Oh NOES!!!! WAR ON CHASTITY LOLZ!!!

[Mr Sparkle]

So, I was at my girl's house on Sunday and flipping through the channels we happened upon the Mtv VMA's who have managed to become utterly irrelevant over their 25 year existence, I soldiered through like about 25 minutes of it before just saying "**** it!" and changing the channel.
however.

Russell Brand, a British comedian who managed to underscored the difference between American humor and it's counterpart over the pond, did managed to say some things about the Jonas Brother's and their "purity rings".
Look, I thought nothing of this, it barely registered in my mind, but it seems that people regularly scan the TV for things to be pissed at, and when obvious things like poverty and social injustice are too hard to handle ( or, coming from the religious right, you happen to agree with denying gay guys/lesbian gals equal rights) you just make **** up.


so, I'm having breakfast today, which I can extend due to the housing crisis ( architect's work is...well, slim pickings these days, I do however run 6 miles a day now instead of three and can meditate for a whole hour...uh...thanks Bush economy! ) and on the today show there's a debacle.
seems some people got their panties in a bunch about poor Russell's comments, apparently they saw this as an "attack" on the Jonas Brother's values.
and some fat chick from American Idol defended them, saying "not everyone wants to be a ****" ....WOW!
so, um, now if you don't save your naughty bits for marriage you are a ****? was this the topic of conversation?
nope, it was this "attack" on the poor, poor jonas brothers and their "values" with one lady saying "no one should be attacked based on a persoanl decision"
really lady? have you seen the VMA's like EVER? they are attacking each other all the times based on their personal decisions, be it dress or drugs or wives, now all of a sudden you can't talk trash to the millionarie kids who want to stay virgins?
oh, and I have an issue on this whole "sexual" purity thing.

sex is impure now? you become impure when you have sex? this doesn't even mesh with the Christian view on things, since we are all flawed from birth, so, becoming "impure" from ****ing is stupid, since we are born sinners.
the manipulation is sooo obvious, it's like "oh, won't you protect my kids jesus, from this sex obsessed culture?"
I don't know which world these cats live in, but the 70's were sex obssesed, and back in the 50's marrying your 15 year old off to some 35 year old friend of the family was common practice.
what's this fear of teen sex that society has? and what place do you think it has whithin society itself, is it really for the parents to solely school their kids, and if so? why are faith based programs supported? is it up to the church then?

thoughts?

anyone?

no?

ok.

 

[ManofmyWord]

Haha. I agree with everything, but I personally believe the Jonas brothers are full of ****. No artist in the history of artists with a loyal following of zombie girl fans stayed "Pure".

But you're right, Christian double meanings and standards.

 

[Matt]

This really doesn't have much to do with politics but more culture and sociology. Moving to Community.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

yeah...Lord knows abstinence only programs have nothing to do with politics.

 

[Matt]

yeah...Lord knows abstinence only programs have nothing to do with politics.

Only you're not discussing the political views on abstinence programs. Your thread is more a social commentary with little political connection to it (unless you consider the "fat girl from American Idol," a political authority). Thus it belongs in Community. Not everything with the slightest ties to politics belongs in Political. Hell, religion is tied to politics, but our religion thread stays in community.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

true

 

[Captain Planet!]

Who really cares? The Jonas Brothers look like Hobbits.

 

[Darthphere]

Lovebug.

 

[Sgt. Fury]

sex is impure now? you become impure when you have sex? this doesn't even mesh with the Christian view on things, since we are all flawed from birth, so, becoming "impure" from ****ing is stupid, since we are born sinners.

I believe the concept of "impure" originally referred mainly to women. Before sexual intercourse is started, they have intact hymen, and thus are pure, or unbroken. As with most things, the original meanings are added to or taken from with other things over the years.

what's this fear of teen sex that society has? and what place do you think it has whithin society itself, is it really for the parents to solely school their kids, and if so? why are faith based programs supported? is it up to the church then?

As to what the fear of teen sex is for today's society - there are many things:



Many teens are not psychologicaly or physically prepared for the consequences.



The spread of STDs.



The financial burdens on the teen parents as well as the parents of the teens.



The number of kids being raised without male parental presence.



The number of kids being raised by their grandparents instead of their parents.

 

[lemmasaurus]

^None of those things but probably the first two really make sense in regard to problems with teen sex.

Really, most of the so-called problems raised by teen sex could be solved by improving sexual education and eliminating abstinence only programs in schools. This should be accompanied by increasing the availability of birth control and by parents trying harder to actually TALK to their kids.

 

[Lighthouse]

Russell Brand must be loving this. I've never even heard of him, and because of these whiners he's gonna become much more famous. Much like I'd never even heard of Don Imus before his scandal.

 

[lemmasaurus]

He's very famous in the UK, but the only thing he's famous for here was being in Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

 

[jaguarr]

Haha. I agree with everything, but I personally believe the Jonas brothers are full of ****. No artist in the history of artists with a loyal following of zombie girl fans stayed "Pure".

But you're right, Christian double meanings and standards.

It is the greatest ploy by a famous person to get laid ever conceived. Millions of hot girls lusting after these boys and they play the "Oh, no, we want to save our virginity" line, which of course makes these teenage girls want them all the more because now they are forbidden fruit and all these teenage girls want to be the "first" to pop these boys cherries. I bet they get laid constantly. CONSTANTLY!

jag

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I don't watch MTV anymore, nor do I listen to the Jonas Brothers, so i can't rightfully comment on either. but as for the subject of sexual impurity, it all comes down to a matter of choice. As both a rededicated Christian and someone who's learned from a big mistake, I think I'm qualified to voice my opinion that sex, in and of itself, is not wrong, evil, or a bad thing. in fact, God says otherwise many times in the Bible. but the problems arise when sex is engaged in under the wrong situations. like it or not, sex was created to bond a man and a woman together in a God-centered, 100% committed-for-life marriage. That was the original intent behind it, and that much hasn't changed.

What has changed, by comparison, is our collective attitudes toward it, especially in the States. When you can barely change a TV channel without seeing some woman with her neckline to her navel, that's wrong, plain and simple. When over half of the popular songs today contain lyrics about sleeping around, that's wrong too. And when 90% of the news from Hollywood is about Lindsay being gay, Paris making porn, or celebs having multiple marriages every few years...guess what? We live in a fiercely-saturated sex-based culture. There's no getting around that...but that doesn't mean we don't have a choice.

So many kids give in to sex because of peer pressure: their friends keep telling them how great it is, indirectly labelling them an outsider for not doing the same. I don't care how careful you or anyone else is, safe sexual intercourse is a myth. Even the co-creator of the condom once said that using it to protect against STDs was ridiculous. And, it's not just the medical or peer issues folks should be discussing, either. We as a society need to start teaching kids about sex when they are very young. Chances are, by the age of 10 your child already knows about the "plumbing", so to speak. but as the saying goes, "knowing how the engine works is a far cry from knowing how to drive the car". Most teens and young adults today had parents who didn't teach them about sex at all, because they were too embarassed. That only leads to rash, foolish decisions by people who are physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually immature. When people say "what goes on behind closed doors is their business", that simply isn't true when we live in a world where 1 in every 4 high-schoolers has an STD, the number of teen mothers has skyrocketed, and the tax-paying American public is being billed for their medical decisions.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't watch MTV anymore, nor do I listen to the Jonas Brothers, so i can't rightfully comment on either. but as for the subject of sexual impurity, it all comes down to a matter of choice. As both a rededicated Christian and someone who's learned from a big mistake, I think I'm qualified to voice my opinion that sex, in and of itself, is not wrong, evil, or a bad thing. in fact, God says otherwise many times in the Bible. but the problems arise when sex is engaged in under the wrong situations. like it or not, sex was created to bond a man and a woman together in a God-centered, 100% committed-for-life marriage. That was the original intent behind it, and that much hasn't changed.

What has changed, by comparison, is our collective attitudes toward it, especially in the States. When you can barely change a TV channel without seeing some woman with her neckline to her navel, that's wrong, plain and simple. When over half of the popular songs today contain lyrics about sleeping around, that's wrong too. And when 90% of the news from Hollywood is about Lindsay being gay, Paris making porn, or celebs having multiple marriages every few years...guess what? We live in a fiercely-saturated sex-based culture. There's no getting around that...but that doesn't mean we don't have a choice.

So many kids give in to sex because of peer pressure: their friends keep telling them how great it is, indirectly labelling them an outsider for not doing the same. I don't care how careful you or anyone else is, safe sexual intercourse is a myth. Even the co-creator of the condom once said that using it to protect against STDs was ridiculous. And, it's not just the medical or peer issues folks should be discussing, either. We as a society need to start teaching kids about sex when they are very young. Chances are, by the age of 10 your child already knows about the "plumbing", so to speak. but as the saying goes, "knowing how the engine works is a far cry from knowing how to drive the car". Most teens and young adults today had parents who didn't teach them about sex at all, because they were too embarassed. That only leads to rash, foolish decisions by people who are physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually immature. When people say "what goes on behind closed doors is their business", that simply isn't true when we live in a world where 1 in every 4 high-schoolers has an STD, the number of teen mothers has skyrocketed, and the tax-paying American public is being billed for their medical decisions.

 

[lemmasaurus]

Yeah, and some teenagers are smart, do their research beforehand, and are in loving and monogamous relationships when they decide to have sex safely and responsibly. I'm sure I'm in the minority as far as that situation goes, but to lump all teens into that assumption is kind of ignorant.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I don't watch MTV anymore, nor do I listen to the Jonas Brothers, so i can't rightfully comment on either. but as for the subject of sexual impurity, it all comes down to a matter of choice. As both a rededicated Christian and someone who's learned from a big mistake, I think I'm qualified to voice my opinion that sex, in and of itself, is not wrong, evil, or a bad thing. in fact, God says otherwise many times in the Bible. but the problems arise when sex is engaged in under the wrong situations. like it or not, sex was created to bond a man and a woman together in a God-centered, 100% committed-for-life marriage. That was the original intent behind it, and that much hasn't changed.

What has changed, by comparison, is our collective attitudes toward it, especially in the States. When you can barely change a TV channel without seeing some woman with her neckline to her navel, that's wrong, plain and simple. When over half of the popular songs today contain lyrics about sleeping around, that's wrong too. And when 90% of the news from Hollywood is about Lindsay being gay, Paris making porn, or celebs having multiple marriages every few years...guess what? We live in a fiercely-saturated sex-based culture. There's no getting around that...but that doesn't mean we don't have a choice.

So many kids give in to sex because of peer pressure: their friends keep telling them how great it is, indirectly labelling them an outsider for not doing the same. I don't care how careful you or anyone else is, safe sexual intercourse is a myth. Even the co-creator of the condom once said that using it to protect against STDs was ridiculous. And, it's not just the medical or peer issues folks should be discussing, either. We as a society need to start teaching kids about sex when they are very young. Chances are, by the age of 10 your child already knows about the "plumbing", so to speak. but as the saying goes, "knowing how the engine works is a far cry from knowing how to drive the car". Most teens and young adults today had parents who didn't teach them about sex at all, because they were too embarassed. That only leads to rash, foolish decisions by people who are physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually immature. When people say "what goes on behind closed doors is their business", that simply isn't true when we live in a world where 1 in every 4 high-schoolers has an STD, the number of teen mothers has skyrocketed, and the tax-paying American public is being billed for their medical decisions.

actually, that's incorrect.
the translation has been viewed as meaning people that are simply in love, not committed to each other for life.
so, uh, right there bud, not really the intent of sex.

plus, why are women that dress like ****s "wrong" it's their "choice" and we can't judge a person based on their "choices" can we?
oh I get it, it's ye olde stand by " as long as I agree it's ok"

and, uh, not to burst your bubble dude, but teens get into sex because of

drum roll

HORMONES!!!!!

I can't count the times when I was in junior high ( I went to a catholic school) when I would stare at the girls in their uniforms adoringly and let me tell you, what I felt in my pants was not the least bit caused by peer pressure.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

People have the ability to control their hormones, rather than being controlled by them. So-called "professionals" try to say we're incapable of resisting, that we're just like animals...but that's just plain nonsense. I'll give you an example.

Dr. Ruth westheimer is likely seen as America's "sex guru", and she once said that it was unrealistic to expect teens to wait for sex, because their drives wouldn't let them. However, I'm willing to bet if a young man approached Dr. Ruth with "I want to have sex with my girlfriend, but she doesn't want to have sex with me", her advice to that man would be to wait. But you see, she contradicts her own philosophy which says teens literally can't wait. Double standards are sadly far more occuring in the world than we might see, especially in situations like this.

 

[lemmasaurus]

And some teens just WANT to have sex! Yeah, hormones play a huge role in that, but it's not a manner of being CONTROLLED by your hormones, it's a matter of making the choice to just go ahead and do it or not do it. And if you do it safely, then who's to say that it's wrong? If you aren't accidentally getting pregnant or contracting an STD that you could possibly spread, then it's no one's problem but your own. And I'd say it's a pretty okay problem to have, thank you.

 

[Lighthouse]

I can't count the times when I was in junior high ( I went to a catholic school) when I would stare at the girls in their uniforms adoringly and let me tell you, what I felt in my pants was not the least bit caused by peer pressure.

My hormones were peer pressured by other hormones. My hormones just had to be like everybody else.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

People have the ability to control their hormones, rather than being controlled by them. So-called "professionals" try to say we're incapable of resisting, that we're just like animals...but that's just plain nonsense. I'll give you an example.

Dr. Ruth westheimer is likely seen as America's "sex guru", and she once said that it was unrealistic to expect teens to wait for sex, because their drives wouldn't let them. However, I'm willing to bet if a young man approached Dr. Ruth with "I want to have sex with my girlfriend, but she doesn't want to have sex with me", her advice to that man would be to wait. But you see, she contradicts her own philosophy which says teens literally can't wait. Double standards are sadly far more occuring in the world than we might see, especially in situations like this.

we are just like animals, you have noticed that we have the exact same urges to eat/rest/mate as they do, we just have more advanced mental processes and...well, shame, can't forget that.

some teens WILL wait for sex, some won't, to make them think that their urges are "impure" is idiotic.
plus, your example is ******ed, because sex between willing participants is not the same as rape, nor is the satisfaction derived from one, comparable to the other.
I mean, you have had sex right? ( I know because converts make the best zealots) and maybe what YOU felt was indeed twisted, but from personal experience my sex drive, when I was 15 was pretty normal, meaning I wanted to do any pretty girl I saw, and if I had been given the go-ahead by any of them I would've done them all because of hormones.

duh.

It might shock you to learn that women enjoy sex too, and some teen girls are downright perverse.
as I learned...to my advantage I might add.

 

[jaguarr]

LOL! Can we rename this thread "Moviefan Doesn't Understand The Teenagers", please?

jag

 

[Lighthouse]

It might shock you to learn that women enjoy sex too, and some teen girls are downright perverse.
as I learned...to my advantage I might add.

So...um.....where do these women congregate? My hormones would like to meet them.

 

[lemmasaurus]

'suuuup.

Anyway. I'm pretty sure Moviefan is the worst person to get into this argument with, since he's both a serious Christian and hasn't been a teenager for awhile, I assume. Talk about your ingrained bias.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

So...um.....where do these women congregate? My hormones would like to meet them.

you know, I was shocked to learn that they are EVERYWHERE! t:
of course now I can't enjoy the fruits of many-a-woman, seeing as I am in a monogamous relationship (darn "love" getting in the way ) but hey, it's not all bad.

monogamous girls can be perverse too.