Comics Official X-FACTOR Discussion Thread

[squeekness]

It's a one shot, of course they aren't staying.

 

[chris moore]

Nothin' stopping them getting called in to investigate whenever something comes up. Especially seeing as a lot of the mutants on Utopia are likely to distrust the "ruling body" as being able to look at any of their own as guilty of anything that goes wrong.

 

[Psykoelf]

When did Layla (adult) turn up again post return from the future? Artist blooper or have I totally missed something?

 

[Specter313]

When did Layla (adult) turn up again post return from the future? Artist blooper or have I totally missed something?

At the very end of issue #200.

 

[The Englishman]

I love X-Factors current costume designs....t:

 

[Psykoelf]

At the very end of issue #200.

Really? I read it, but don't recall that, not that I'm doubting you. Where was I?

 

[Specter313]

Really? I read it, but don't recall that, not that I'm doubting you. Where was I?

Layla showed up in Longshot's vision when he used his powers try and find out what happened to Sue Storm. She was able to see him, which shouldn't be able to happen since he sees what happens in the past, and said she knows stuff, I believe.

 

[Manic]

That's kinda inconsistent, isn't it? At the end of #50, Adult Layla injects Kid Layla with all of her memories, meaning all of the stuff Layla knew from issues #1-50 were the result of a big ol' time paradox. Layla only knows stuff because a future version of her implanted knowledge of stuff she learned when a future version of herself implanted her with knowledge of stuff. Paradox.

So why does she still know stuff that's unrelated to that? Like the fact that Longshot was going to psychometrically see her? And for that matter, why did Layla know stuff completely unrelated to her? Like during the Layla Miller one-shot issue, she knew what Jamie was doing in the past, and even repeated the "one of us, one of us" chant that Jamie imagined in his head a few issues earlier.

I'm beginning to think Layla will continue to know stuff for no apparent reason, and that PAD only came up with that inconsistent future/past exchange of knowledge as an excuse for editors to let him bring the character back to the present. Because I specifically remember an interview where PAD said he had to fully explain his upcoming storyline to the editors after they read the script to #40 where Adult Layla first showed up in the present day, or he wouldn't be able to go through with it.

 

[Specter313]

Actually, I remember Layla explaining it to her younger self when she was going to implant the knowledge in her. She used her time in the future gathering all the knowledge for the next 80 or so years leading up the the point when she pulled Jamie into the future and put it all into that device to inject into her younger self, that way she'll know things that won't happen to just her. But, like she also said, due to the sheer volume of knowledge and her brain still being so young, she won't remember it all and will have gaps.

 

[Manic]

Actually, I remember Layla explaining it to her younger self when she was going to implant the knowledge in her. She used her time in the future gathering all the knowledge for the next 80 or so years leading up the the point when she pulled Jamie into the future and put it all into that device to inject into her younger self, that way she'll know things that won't happen to just her. But, like she also said, due to the sheer volume of knowledge and her brain still being so young, she won't remember it all and will have gaps.

Right, but Layla knew stuff that she had no business knowing. Like, how did she know Jamie was imagining her saying "one of us, one of us" while they were 70-something years away from one another? How does her knowledge of events allow her to time her actions so well? I could go back to relive yesterday, but there's no way I'd be able to perfectly time my actions to do things a certain way. Why was it so important for Huber to create an android (or whatever that little French girl was) with randomized actions to fool Layla's ability to predict the future?

I've got a doozy for you:
1. When Layla first met Quicksilver, she "knew" coaxing a gang into attacking him would cause Quicksilver to get killed. However, Quicksilver evaded death and instead used his wacky terrigen powers to give those thugs their powers back temporarily. Layla said (not to anybody but herself) that somehow Quicksilver being closely related to Wanda might've given him enough of a chaos factor to make him unpredictable. That's not a gap in knowledge. That's "stuff" she knows turning out differently.
2. Later on, Quicksilver would kidnap Layla. Layla managed to escape, and she used her ability to "know stuff" to trick Quicksilver into accidentally knocking himself out on a merry-go-round.

Now I ask you: If Layla's knowledge works on the principle that she's just remembering stuff her future self went through, wouldn't she have known that her actions wouldn't have killed Quicksilver because she knew she'd be escaping his clutches much later?

Early on, it was heavily implied that Layla's knowledge of "stuff" was somehow given to her at convenient times. She'd sometimes talk to herself as if she couldn't believe something she'd just found out. She told people she couldn't tell them how she knew stuff, or she'd be struck down. If one of her predictions went wrong, she'd somehow develop an all new prediction to account for new variables. She straight-up told Rictor once that her ability to see the future works like the butterfly effect (hence her rarely used codename, Butterfly), and that she sees events and how to change them.

But now suddenly it's "oh, I'm running off of memories from my future self." That makes no sense. If you look at everything together, it looks like PAD changed the origin of how Layla knows stuff.

 

[bryanss3]

To be fair if she replied when asked "how do you know all this stuff?" with "Well me from the future injected all these memories into me" it would have killed all the future story telling. Plus her Name is Layla Miller not Honest Abe. She was most likely lying. But that's enough defense on that subject from me cause I really didn't like the outcome of issue #50. I'd really like this book to be in a different place than it is right now. Future covers/solicits are intriguing, but I'm really not in to the current story(#200) the plot with Monet seems really forced, PAD forcing F4 into this book it started with Doom in the future now in the current story and Doom is on another cover so he'll be back and it'll probably tie into the previous story, but on the upside The art is better.

 

[Specter313]

X-FACTOR #201

Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by BING CANSINO
Cover by DAVID YARDIN
Something is rotten in the state of Latveria. How does it relate to the disappearance of the Invisible Woman? How does it involve Layla Miller, and is she now an ally of Doctor Doom, with all of her precious knowledge at his disposal? Will Madrox learn exactly who is buried beneath that mysterious grave? And will you buy the issue in order to find out? We dunno; what're we, psychic?
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

 

[Manic]

I want to see M and Guy become wise-crackin' buddies with this. Well, not buddies (this is M we're talking about). I just wouldn't mind a friendship that consisted of mutual barb trading.

 

[OutcryX]

including the boring ass fantastic four and their adversaries only makes this book even less appealing. awesome cast (aside from siryn)..overrated writer

 

[Manic]

You... you don't like the Fantastic Four?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Outcry, I seriously recommend the last 2 issues since Hickman started writing the book. Unless you just find the characters boring, in that case I can't help ya lol

 

[OutcryX]

i do find the characters boring. lol. i can enjoy 3/4ths of them..but reed richards is just creepy to me

 

[Manic]

Between Hickman trying to get Reed past his overall dickishness, Franklin getting his powers back, Val becoming a 2 year old super-genius, and Eaglesham's artwork, I'd say Fantastic Four has been doing pretty well these past few months. I just wish Johnny, Ben, and Sue would get a fraction of the spotlight time Reed gets without them just being used to say something stupid, say something folksy before a fight, and nag (respectively).

 

[chamber-music]

Franklin and Val have been good lately. FF kind of reminds me of that 90s Lost In Space movie at the moment.

I want to see Husk, Monet and Jubilee reunion

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Jubilee won't even come close to Utopia for some reason. She got a verbal asian on asian lashing from Surge and left a letter for Wolverine with a guy on a dock.

And Husk's busy playing second fiddle to Rogue like everyone else in Legacy. A Generation X reunion period (what's left of them anyways) would be nice though.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Jubes can go kick rocks

 

[chamber-music]

Jubilee won't even come close to Utopia for some reason. She got a verbal asian on asian lashing from Surge and left a letter for Wolverine with a guy on a dock.

And Husk's busy playing second fiddle to Rogue like everyone else in Legacy. A Generation X reunion period (what's left of them anyways) would be nice though.

The current X-kids 'my friends are dead' angst is getting old fast. I'm tired of them mouthing off the older X-Men. Alot of those kids can't die quick enough for me.

 

[Havok83]

The current X-kids 'my friends are dead' angst is getting old fast. I'm tired of them mouthing off the older X-Men. Alot of those kids can't die quick enough for me.

same here. I have that the X-brats have so little respect for the senior members. Im more pissed how quickly they got elevated to full X-man status when it took most of the New Mutants over 20 years and Gen X for the most part got pushed aside

 

[Manic]

The New/Young kids only got pushed up to full X-Men status so quickly because their book got cancelled. If Young X-Men was still going, the only teens we'd be seeing in the core X-books would be Armor and Pixie in their "new Kitty" roles. And of course the cannon fodder kids Rogue is watching over in The Rogue Show Starring Rogue.

 

[Havok83]

The New/Young kids only got pushed up to full X-Men status so quickly because their book got cancelled. If Young X-Men was still going, the only teens we'd be seeing in the core X-books would be Armor and Pixie in their "new Kitty" roles. And of course the cannon fodder kids Rogue is watching over in The Rogue Show Starring Rogue.

Young X-men were considered X-men though. It debuted right after Messiah Complex and Cyclops said that none of them were students anymore and were full fledge X-men. Young X-men was just that; a group of young Xmen with a title. We saw them in the minis like Secret Invasion and one shots fighting alongside the rest of the big guns before the book cancellation