Comics Oh, Come On!!!!

[shinlyle]

Secret Wars, the original series from 1984, had no tie-ins...

But man, when Secret Wars II came out the foloowing year, I remember there was about 31 tie-in issues...

And about a third of them had NOTHING to do with Secret Wars II... :cmad;

Secret Wars 2 is a crossover I refuse to acknowledge! Compared to the first installment, it was crap. It's much like Infinity Gauntlet, which was fantastic, and then it was drragged down by Infinity War and Infinity Crusade.

 

[USMC]

Secret Wars, the original series from 1984, had no tie-ins...

But man, when Secret Wars II came out the foloowing year, I remember there was about 31 tie-in issues...

And about a third of them had NOTHING to do with Secret Wars II... :cmad;

Remember Infinity Gauntlet? No tie-ins there, either.

But then came Infinity War and Infinity Crusade... with infinite tie-ins...

 

[USMC]

Secret Wars 2 is a crossover I refuse to acknowledge! Compared to the first installment, it was crap. It's much like Infinity Gauntlet, which was fantastic, and then it was drragged down by Infinity War and Infinity Crusade.

lol, beat me to it.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

This sounds silly, but I'll wait to see what happens in ASM to judge...

...like TMOB said, I'm buying ASM already anyway, so I'm not going out of my way or anything.

 

[HoratioRome]

...full of sound and fury; signifying nothing...

As so many others have said to yet so many others, if it's so bad and you hate it so much, don't read it. If it upsets you so much and makes you so miserable, don't read it.

Go back to the beginning of Spider-Man. He was always the guy who couldn't catch a break. Whether it's being thought a coward by Gwen Stacy because he always ran off when danger presented itself or had great pictures that would have helped him financially get ruined because his camera got smashed or any number of other problems over the years, he was always getting the "short end of the stick".

you just don't get it at all. no clue whatsoever,...

 

[Doc Destruction]

That's why I don't read it.t:

Then you're missing out. It's the best book out there right now, IMO and the fact that it's weekly MAKES it for me.

At least the damn thing comes out on time.

 

[iloveclones]

Then you're missing out. It's the best book out there right now, IMO and the fact that it's weekly MAKES it for me.

At least the damn thing comes out on time.

But what would they do if it were a leap year? Would it be called 52.1, or would it involve some exotic form of time-travel? And would the rest of the series come out on Thursday, rather than Wednesday?

I was gonna pick up 52, but I haven't been reading DC for a while, and my LCBS guys said I might be a bit lost. I guess I'll pick up the first trade and go from there. There is an appeal to a comic coming out every week though.

 

[HoratioRome]

That's true-- I did forget about the broken arm! I must say, it was an entertaining fight... frustrating, but entertaining. Spidey's always had trouble fighting the Kingpin for some reason... I like the early clashes between the two from the John Romita days the best.

RE: That recent Wolverine/Spidey fight where Spidey gets stabbed... man... THAT seemed ridiculous on a number of levels... mainly because I find it hard to believe Logan would ram his claws into Peter's chest during a freakin' sparring exercise just to make a point like that. Both characters were VERY poorly written just to create a stupid, poorly drawn fight sequence.

Exactly, That SM/Wolverine fight was a poor treatment of BOTH characters. W came off as an amateur who can't control his skill during a training session. That was a killing blow to the heart, with his claws buried deep enough to kill SM. How incompetent would W have to be to make such a mistake? Also, they made W Break SM's webbing not using his claws (both his arms were webbed to the wall in a way that the claws couldn't help), then they followed that up with SM hitting Wolverine after being stabbed and W acting like annoyed by the blows. As if a punch from SM was nothing more than an annoyance to W. Reginald Hudlin is a complete moron.


In the old days, when Spider-man faced "human level" foes, Stan Lee always made a point to give SM a handicap. A broken arm, the cold, the flu, or some other ailment. The stories weren't always perfect, and even Stan made some technical errors, but at least there was a basic understanding of SM's power.

 

[Themanofbat]

Secret Wars 2 is a crossover I refuse to acknowledge! Compared to the first installment, it was crap. It's much like Infinity Gauntlet, which was fantastic, and then it was drragged down by Infinity War and Infinity Crusade.

The only good part about Secret Wars II was when Peter Parker had to show the Beyonder how to use the bathroom...

t: t: t:

 

[Themanofbat]

Exactly, That SM/Wolverine fight was a poor treatment of BOTH characters. W came off as an amateur who can't control his skill during a training session. That was a killing blow to the heart, with his claws buried deep enough to kill SM. How incompetent would W have to be to make such a mistake? Also, they made W Break SM's webbing not using his claws (both his arms were webbed to the wall in a way that the claws couldn't help), then they followed that up with SM hitting Wolverine after being stabbed and W acting like annoyed by the blows. As if a punch from SM was nothing more than an annoyance to W. Reginald Hudlin is a complete moron.

I'll definitely agree to that last statement.

I don't remember this well enough, because it was such a bad arc to read, but weren't Wolverine's claws retracted a bit so that they just penetrated a little bit???

Even that's a crazy statement on it's own, but I seem to recall that being mentioned.

God, that storyline was awful...

 

[diespinne]

Well, actually, it was Iron Fist who's pretending to be DD, but yeah, he nailed him in issue 4. I don't know if he knocked him out or whatever, but he definitely got a good straightforward punch on Spidey. I think the only person Spidey's hit thus far was Cap once, and Tony once.

Man... something about martial arts in the Marvel Universe... spider sense and insanely enhanced strength and agility have got nothing on it, apparently.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Actually, that's a part of the problem. You shouldn't have to buy forty different comics to follow a story.

In THIS case, you don't. As i said earlier; i had no trouble following Civil War #5, desite not having read the ASM & FF tie ins yet....

Not sure why some of the folks here didn't as well...

It seemed to read easily enough...

 

[Doc Destruction]

But what would they do if it were a leap year? Would it be called 52.1, or would it involve some exotic form of time-travel? And would the rest of the series come out on Thursday, rather than Wednesday?

I was gonna pick up 52, but I haven't been reading DC for a while, and my LCBS guys said I might be a bit lost. I guess I'll pick up the first trade and go from there. There is an appeal to a comic coming out every week though.

Actually, the 52 does NOT refer to weeks after all. It's been used by the OA guardians in a different context, so no one has any clue what it means anymore.

 

[HoratioRome]

I'll definitely agree to that last statement.

I don't remember this well enough, because it was such a bad arc to read, but weren't Wolverine's claws retracted a bit so that they just penetrated a little bit???

Even that's a crazy statement on it's own, but I seem to recall that being mentioned.

God, that storyline was awful...

It baffles me that Hudlin would get a job writing a lead character, and his FIRST decision is for him to get his ass kicked.
As for the retracting claws, that was just a bad theory floating around because the panel clearly showed Wolverine's claws buried deep inside his chest. Some fans tried to explain it away by saying he retracted his claws, (which as you say it totally ridiculous.) but
Unless this was explained in some future issue, it don't think that was the official explanation.

Oh and in case you forgot, the genius Hudlin also had SM get vomitted on by Absorbing man (he stayed there and let himself get vomitted on) then Stayed under the vomit long enough for AB to completely dissappear.

 

[Sloth7d]

So, when does the next # of AmazingSM come out?

 

[crivelliman]

It actually occurs to me at this point, now that the Tony/Peter relationship is jilted, that Pete didn't actually do anything as Stark's right hand man. In the one issue of Amazing, Pete "stayed close" to Iron Man, and that lasted five seconds. As a scientist, and as Tony's supposed "confidant," wouldn't Parker have had a more integral role to play in the designing and implementation of 42? Or perhaps a discussion about the cloning technology they were working with to make Clor? Hell, was he even a superhero instructor for those young or inexperienced super powered beings who are in such desperate need of training?

I was all behind the Tony/Pete relationship because it was a nice character study of Pete seeing Tony as a father figure, or a future figure of what he could have become had he stayed in school and worked hard instead of being Spider-Man. Likewise, Tony sees himself in Peter, if he hadn't become a billionaire. They both had elements they admired about each other, combined with similar interests and strengths, but from totally different upbringings. It was a great idea.

Then could come a story of trust and manipulation, as Peter learns more about what he's doing for Stark. Or maybe he's kept out of that world, because he's busy working with Stark to catch rogue heroes or chastise them into registering, like he's doing in every single other book. But no, he's Stark's "right hand man," when it comes to... what, exactly? They don't even talk about anything.

So when the superheroes are like "oh man, can we trust him??" the obvious answer is yes, because he doesn't KNOW ANYTHING. It's like:

"What's 42?"
-"I dunno."
"What's Stark's next move?"
-"Good question."
"How did they get supervillains to do what they want?"
-"They have supervillains working for them? That explains how they got to me so fast. Crap. Damned if I know."

 

[Sloth7d]

Devil's Advocate time: The glass Stark had it replaced with was even stronger.

Might have been nice to know, though...

Speculation.
And eitherway, Spidermam can knock Ironman off his feet and through a wall with one punch, but can't break reinfornced glass using his whole body to charge it?

 

[Grim Goblin]

you look at Spider-Man these days, and you could swear JoeQ gave an official mandate to every writer that stipulates that Spidey needs to be anyone's *****... including a window!

 

[Sloth7d]

Pretty much. Meanwhile characters like Wolverine continuously defeat foes way above his level

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Pretty much. Meanwhile characters like Wolverine continuously defeat foes way above his level

Surprisingly enough, The Sub-Mariner actually knocked Wolverine unconcious in their most recent encounter.

 

[Sloth7d]

Surprisingly enough, The Sub-Mariner actually knocked Wolverine unconcious in their most recent encounter.

Yeah, and the Sentry aswell. Goodtimes.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yeah, and the Sentry aswell. Goodtimes.

Oh cool! Thanks man; Im behind on my comics reading and havent got to the Sentry issue yet.

 

[HoratioRome]

Surprisingly enough, The Sub-Mariner actually knocked Wolverine unconcious in their most recent encounter.

yeah but he also stabbed Subby and defeated him easily in a previous issue. Nice beat down by sentry though.
Did I get this right? I was looking through some x book where I saw that Wolverine was burned to a crisp. Only his shining skeleton remained. Than the guy who burned him turned his back and there was Wolverine standing behind him.
I was so disgusted I dropped the book. But did I see that right? Are they making it that Wolverine can regenerate from completely destruction of his flesh?

 

[storyteller]

Well at least one good thing came out of the issue.


The horrible suit is destroyed, long live the red and blue(unless spidey goes black during civil war).

 

[Dragon]

The subject of this thread has LONG, LONG.....LONG been an issue for me.

Bottom line, in the given situation with what wasn't seen nad however many operatives or whatever chasing him, even if Spidey couldn't beat them in a straight up fight (Which he should know not to even attempt), he should have at least been able to outsmart and escape them.

It's like these guys are too bad at writing to make Spidey his supporting cast, and even his villains to have some level of smarts.