Phoenix Saga, the 90's cartoon did it. X-MEN EVOLUTION alluded to it (which counts if Vile can claim the finale counts as "showing that Pietro and Wanda become good"),

Wanda became good during the conclusion of the story arc, Pietro and the rest of the brotherhood only came to help her. Jean was only shown in a future glimpse evolving into phoenix. The overall story arc never touched the screen, and even wanda was shown back with the brotherhood in the future glimpses. So in other words that does not count as a phoenix saga.

The films focused very(and I mean Very) loosely on the phoenix saga, it was neither a main plot in x2 or x3 and the story actually focused on omega level Jean instead of phoenix Jean. So again I honestly don't really count that as a phoenix saga. The only phoenix saga i believe that made it to the video media was the 90s series which was done over a decade ago.

 

[TheVileOne]

We saw the brief silhouette of the Phoenix at the end of X-men 2, and that was it. There was no actual PHOENIX power in X-men 3, besides Xavier calling Jean's split personality the Phoenix.

 

[JP]

To me.. the Phoenix saga was done only ONCE outside of the comics and that was in the 90's series.. which was basically the comics in animated form.

 

[wolfboy]

Why did they make Wolverine tall instead of his comic book height?

 

[The Weather God]

I think they've kicked up his height since the films. They did the same in evolution.

 

[BMM]

Wolverine looks about the right height here. It does look like they've made him a bit taller than his official height in other screenshots though. Then again, even the comic book artists don't really draw him as being 5'3''. Sometimes, I don't think they realize just how short that is, or they make a conscious effort to disregard it.

 

[wolfboy]

Not really. Beast looks shorter than him. They just pasted stills of each character in that pic. Bring them all the to same ground level.

 

[BMM]

Not really. Beast looks shorter than him. They just pasted stills of each character in that pic. Bring them all the to same ground level.

If the other characters come to the forefront, they should get bigger--not smaller. Granted, if the background characters are on a raised surfaced then they should come down in height, but they should also get bigger as they come forward from the background.

 

[wolfboy]

Check out the teaser trailer on youtube.

 

[BMM]

I know. I already conceded that it looks like they made Wolverine taller than his official height otherwise. I just said that he looks about the right height in the one promotional image.

 

[wolfboy]

The whole idea of the show is funny. The 90s show always made Wolverine the team deserter. He's suppose to be a loner and in this show he's like the leader. Cyke gets shafted yet again.