Comics Official X-Men Forever Thread

[roach]

so Scott cheating on Emma is awesome and cool but Jean having feelings for Logan that she had for the longest is bad?????

 

[Manic]

I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who endorsed Scott & Emma way back in, say, 2003. That relationship had to grow on a lot of us. And that took a few years.

 

[roach]

i seemed to recall alot of people back then did endorse it

 

[Manic]

And now you're one of the people defending this ridiculous relationship. It all balances out.

 

[roach]

well this is an alternate reality.....just like in mirror mirror on Star Trek.

 

[Manic]

Spock's goatee looked ridiculous.

 

[roach]

Spock was the shiznit with his goatee...and Sulu liked women in Mirror Mirror

 

[Manic]

Good Sulu = Gay
Evil Sulu = Straight

They always said Star Trek was a progressive show...

 

[roach]

hmmmm hey your right

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Talking of Spock...

owned lol.

Picked up this issue... saw the cover and got carried away by nostalgia over common sense.
Anyway... I was under the impression this continued straight from after X-Men 3... When the **** was Jean secretly madly in love with Logan? Sure there was always a bit of attraction between them but it was never really more than that, it always seemed it was much more on Wolverines part anyway. But all this having fantasys about them being madly in love together business was a bit out of nowhere. Have i just forgotten something? Apart from the cartoon I didn't think it had ever really been played up that much in the comics.

Good to see Claremonts got a fresh slate with Gambit to make him the cool character he always intended him to be... and within about 2 panels he becomes a pansy whining after Rogue just like the 616 Gambit.

Also... when did Cortez get the ability to drain peoples energy? I thought he just amplified their powers? and when the fek could he take on the whole X-Men team singlehandedly. The fact Gambit beat him just by hitting him with a stick showed how daft it was.

All in all, pretty lame. Art was quite good though. Them all stood around with Fury with Cortez on the screen was trying a bit too hard to be X-Men1. Like most Claremont books, by about 3/4 into the book i just started skimming half the dialogue as theres just too damn much of it you just get bored of the comic and want to finish it and move onto another.

 

[returntovoid]

It makes sense that Chris Claremont would kill off Wolverine because at the time when John Byrne was the artist for Uncanny X-Men, Chris Claremont wanted to kill off Wolverine but John Byrne stopped him from doing so because he himself was Canadian and he liked the character of Wolverine (who was also Canadian).

 

[squeekness]

Why does CC hate Logan? Or did he want to do it just for the ratings?

 

[returntovoid]

Why does CC hate Logan? Or did he want to do it just for the ratings?

That I don't know.

 

[roach]

CC didnt think there was much to that character until JB convinced him to keep him. He didnt like the whole "killer" mentality he had

 

[Havok83]

Why does CC hate Logan? Or did he want to do it just for the ratings?

CC doesnt hate Logan. I think he's actually one of CC's favorites

 

[javi1024]

but he did want to kill him right after he was brought in in GS X-Men. he didn't think kids wanted to read about him- and after 30 years he was totally right

 

[TheVileOne]

In the 1980's, Claremont and Millar did one of the best Wolverine stories ever.

I dunno. I don't think Jean's attraction to Logan in this AU series seems any different really. And look what Cyclops did after the Phoenix saga. Not to mention Psylocke.

 

[Havok83]

but he did want to kill him right after he was brought in in GS X-Men. he didn't think kids wanted to read about him- and after 30 years he was totally right

That was over 30 years ago. People's opinions of characters change, especially after writing them for so long. Heck look at us as comic readers.

 

[squeekness]

but he did want to kill him right after he was brought in in GS X-Men. he didn't think kids wanted to read about him- and after 30 years he was totally right

People buy Wolverine stuff as soon as it hits the shelves, myself included. Wolverine has evolved quite a bit since then (depending on who's writing him anyhow...)

 

[Havok83]

In the 1980's, Claremont and Millar did one of the best Wolverine stories ever.

I dunno. I don't think Jean's attraction to Logan in this AU series seems any different really. And look what Cyclops did after the Phoenix saga. Not to mention Psylocke.

really? Back in the late 80s/early 90s, you saw Jean in love with Logan, only settling for Scott, while openly displaying her affection and attraction for him in front of teammates and willing to put him first above Scott?

 

[roach]

yes he hated him...byrne convinced him to work with the character

 

[roach]

really? Back in the late 80s/early 90s, you saw Jean in love with Logan, only settling for Scott, while openly displaying her affection and attraction for him in front of teammates and willing to put him first above Scott?

they have kissed a few times in front of others and she always had to fight herself. Now not to the extent being shown in XMF but if the Scott and Emma romance can happen overnight why cant this one when she is attracted to him.....plus its an alternate reality and next issue makes it all moot anyhow

 

[roach]

People buy Wolverine stuff as soon as it hits the shelves, myself included. Wolverine has evolved quite a bit since then (depending on who's writing him anyhow...)

while I like the character I do not like him when he is this high invincible god that can heal from being cast into the sun and other crazy nonsense like that.Wolverine at best should be about a man struggling to tame the beast within himself while attempting to be a hero

 

[Manic]

I think Hank McCoy has recently cornered the "tame the beast within" market.

 

[Havok83]

they have kissed a few times in front of others and she always had to fight herself. Now not to the extent being shown in XMF but if the Scott and Emma romance can happen overnight why cant this one when she is attracted to him.....plus its an alternate reality and next issue makes it all moot anyhow

There have only been 4 kisses between them (2 by the time this issue took place) and the one during Inferno was the only public one. She didnt have to fight herself; she fought him literally as she TK blasted him off of her