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[Sloth7d]

Hmmm... it seemed to me that after he beat up tony and ecaped to the sewers, he was pursued and 'softened up' by multiple shield agents (read punisher: war journal) before being attacked by Jester and Jack o Lantern.

However, there are still several inconsistencies between the titles which - when read as a whole - detract from the enjoyable experience that it should be.

What happened in war journal?

 

[Rambo, John J]

What happened in war journal?

(Going from memory here)

Basically Frank is being hunted by shield and he escapes to the sewers. While there (and using a tracker designed to track suits and/or costumes that have been upgraded or enhanced with Starktech - think this may also extend to the blood nanobots - he notices a single signal being pursued by multiple others. The single one - (Spidey) - eventually loses the rest - (Shield) - bar two - (Jester and Jack o lantern). The rest we know.

 

[Themanofbat]

I just reread Civil War #5, and in reality, the ONLY inconsistency I can see of (in regards to Spidey), is when he encounters that little exploding toy. His Spider-Sense should have warned him ahead of time, but let's face it... his Spider-Sense has NEVER been able to tell him WHAT the danger is... just that danger is emminent. It's quite possible that his Spider-Sense was already off the charts being pursued by SHIELD agents in the sewers (not to mention the gators ).... and the explosion was big enough that even if he did have time to jump out of the way, where was he going to jump? He was blown through the wall. He could have webbed the little toy up, but it appears to have really caught him off guard (yet another stab against his Spider-Sense, but I have to believe it was already off the charts).

And even a stunned Peter Parker (it really was a big explosion) can get caught in some hallucinagen gas by Madd Jack (we've seen Peter suck up gas before from other villainous pumpkin throwers), and it's more credible that theu can get the upper hand once he's gassed.

It's the Spider-Sense/toy bomb thing that bothers me the most, but what's done is done.

I hope the rest of the story can kick into higher gear.

 

[Cullen]

I just reread Civil War #5, and in reality, the ONLY inconsistency I can see of (in regards to Spidey), is when he encounters that little exploding toy. His Spider-Sense should have warned him ahead of time, but let's face it... his Spider-Sense has NEVER been able to tell him WHAT the danger is... just that danger is emminent. It's quite possible that his Spider-Sense was already off the charts being pursued by SHIELD agents in the sewers (not to mention the gators ).... and the explosion was big enough that even if he did have time to jump out of the way, where was he going to jump? He was blown through the wall. He could have webbed the little toy up, but it appears to have really caught him off guard (yet another stab against his Spider-Sense, but I have to believe it was already off the charts).

And even a stunned Peter Parker (it really was a big explosion) can get caught in some hallucinagen gas by Madd Jack (we've seen Peter suck up gas before from other villainous pumpkin throwers), and it's more credible that theu can get the upper hand once he's gassed.

It's the Spider-Sense/toy bomb thing that bothers me the most, but what's done is done.

I hope the rest of the story can kick into higher gear.

That sounds remotely plausable to me. Had I been enjoying the series, I might well have latched on to that one myself.

 

[Dragon]

I just reread Civil War #5, and in reality, the ONLY inconsistency I can see of (in regards to Spidey), is when he encounters that little exploding toy. His Spider-Sense should have warned him ahead of time, but let's face it... his Spider-Sense has NEVER been able to tell him WHAT the danger is... just that danger is emminent. It's quite possible that his Spider-Sense was already off the charts being pursued by SHIELD agents in the sewers (not to mention the gators ).... and the explosion was big enough that even if he did have time to jump out of the way, where was he going to jump? He was blown through the wall. He could have webbed the little toy up, but it appears to have really caught him off guard (yet another stab against his Spider-Sense, but I have to believe it was already off the charts).

And even a stunned Peter Parker (it really was a big explosion) can get caught in some hallucinagen gas by Madd Jack (we've seen Peter suck up gas before from other villainous pumpkin throwers), and it's more credible that theu can get the upper hand once he's gassed.

It's the Spider-Sense/toy bomb thing that bothers me the most, but what's done is done.

I hope the rest of the story can kick into higher gear.

Spidey knows that danger is coming from a given direction, which is why he can dodge bullets. His spider sense isn't buzzing every second if the danger isn't imminent.

And he could have webbed the toy and tossed it, and moved in the opposite direction. With his strength he could've gotten it far enough away from him to not cause him danger.

And the Ironman fight was inconsistent for both IM and Spidey. I mean, okay, so Spidey figured out that the armor was rigged. So why did he wear it all? Why was IM's system so easily damaged, considering that so much of CW rides on the efficiency of his technology?

 

[Sloth7d]

My favorite part is still--
Ironman: Did you think I'd give you a suit so powerful without any fail safes?
lolz. Petes been gettin his ass continuously whipped eversince he got that darn thing.

 

[Themanofbat]

Spidey knows that danger is coming from a given direction, which is why he can dodge bullets. His spider sense isn't buzzing every second if the danger isn't imminent.

And he could have webbed the toy and tossed it, and moved in the opposite direction. With his strength he could've gotten it far enough away from him to not cause him danger.

And the Ironman fight was inconsistent for both IM and Spidey. I mean, okay, so Spidey figured out that the armor was rigged. So why did he wear it all? Why was IM's system so easily damaged, considering that so much of CW rides on the efficiency of his technology?

Well, like I said, the whole Spider-Sense (or lack thereof) is what bugs me the most.

And as far as the Spidey/Iron Man fight goes, Peter gets smashed out the window in CW #5. I'll have to assume that between the end of ASM #535 when Iron Man smashes his way in and then when they're just standing there in CW #5, there was a minor tussle. And after Peter gets blown out the window in CW #5, Iron Man flies out and they resume their fight which we see at the begining in ASM #536.

It's stretching... and I know that it's stretching, but it's the only way I can make this whole thing work.

Otherwise, I'll get bad ulcers if I keep getting disgusted every time I read Spidey. (and trust me, my pallette ain't that satiated these last few years).

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

(Going from memory here)

Basically Frank is being hunted by shield and he escapes to the sewers. While there (and using a tracker designed to track suits and/or costumes that have been upgraded or enhanced with Starktech - think this may also extend to the blood nanobots - he notices a single signal being pursued by multiple others. The single one - (Spidey) - eventually loses the rest - (Shield) - bar two - (Jester and Jack o lantern). The rest we know.

Hey, did it seem to you like Frank killed The Tinkerer as well in that issue? Couldnt tell if he was dead, or if Frank just incapacitated him....

If Tinkerer's dead, then The Punisher certainly has returned to the Marvel Superhero Universe with a bang. He's wasted Stiltman, Jester, Jack o' Lantern, and (maybe) The Tinkerer...i dont recall him EVER killing any pre-established super villains before. Am i forgetting any?

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Well, like I said, the whole Spider-Sense (or lack thereof) is what bugs me the most.

And as far as the Spidey/Iron Man fight goes, Peter gets smashed out the window in CW #5. I'll have to assume that between the end of ASM #535 when Iron Man smashes his way in and then when they're just standing there in CW #5, there was a minor tussle. And after Peter gets blown out the window in CW #5, Iron Man flies out and they resume their fight which we see at the begining in ASM #536.

It's stretching... and I know that it's stretching, but it's the only way I can make this whole thing work.

Otherwise, I'll get bad ulcers if I keep getting disgusted every time I read Spidey. (and trust me, my pallette ain't that satiated these last few years).

IMO, it made enough sense to me, and I read the issues back to back.

-Iron Man attacks Spider-Man in Avengers Tower (ASM #535).
-Spider-Man and Iron Man tussle, with Spider-Man being blown out of the window (kind of bogus; CW #5).
-Spidey lands on the street below, Iron Man goes against SHIELD "orders" and goes after him anyway. The two fight a bit (ASM #536).
-Peter escapes into the sewers (ASM #536, CW #5).
-Peter is attacked and nearly captured by the Jester and Jack O' Lantern, only to be saved by the Punisher and taken to a secure location (CW #5).
-Something happens that, apparently, we'll have to wait until CW #6 to see. Presumably Peter recovers.
-Peter, Aunt May, and MJ check into a sleazy motel. Peter goes on-air and denounces the Registration Act (ASM #536).

To be honest, from a STORY standpoint, the events seem to match up for the most part IMO - with the exception of the day/night discrepancy and Pete's sudden exhaustion between the fight with Iron Man in ASM #536 and the encounter with the new Thunderbolts in CW #5 (unless there are any others?). For the most part, the only inconsistencies here are the usual character flaws that we've become accustomed to in the past few years.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Hey, did it seem to you like Frank killed The Tinkerer as well in that issue? Couldnt tell if he was dead, or if Frank just incapacitated him....

If Tinkerer's dead, then The Punisher certainly has returned to the Marvel Superhero Universe with a bang. He's wasted Stiltman, Jester, Jack o' Lantern, and (maybe) The Tinkerer...i dont recall him EVER killing any pre-established super villains before. Am i forgetting any?

They really didn't come right out and say if The Tinkerer was dead or not, just that he wasn't involved in the Stiltman upgrade.

And I don't really see what people are still all fussy about. Most of the people around here were foaming at the mouth about the new costume and in ASM # 536 he ditches it and is wearing the old red and blues again. He had a further encounter with Iron Man, and as Rambo pointed out had a lot more battle with SHIELD agents from the pages of Punisher War Journal.

I'm actually SURPRISED at the continuity in this event so far, compared to how Marvel's continuity was BEFORE. It's not saying much but sweet mother mercy of the Comic Gods this is a step in the right direction.

Yes, people overreacted...it was great...and some posters are STILL overreacting.

 

[Kevin]

You can never win with some people. That's why at that point, I say "f**k 'em!"

 

[HoratioRome]

Man it must be amazing to go through life without a clue. We might need to come up with a new term fro some people because "idiot" just doesn't seem to cut it anymore.
jeez

 

[Kevin]

Are you calling me an idiot? Or at least something more?

 

[Fathermithras]

Consistency people. Spidey was hit hard by Iron man, shot by shield agents and fell off a building. He got up, beat up Iron man for a bit, and got ambushed. I liked this issue alot, because spidey did pretty well all things considering. Spider-man is gonna get beat up, and I don't see why that pisses people off. On another note, doesn't anyone recall thw "white noise" problem he's been having with his spider sense? Due to the constant danger, his spider-sense is almost constantly at some level of buzz, explaining how he's been doing poorly in that regard. gotta actually read this stuff before you whine about things that are addressed.

 

[Fathermithras]

"I'm actually SURPRISED at the continuity in this event so far, compared to how Marvel's continuity was BEFORE. It's not saying much but sweet mother mercy of the Comic Gods this is a step in the right direction."

I have to agree, my brother literally purchases everything is civil war. I've been disapointed with Mavel for a while, but except for the Heroes for Hire comic, Civil war has been pretty damn good. Only complaint is the redundancy of some comics that tell the same story. I've really liked the treatment Spidey's been given. The whole registration has been very ambiguous, and like many people in real life's reaction to the current events the comic represents, ALOT of good people go along with what's deep down pretty bad. Spidey did at first, but felt guilty and has now switched sides. Yet we have tons of people here *****ing about how Spidey wasn't Superman perfect on an ambiguous moral issue involving two sides with folks VERY close to him.

 

[Sloth7d]

"I'm actually SURPRISED at the continuity in this event so far, compared to how Marvel's continuity was BEFORE. It's not saying much but sweet mother mercy of the Comic Gods this is a step in the right direction."

I have to agree, my brother literally purchases everything is civil war. I've been disapointed with Mavel for a while, but except for the Heroes for Hire comic, Civil war has been pretty damn good.

Your opinion offically sucks now.

 

[Cullen]

Man it must be amazing to go through life without a clue. We might need to come up with a new term fro some people because "idiot" just doesn't seem to cut it anymore.
jeez

Okay, I've had this happen on another forum, and I'm not seeing it start up here. NO ONE IS USING MY NAME AS SOMETHING WORSE THAN IDIOT! It's just not funny.

It ends now, people.

I'm serious.

 

[Rambo, John J]

Hey, did it seem to you like Frank killed The Tinkerer as well in that issue? Couldnt tell if he was dead, or if Frank just incapacitated him....

Hmmm... Not too sure Cap. (Again - going from memory) My impression was that he left him alive. Bear in mind however, I read it after i'd downed a few (well... more than a few) pints and haven't had a chance to look at it since.

 

[HoratioRome]

Okay, I've had this happen on another forum, and I'm not seeing it start up here. NO ONE IS USING MY NAME AS SOMETHING WORSE THAN IDIOT! It's just not funny.

It ends now, people.

I'm serious.

t: t: t: not a bad idea

 

[MaxCarnage]

t: t: t: not a bad idea

Sounds like a cullen idea to me.

 

[HoratioRome]

Sounds like a cullen idea to me.

t: t: t:

 

[Cullen]

Sounds like a cullen idea to me.

Come on you guys!t:t:t:

 

[Miss Webb]

Anyone find it funny as hell Jack O Lantern's head was a REAL pumpkin? I mean, what was his brain? How did that thing function. It was weird after the punisher blasted him.

Pies, everybody?

 

[Vile]

It doesnt matter - the Powers That Be refuse to give ol' Jack o'Lantern a definitive identity.

One day he's a standard merc doing anything for money (nameless person) the next he's suddenly a calculating cool schemer who enjoys to mess with people's minds and money doesnt really matter (maguire beck.)

It flip flops every week, and is just a tad annoying.

He'll be back in a month or two when they need to throw a villain in.

 

[Won '08]

I know seriously.

Everyone here does know that this fight is being shown in two places right? Also that the main Civil War title is pretty much just and overview and quick summary of events that are shown in detail in other titlles right (Amazing Spider-man and Fantastic Four for example as the main ones)?

Try and wait until ASM is out before bashing the fight.

..... So you're ready to accept that Jack and Jester beat him?