Oh you Smoke? Employers getting strict on hiring Smokers.

A libertarian should have no problem with this.

 

Well, I don't smoke cigarettes, but I certainly don't see the point in shunning smokers. It's not like they're blowing smoke into non-smokers' faces or anything. Being a smoker should have nothing to do with one's work ethic. It reminds me of this South Park episode:

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I disapprove of all this smoker penalizing.

I don't smoke, never touched a cigarette in my life, zero desire for it, hate the smell of smoke, don't want cancer, etc., but whether an employee does or doesn't smoke outside of the workplace is none of the company's business.

 

...what, in your mind, is the Libertarian philosophy?

 

Unless hiring smokers begins to damage their financial interests.

 

People need to remember that smoking is an addiction predicated and fostered in peer pressure. Before we start hanging the addicts out to dry and condemning our youth how about we try to help them or offer a more healthy alternative. Or how about we just let people smoke if they want to. People do all kinds of dangerous **** for various reasons.

 

Yeah, like offering some sort of economic incentive to qui-

Oh.

 

I quit smoking and I didn't get a damn thing. Tho quitting in and of itself was a reward.

Since anyone under 18 smoking is committing an illegal act I don't see how the government can offer them an incentive. As for adults what kind of incentive can they get? A tax cut would be nice, but there is no way to prove they have actually quit short of constant medical evaluations and I could see that being extorted to get a tax cut. The government just needs to stop treating everyone like lepers and criminals and help people. Stop with the consequences and the damning and just reach out a helpful hand.

 

I think you may be confused. These are private institutions putting these hiring bans in place. The hiring ban is itself an economic incentive to quit smoking.

Hence my post.

 

These private institutions are discriminating against people who are not only suffering from an addiction which in no way impedes their ability to perform their job but also is a freedom. This to me is unlawful discrimination.

In a time when people need jobs desperately they should be making it easier to get a job. Not harder. This draconian BS isn't helping the situation.

 

Two problems with this argument.

1) The addiction can be treated and the behavior ultimately changed/halted. This potential exists, unlike in cases involving gender, race or sexual orientation.

2) The invocation of "freedom" implies the action of choice. Why should companies be denied the same freedom, and on what grounds? This is a self-defeating argument.

 

They do if for money reason, end of story, health is an excuse.

 

Nobody is pretending otherwise.

 

I didn't say someone did

 

You implied it by saying, "[H]ealth is an excuse."

 

It must be a subtlety of the English language that I missed ( yes this is a sarcasm ).

 

I used to smoke a lot. Then I threw my pack out the window while driving once on a whim. Never smoked again.

I realize I traded smoking for littering. Oh well.

 

Inmate road worker: "Hey, White Power Bill! Some jerk threw out a perfectly good pack of--"

*gets shanked by White Power Bill*

Inmate road worker: "Why White Power Bill....why?"

White Power Bill: "I did it for da smokes."

 

But...if the government bans companies from doing something, isn't that the government getting bigger?

In the light of increasing healthcare costs (and they ARE going up regardless of Obamacare or any other plan anyone comes up with), companies will do whatever they can to decrease healthcare costs. Being obese and being a smoker are detrimental to your health. This is proven. If you are obese long enough, or a smoker long enough, you WILL see effects on your health. Some people are lucky enough to die of something else before this happens but most people are not so lucky.

It's not personal. It's strictly business.

 

Graphic Design life in my bedroom. Work at home, smoke all day and all night.

My clients would never know I smoke unless they smelt it on me while we went out for coffee .

Now if all a sudden graphic designers don't make money, then I guess this is for the birds for me. Also Canadian life...