Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spoiler

Well, in a recent interview with Zeb Wells, he mentions the return of web-shooters...

Awesome! I love the Organic Web-shooters and the regular web-shooters. Either one is fine by Me.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I wouldn't.

Why would a skrull care so much about Peter Parker/Spider-Man that he would go hide in Europe for years, raise Gwen Stacy's kids, orchestrate the whole clone saga, take away baby May, try to make Peter the "heir to the Goblin legacy," put Flash Thompson into a coma, try to goad Peter into killing him, etc. etc. etc.? All that stuff is too personal for anyone but the real Osborn to do it. And even if its something like "Osborn isn't aware he's a skrull," it still feels like a big cop out to suggest that some pretender did all that stuff. Not to mention the fact that Spidey has so few A-list villains as it is...why take away arguably his greatest one?

Agreed. The Skrulls operate on an interstellar scale, not a personal one.

 

[Captivated]

I would like the return of

Spoiler

web shooters.

It's funny how people differ on some issues... Since I came to the comics through the movies, I found the webshooters to be lame. I know, I know! That's blasphemy for you long-timers...

I was ok with them when reading past issues, but frankly, I don't miss them AT ALL and think the organics are very cool. Even Stan said he wished he had thought of it.

I don't see why he mentioned the return of

Spoiler

Pete dating...we've already seen that. We've been there. Plus, it'd be extra redundant now if they went back to it, because we'd all know the relationship couldn't go anywhere...not to mention just because someone doesn't REALIZE they're married doesn't mean they're NOT married. So, a "clueless" married Parker dating someone else is...........not good.......

You are SO right about THAT!

Are they planning to mindwipe all the fans?!

So the characters are clueless... I WILL KNOW BETTER.

We are talking MAJOR ICK factor.

 

[CrimeMaster!]

I wonder if Marvel would actually have the balls to claim that the Norman Osborn that we've seen since the Clone Saga is in effect, a Skrull... and that the REAL Norman Osborn died in ASM #122.

I think I'd like that very much.

So does that mean the real Elektra is probably still dead since DareDevil 181?

 

[CrimeMaster!]

I wouldn't.

Why would a skrull care so much about Peter Parker/Spider-Man that he would go hide in Europe for years, raise Gwen Stacy's kids, orchestrate the whole clone saga, take away baby May, try to make Peter the "heir to the Goblin legacy," put Flash Thompson into a coma, try to goad Peter into killing him, etc. etc. etc.? All that stuff is too personal for anyone but the real Osborn to do it. And even if its something like "Osborn isn't aware he's a skrull," it still feels like a big cop out to suggest that some pretender did all that stuff. Not to mention the fact that Spidey has so few A-list villains as it is...why take away arguably his greatest one?

In the new Battlestar Galactica tv series, the Cylons have "Sleeper agents"...basically cylons who are programmed to think that they are humans and have built in false memories until the Cylons want to restart them. (Bendis himself has cited BS as an influence on the skrull storyline)

In my opinion I don't think Norman will be a Skrull,probably will be a red herring though since Bendis wants to revisit Mark Millar's MK Spider-Man story where big business created supervillains.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Okay, for those of us who don't watch Battlestar Galactica (and there's more of us than you may think) what the hell is a cylon? I see "cylon, cylon, cylon" wherever I go on the internet nowadays. I'm now assuming its some kinda shape-shifting skrull-like alien from your comment.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

It's funny how people differ on some issues... Since I came to the comics through the movies, I found the webshooters to be lame. I know, I know! That's blasphemy for you long-timers...

I was ok with them when reading past issues, but frankly, I don't miss them AT ALL and think the organics are very cool. Even Stan said he wished he had thought of it.

I love Stan... think he's a genuis, etc, etc... but he's also a company shill. He'll say ANYTHING coming out of Marvel is great! Find me one negative comment of his. Clone Saga? GREAT! Wish he'd thought of it! House of M? GREAT! Wish he'd thought of it! Bucky returning? You get the idea.

The organics suck, because it takes away one of the more interesting facets of Peter's personality, his scientific ingenuity.... and replaces it with something lazy and contrived (uhhh how exactly does he biologically produce web in his body....? If its like a spider, why does it come out of his wrists instead of ... well... his butt? And last but not least... what was the point other than a short-term movie tie-in?)

We are talking MAJOR ICK factor.

No... that would be organic webshooters.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I SWEAR If Mary Jane Dies and they re-do Spider-man / Peter Parker back to the old whiny nerd boy .

I'm dropping spider-man although

 

[farmernudie]

CAPTIVATED: You are SO right about THAT!

Are they planning to mindwipe all the fans?!

So the characters are clueless... I WILL KNOW BETTER.

We are talking MAJOR ICK factor.

Yeh...well in one of JQ's interviews or quotes along the (long) way to OMD....he stated something to the effect that whatever changes they DO make...(mindwiping the marriage, for example)....that they (Marvel) will just never "mention" again how things were before, and it will just be the way it is after they change whatever. So, that characters won't be mentioning or refering or nodding to the fact they were once married, nor will the continuity i guess.

Which i feel is treating us fans like morons...like we're gonna "make-believe" that we never KNEW Pete/MJ were/are married...>wink wink<...and just don't KNOW it.

And that we won't notice that a mindwiped MARRIED couple is now dating other people and in love triangles. Just because the comic books/MArvel from there on out will never "mention" how things were before.

There will just be this new status quo....and we'll be oblivious i guess to how many years of continuity. It will be like it never happened.



I hope some kid doesn't pick up a back issue at some point, after starting to read the new single spidey....and gasps to find out that MJ is Pete's wife! That'd be horrible!!

 

[Miss Webb]

What a steaming pile of crap.

What's the point of revisiting the past??? Why not just reissue old stories. I can pull them out of my archives any time, I don't need to spend money on rehash that simply gives artists/writers jobs.

So what does this mean, that there will be THREE Amazing Spiderman books, each in their own universe? What's the freaking point...all the endless hype about Peter going in a new direction. Now a year later, he's 'going in a new direction'. Then his life would never be the same. Well apparently now it is going to be the same. Or whatever. Or nothing.

MARCH FORWARD, SPIDEY FANS...BACK TO THE PAST...BACK TO THE CAVE...STICK YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PRETEND!!

 

[Captivated]

Yeh...well in one of JQ's interviews or quotes along the (long) way to OMD....he stated something to the effect that whatever changes they DO make...(mindwiping the marriage, for example)....that they (Marvel) will just never "mention" again how things were before, and it will just be the way it is after they change whatever. So, that characters won't be mentioning or refering or nodding to the fact they were once married, nor will the continuity i guess.

Which i feel is treating us fans like morons...like we're gonna "make-believe" that we never KNEW Pete/MJ were/are married...>wink wink<...and just don't KNOW it.

And that we won't notice that a mindwiped MARRIED couple is now dating other people and in love triangles. Just because the comic books/MArvel from there on out will never "mention" how things were before.

There will just be this new status quo....and we'll be oblivious i guess to how many years of continuity. It will be like it never happened.



I hope some kid doesn't pick up a back issue at some point, after starting to read the new single spidey....and gasps to find out that MJ is Pete's wife! That'd be horrible!!

We are of like minds on this one...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12344269&postcount=40

I can't believe they think people won't remember... What about all those kids who came to the comics through the movies... who WANT to see Peter with MJ?!

I also cannot see a NEVER ENDING tease of will they or won't they get back together.

I have to conclude JQ just doesn't CARE if he looses fans that don't think the way he does. I really get that he has a "good riddance" additude towards them.

FINE.

I hope MASSES of fans oblige and dump his "bright idea" on its ass.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I just can't wait for Peter to to free to date four-year-old clones!

 

[Dragon]

I was ok with them when reading past issues, but frankly, I don't miss them AT ALL and think the organics are very cool. Even Stan said he wished he had thought of it.

Stan didn't say he wished he thought of organics. In fact, when asked about them after Spidey 1 was released, he explained that while he understood why Sam went with them, he said that if he himself were given the writing chores on Spidey 1, he'd have made the mechs work.

 

[stillanerd]

Yeh...well in one of JQ's interviews or quotes along the (long) way to OMD....he stated something to the effect that whatever changes they DO make...(mindwiping the marriage, for example)....that they (Marvel) will just never "mention" again how things were before, and it will just be the way it is after they change whatever. So, that characters won't be mentioning or refering or nodding to the fact they were once married, nor will the continuity i guess.

Which i feel is treating us fans like morons...like we're gonna "make-believe" that we never KNEW Pete/MJ were/are married...>wink wink<...and just don't KNOW it.

And that we won't notice that a mindwiped MARRIED couple is now dating other people and in love triangles. Just because the comic books/MArvel from there on out will never "mention" how things were before.

There will just be this new status quo....and we'll be oblivious i guess to how many years of continuity. It will be like it never happened.

You mean kinda of like what they try to do with regards to Baby May? Pretend like she never actually existed? Too bad Spider-Girl reminds everybody of that. And I remember what Joe Q said after MJ's seperation from Peter. He basically tried the pull the same tactic by saying "As long as we don't mention they're married, then readers can conclude they aren't." Which I guess that means they were living together all this time? This is what Marvel has been trying to do with all it's retcons: try not to mention them in the hopes that fans will forget those creative missteps they thought would go over so well and "change [insert character here]'s world as we know it." Too bad we readers have very long memories.

I hope some kid doesn't pick up a back issue at some point, after starting to read the new single spidey....and gasps to find out that MJ is Pete's wife! That'd be horrible!!

Given the Amazing Spider-Man DVD collection, that's probably going to happen a lot sooner than Marvel wants to. And you know darn well that when Spidey's 50th anniversary comes around the Marriage to Mary Jane will be mentioned as a "milestone" in Spidey history, so there's no way they can avoid it.

I can't believe they think people won't remember... What about all those kids who came to the comics through the movies... who WANT to see Peter with MJ?!

I also cannot see a NEVER ENDING tease of will they or won't they get back together.

I have to conclude JQ just doesn't CARE if he looses fans that don't think the way he does. I really get that he has a "good riddance" additude towards them.

FINE.

I hope MASSES of fans oblige and dump his "bright idea" on its ass.

Like I said, I bet, despite all the hype Marvel is generating for "One More Day" and especially "Brand New Day," Joe Q and company are, privately, really, REALLY scared that there will be A LOT of negative backlash to all of this. Hence, why they're releasing the most recognized Spidey title three times a month, putting fan favorites as part of the creative teams, and going with this whole "back to basics" approach--all to try and stem some of the bleeding.

I just can't wait for Peter to to free to date four-year-old clones!

What about Sarah Stacy? The 10 year old mutant who has the body of a 20 something woman, who is not only the daughter of his first real girlfriend and his mortal enemy but also looks EXACTLY like the said deceased girlfriend? Ah yes, we can return to the "glory" of [blackout]Sins Past[/blackout] and dig up the memory of Gwen Stacy all over again!

 

[Captivated]

I just can't wait for Peter to to free to date four-year-old clones!

ROTFL!



Wait... they just might...

 

[Captivated]

Like I said, I bet, despite all the hype Marvel is generating for "One More Day" and especially "Brand New Day," Joe Q and company are, privately, really, REALLY scared that there will be A LOT of negative backlash to all of this. Hence, why they're releasing the most recognized Spidey title three times a month, putting fan favorites as part of the creative teams, and going with this whole "back to basics" approach--all to try and stem some of the bleeding.

That's been my gut feeling too.

It DOES sound like they are giving fans MUCH of what they've been asking for... and HYPING it to the moon. (Their evil scheme IS generating some excitment... but will it be enough?)

If they go where I think they are going with all this, I'm just afraid the BAD will outweigh the "good" for me.

On the positive side... I'll have more cash in the budget to spend on redecorating. t:

 

[wolvie2020]

Spoiler

Well, in a recent interview with Zeb Wells, he mentions the return of web-shooters...

Yea baby!

Is it just me, or is it looking more and more like they're just trying to push the re-set button?

Not on just the marriage, but all the Sins Past/Other stuff as well?

Think about it, Joey Q is not stupid, and has admitted his, and his predecessor's mistakes on Spidey...

As well as that, he has repeatedly stated he doesn't have anything against him being in a serious relationship with MJ, he just thinks Spidey being married would deter younger readers, (cough, MORON!, cough...)

You know what, I while ago there was a poster on the Millarworld forums that said he knew Marvel's 2 year plan on Spidey, and said it's going to be the clone saga of our generation. Most people would think he's talking out of his behind, but not too long before that he knew about some secret conversations Millar had with Marvel re: his possibilty of coming back on Ultimate X-Men. Even Millar was astounded that he knew about this.

Anyway, my point is that this guys has some credibility, and the reason he may have compared it to the Cone Saga was because CS was originially designed to happen as the powers that be at the time ALSO felt that Spidey was aged too much. Marriage and pregnancy did not appeal to them, so the idea of Ben Reilly was to create a fresh slate.

Joey Q may think he can get away with it this time is because he's keeping Peter... One of the main outrages about CS was that fact that we've been following a fake Peter for decades, with Brand New Day we still have Peter.

The other trick is getting this kind of talent on ASM. I don't know about everyone here, but it's a lot easier to boycott ONE Spidey book. Now, there'll be only one, and even if we don't like the status quo, (well, the loss of the marriage really,) they're going to bring back A LOT of other cool things that's been missing with Spidey in recent years, as well as a quite frankly, an astounding crative team.

He's pretty much making it so it'll be EXTREMLEY difficult to say no. Which has NEVER been the case before in a situation like this. He's being a very smart business man and keeping all bases covered...

I really hope this turns out well though

 

[shinlyle]

I'll say this: I can't say no to Slott and McNiven. I'll buy their contributions, regardless of what happens....which I'd imagine (given Slott and McNiven's tendency for putting books out late) would only be an arc or two before they left.

If the marriage ends, I'm out. I'll consider the series over and the powers-that-be out of ideas. GOing back and rehashing the glory days is just an asanine tactic that shows a TOTAL lack of consideration for fans who want to see a character progress, as opposed to regress. If I wanted to read about characters who advance, only to be put back right where they were, I'd read DC, and deal with a continuity-altering crisis every 5-10 years, depending on who they want to kill or how badly they've screwed up continuity.

The thing that angers me is the fact that Spidey/Peter Parker is the EASIEST character to write. All you have to do is look at how Stan used to do it. Give him an everyday situation, have something Spidey-related complicate the situation (new super-villian, returning villian), Spidey loses, has to find a way to cope with the situation in his Peter Parker life in a way that reveals to him an epiphany about how to handle his Spidey-related problem, and he emerges victorious...with some Peter Parker problems lingering around. Simple. Also....you CAN do this with a married Spidey. It's not hard.

MJ approves of and supports Peter being Spider-Man, but she doesn't have to give him a free pass everytime he has to save someone instead of take her out to dinner. She's a woman, and that, in my experience , at least, gives her the right to be pissed off about whatever. She shouldn't ALWAYS understand why Peter feels he has to do the hero thing...or else she becomes a robot. She was always awesome because of her independance and her attitude...and it'd be nice to see a little of that return.

I'm not saying to turn Peter and MJ into a b****y married couple, but you don't have to write them either hating each other or loving each other to make them interesting. Married folk bicker and complain all the time....I know this. It wouldn't hurt to have Peter come home after fighing Sandman or Shocker for 2 hours straight, only to have him get fussed out over forgetting to pick up side-dishes for dinner. In fact, that sounds more like Peter Parker's luck than most of the stories we've had over the past few years.

Sorry...I'm rambling. I just think Spidey is more interesting when we're dealing with Peter trying to balance his life as Spidey with his life as Peter....something that we've lost since he started telling everyone his secret identity and confiding in his "frail ol' Aunt May" about Spidey stuff. Now, I like that Aunt May knows, but I liked it better when Peter kept it from her. The burden of having to keep it from her was such a dynamic aspect of the character that it immediately pulled you in. I miss that.

I miss alot of things...things it looks like they may bring back. I'm just worried about what it'll cost us.

 

[Captivated]

So true...

FYI - I'm currently re-reading "The Gathering of the Sinister Six" by Adam-Troy Castro. His are the BEST Spidey novels written, and the relationship is PERFECTLY done in them. Like you said, unquestionable love, balanced with conflict and support. MJ is awesome and interesting in it... she kicks a little butt, but stays vulnerable and real.

I highly recommend the book... which USED to be impossible to find under $50, but they have FINALLY reprinted it and you can get it on Amazon. Perfect example of an old-fashioned Spidey adventure that uses the relationship VERY well.

 

[TromaFreak64]

ugh.... all this news is really just terrifying. Spiderman has been one of the few characters to really grow up and they are gonna try and strip that all away again.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i wonder if they are going to be rebooting everything that has happened during the jms run of amazing or not. personally i hope they dont reboot/retcon everything i hope they just wipe out "the other" powers and have his identity secret again to the public. Also has it been confirmed or not if all the writers/artist teams will be having there stories running together in one universe or will each team stories be separate universes and all that.

 

[Web-Head408]

Anyone see these? The variant cover's by Marko Djurdjevic, they say there's a top secret fourth cover, wonder what that is.

"One More Day finds Peter Parker in his darkest hour, with the stakes higher than ever before and those closest to him about to disappear forever. What roles do guest-stars Doctor Strange and Iron Man play? When all is said and done, this will be even more controversial, more shocking than Spider-Man's unmasking!"

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Anyone see these? The variant cover's by Marko Djurdjevic, they say there's a top secret fourth cover, wonder what that is.

"One More Day finds Peter Parker in his darkest hour, with the stakes higher than ever before and those closest to him about to disappear forever. What roles do guest-stars Doctor Strange and Iron Man play? When all is said and done, this will be even more controversial, more shocking than Spider-Man's unmasking!"

The art is awesome! :up

 

[shinlyle]

Those are way better than Quesada's covers...those are the ones I want!

Of course, I'm sure the fourth cover is either:
a) Peter and Mary Jane together
or
b)Peter and Mary Jane splitting up

Dammit....I hate waiting to see what's going to happen in THIS storyarc. I like the anticipation for most books...but this one....argh.

 

[Dangerous]

Once JMS is off and the old logo is re-instated as seen on the OMD day covers, heck- thats two things to be happy about!
If the new teams could start re-setting SOME aspects of status quo like the web-shooters, I'd buy that for a dollar! or $3.99.

Does anyone know yet how the four teams are going to work?
Is it going to be one team per month/arc (if so how the hell are they going to produce three issues per month), or an alternating team every issue? ..I just can't be assed reading the last few pages you see.

Il be very suprised (and pissed) if the marriage is severed, but I don't think it will. I worked out that I would have been 32 (I'm 27 now) when ASM 600 came out, as it stands we will be getting 36 issues per year- so we will getting to 600 in no time. Fun from a collecting pov if nothing else. I think one year is the shortest amount of time this publishing set up will play out. I don't think Marvel would bother if it were going to be for less than one year surely...