Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Flint Marko]

He's a businessman, yeah, but there's no way you can convince me that he's doing this for the characters benefit, I think he's doing this all, 100% for a profit.
There's also no way you can convince me that he's looking out for the fan's best interest, what we as a majority would want. Sure, we don't all agree on the same thing for the characters, but the least he could do is not completely and utterly distort the character for the sake of making a quick buck.
I mean, honestly. Him being chosen by a spider-god? Him dying, but being reborn in a cocoon with new powers? Him publicly unmasking? Becoming an Avenger? And now the possibility that Peter could be single again?
That's completely not the character we've all come to know, it's his way of making money. Which, nothing is wrong with making money, it's just the fact that he's producing crappy story after crappy story with nothing but money on his mind, not giving a crap about what the fans would like to see. That is what pisses me off.

 

[Web-Head408]

Not to sound like an idiot, but does this means he's ditching the black costume? So soon?

unfortunately, september he's going back into the red and blues.

 

[ragingdemon155]

unfortunately, september he's going back into the red and blues.

Thank the lord!!!!

 

[spider greg]

He's a businessman, yeah, but there's no way you can convince me that he's doing this for the characters benefit, I think he's doing this all, 100% for a profit.
There's also no way you can convince me that he's looking out for the fan's best interest, what we as a majority would want. Sure, we don't all agree on the same thing for the characters, but the least he could do is not completely and utterly distort the character for the sake of making a quick buck.
I mean, honestly. Him being chosen by a spider-god? Him dying, but being reborn in a cocoon with new powers? Him publicly unmasking? Becoming an Avenger? And now the possibility that Peter could be single again?
That's completely not the character we've all come to know, it's his way of making money. Which, nothing is wrong with making money, it's just the fact that he's producing crappy story after crappy story with nothing but money on his mind, not giving a crap about what the fans would like to see. That is what pisses me off.

I'm still going on the theory that after ASM #500, where Spidey & Doc Strange mess around with the timelines/parallel universes, since then we've been reading a type of alternate Spider-man giving Marvel an excuse to write stories like "Sins Past", "The Other" and the unmasking where he's out of character. I'm guessing the "universes" will be fixed in OMD, at least to a certain extent. This could explain Doc Strange's involvement also.I guess we have to wait and see.

Exactly.
He's a selfish blowhard who's not concerned with anything but what he wants.

The same can be said for most of the people that post here.

 

[farmernudie]

Well...i'll tell you what I WANT...>snickers<.......

...I don't want MJ and Pete split up again. ...BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!

JQ has already TRIED this. THAT"S THE POINT HERE.

Yet, it IS TOTALLY ABOUT WHAT JQ WANTS NOW. (assuming he is taking another go at seperating them somehow, which is what his quotes lead us to believe & the picture of MJ and Spidey being seperated by OMD.)

Think about it logically. He doesn't like the marriage & already tried to ditch it. IT GOT REVERSED FOR FAN BACKLASH. Now he is gonna take another crack at it AGAIN, in a different way. IT AGAIN WILL GET REVERSED AND WE"LL BE BACK HERE AGAIN. If he is still around, he'll plot his next way to end it. This makes no sense. Let's move forward. HE IS NOT LEARNING FROM THE PAST ON THIS ONE "SUBJECT". A good business man ALWAYS LEARNS FROM THE PAST. They don't repeat old mistakes.

Do you see him trying/forcing OTHER story plots again????

We don't see JQ writing another CLONE story to point out that Peter was never the true Spidey again, that he is just a clone again.

WHY??????????????????????

He hasn't gone back to lots of things that DIDN"T WORK before to try and FORCE THEM TO WORK AGAIN.

Yet with Pete & MJ, he is BOUND DETERMINED to take them down in any way he can think of, until either everyone accepts it or there aren't any Pete & MJ fans left that read the book to care anymore. Then he'll proclaim victory.

So, it is about his opinion, to a lot of extent, and what HE WANTS. HE KNOWS FROM PAST EXPERIENCE THIS ISN"T POPULAR WITH FANS.

He doesn't care. It's his opinion & he's convinced himself that it is "better for Spidey" to one day date his wife again, but not to re-marry her.

This "marriage controversy", mindwipe or timesweep the marriage into oblivion, and no one will ever know because marvel won't mention it thing....is just feeling overly.........forced.

 

[spider greg]

IT GOT REVERSED FOR FAN BACKLASH.

Just out of curiousity, and I'm not saying that anyone is wrong, but when was there a big backlash when she was "killed"? It was pretty obvious that she wasn't dead and would be back in the future sooner or later. Maybe it was just me.

 

[farmernudie]

Maybe BACKLASH is too strong a word...

Fans didn't like it.

It wasn't obvious to me she'd be back....becase Marvel didn't want MJ to be back....if it had worked to keep her OUT OF THE PICTURE, they would've kept it that way, imo.

That was the feeling i got anyway, during that time. Otherwise, the whole thing seemed overly long and drawn out and pointless to do otherwise. If it had been done, to just dangle it under our noses, but to bring her back, it would have happened quickly in a couple of issues. Instead they took her out of the picture for quite some time, and then even when she was "alive"....they didn't have them happily right back together either. It was all handled ODDLY, imo. Like they didn't know what to do with her. OR where they were going.

It felt like a test run to me.

Bottome Line: It was time wasted, where they could've done something to advance the marriage, instead of always moving it backwards...they prefer thinking up stories so to NOT write marriage.

 

[farmernudie]

I might add:

I'd like to see them (Marvel/JQ) do something bold moving the marriage AHEAD & solidifying it. Not taking the cheap way out and always trying to kill it or portray the relationship/emotions oddly & as unwriteable. Marriage is a good thing & can enhance a superhero story if done well.

Killing the wife, possibly killing the wife, having the wife forget she is married, or whathave-you is all so cliche.

I dare Marvel to go somewhere NEW with the marriage, not treat it like a deadly disease...and move forward.

If they split the marriage again, are people getting the feeling that they're doing it only momentarily again?? It'll be another test run, imo.

And if so, how many more times do we want to read about them patching up the marriage again, MJ is alive again, or MJ remembers being married to Pete again????

 

[farmernudie]

How DID everyone else see that whole thing with Pete and MJ???????

 

[Dark Prophet]

Yeah, everyone knew Marvel wouldn't have killed off MJ in an offpanel plane crash. There was never an intention to kill MJ in that arc. They hinted in that very issue or the next one that she was still alive. Even if the fans were happy that MJ was gone, she still would have returned since that was how that particular story arc was planned out.

Also, it's dumb to assume that Joey Q is intentionally trying to piss off fans. That's the last thing on his mind. Just because his idea of a good story doesn't coincide with your idea of a good story doesn't mean he's out to get you and that's basically what it comes down to. He wants the fans to like it because he wants the fans to buy it... thinking he wants otherwise is just moronic absurdity. Geeeez.

 

[farmernudie]

I don't think anyone on here thinks JQ is "intentionally wanting to just tick off fans".

Are they??? (well, maybe a few do...but...lol...)

He has made it clear tho he is not a supporter of the marriage, and his actions (quotes) under his watch support that time and again. He's been thoroughly thinking of every angle to do it, and which way would "least age" the character.

And while they hinted at MJ being alive, it wasn't for sure, to me anyway, they'd bring her back. (tho i knew they would, because of the FANS)

So, if they seperate them again this time in a different way, is it "sure" to everyone they'll bring her back AGAIN? Doesn't this just make it a pointless loop then to keep finding ways to NOT write the marriage instead of buckling up and writing it??? This isn't progress.

 

[spider greg]

Yeah, everyone knew Marvel wouldn't have killed off MJ in an offpanel plane crash. There was never an intention to kill MJ in that arc. They hinted in that very issue or the next one that she was still alive. Even if the fans were happy that MJ was gone, she still would have returned since that was how that particular story arc was planned out.

Also, it's dumb to assume that Joey Q is intentionally trying to piss off fans. That's the last thing on his mind. Just because his idea of a good story doesn't coincide with your idea of a good story doesn't mean he's out to get you and that's basically what it comes down to. He wants the fans to like it because he wants the fans to buy it... thinking he wants otherwise is just moronic absurdity. Geeeez.

You're absolutely right. I don't see many job ads that say "Wanted: someone to piss off a great deal of people for no apparent reason." But if I ever see an ad like that.....I'm their dude.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm still going on the theory that after ASM #500, where Spidey & Doc Strange mess around with the timelines/parallel universes, since then we've been reading a type of alternate Spider-man giving Marvel an excuse to write stories like "Sins Past", "The Other" and the unmasking where he's out of character. I'm guessing the "universes" will be fixed in OMD, at least to a certain extent. This could explain Doc Strange's involvement also.I guess we have to wait and see.

I'm crossin my fingers, hoping that you're right.

 

[Spydernorbs]

Sales figures speak louder than our posts ever do. He's a business man. Speak his language.

*obligatory freemadison clone saga tie-in*

Why did the Clone Saga drag on for so long if everyone "hated it"?

Because everyone bought it.

Why did it finally end with Peter being the real deal?

Because half the readers boycotted the titles.

Correct! That's where operation "stick it to the man" comes into play. We'll be speaking his language then.

 

[Spydernorbs]

"What would you do if you read ONE MORE PIECE OF CRAP!?"

I love this picture by the way Webx...Kudos to you!! I'm thinking of making a poster of it.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Webx wins the thread...and the Spidey forums today.

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

haha thanks doc and spydernorbs. i was thinking of making it into a shirt.

 

[freemadison]

Correct! That's where operation "stick it to the man" comes into play. We'll be speaking his language then.

Exactly

 

[SpideyInATree]

Do you all think that all this HYPE... eliminating ALL the other Spidey titles and the gimicky new thing with Amazing's schedule... is just an attempt to DEFUSE and DISTRACT the NEGATIVE backlash that they are anticipating?

Um, no. Wow, Internet posters really think they are special sometimes, haha. They are doing this because Marvel desperately wants to do a weekly comic book like DC has been doing with 52 and now Countdown. They even snagged Steve Wacker to take care of the editorial and he's the one who set up the 52 design.

I think no matter what Quesada is expecting negative backlash. There is ALWAYS negative backlash. One More Day could be really classic and true to Spider-Man history and people are still going to complain about it.

Why you ask? Because it's JMS and Joe Quesada teaming up on a Spider-Man book. To the Spider-Man fans around here that's like Hitler, Bin Laden, and Satan getting together...having sex with each other...and spawning ultimate evil baby of death.

However, I am looking forward to the long drawn out ***** fests that will follow after One More Day. Those are always entertaining.

 

[farmernudie]

spideyinatree: Um, no. Wow, Internet posters really think they are special sometimes, haha. They are doing this because Marvel desperately wants to do a weekly comic book like DC has been doing with 52 and now Countdown. They even snagged Steve Wacker to take care of the editorial and he's the one who set up the 52 design.

Well....if Marvel wants to copy DC so badly, like you say...... they're doing a really BAD job.

What Marvel is doing will be 3X title, not weekly.

Secondly, Marvel is CANCELING mulitple ongoing titles. (to do this)

DC did an actual weekly and didn't have to cancel any of their titles to do it.

They didn't cancel all the Batman titles and make DETECTIVE 3X a month....so i don't know if comparing what marvel is doing now to an event like 52 or Countdown is in anyway the same.

That being said, Marvel is doing it to try something BOLD in their opinion, to push their product and indeed has nothing to do with any of us fans...positively or negatively.

I am looking forward to seeing what the actual content of the story is and if they're still stickin' to their urge to seperate Pete and MJ no matter the cost, to their long-time fans and readership.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I think Marvel is killing two birds with one stone here. They get their "weekly" title they wanted to put out, and according to them since Friendly and Sensational aren't selling well, they cancel those while still maintaining the same volume of books a month under the Amazing Spider-Man banner that is once again according to Marvel the only Spider-book that actually sells lots of copies.

In a way it makes good business sense because they can put out just as much Spidey and do so under the Amazing imprint, and this could also possibly help with continuity between books which has been a problem as of late.

The downside right now is over-saturation of Amazing Spider-Man but honestly I'll take my chances if this means we'll have 3 "Amazing Spider-Man" caliber writers doing the book.

 

[farmernudie]

The downside right now is over-saturation of Amazing Spider-Man but honestly I'll take my chances if this means we'll have 3 "Amazing Spider-Man" caliber writers doing the book.

With all due respect.....my question (aimed at MARVEL, would be)....why not have all "amazing spider-man caliber" teams on the various titles to begin with?? HELLO??!

Does it REALLY gain "caliber" just by putting it under a different title name??

I've read lots of spidey titles over the years that weren't "amazing" and were all very good reads and sold well. (good writing maybe!?)

This move by marvel is nothing but "smoke and mirriors". I love spidey, i love amazing, and i love(d) many other spidey titles. But i am perplexed why so many people are so over-joyed by this and think it is the next best thing since sliced bread. THEY TOOK AWAY OUR CHOICES!! They forced one title...X3. This isn't consumer friendly...yet all they toot about is making Spidey more accesible in general to little kids..yet this DOESN"T DO THAT. Marvel can't have it both ways. They contradict themselves CONSTANTLY.

And while there are some people, extreme (fans) who think JQ/MArvel does this just to ANNOY them, there are just as many fans extreme fans who think marvel is doing this FOR them....or say "this is marvel looking out for the fan kinda thing".....yeh... That always makes me CHUCKLE.

Marvel isn't doing this to BOTHER any of us, nor is marvel worried about our welfare and doing it FOR us. It has nothing to do with ANY of us, either side of the (extreme) coin.

The day where the fan opinion was highly significant at Marvel is long long gone. (tho there was a time where we the fans were indeed number ONE)

JQ has his eye on the prize....his goal...which isn't US fans, it isn't even whats best for "Spidey or his universe" or continuity or origin...it is MAKING MONEY in the LONG RUN...and SECURING/PROTECTING HIS COMPANYS STOCK. Just a cold hard, sad fact.

 

[Kevin]

Why can't you seem to get that people like the idea of getting a single comic book more than once a month? Just that simple. You know how many times I said, "Damn, Iwish I could read more about those Young Avengers!" only to have to wait a whole mon--no, a few mont---wait, a year or so for the next issue? That's why it's a good thing.

Think of it this way. Back in the 60's when this book came out. Once a month, and there were no other books. I'm guessing for the poeple back then who were reading, it was torture for them. They found the stories good, and they wanted more.

Now, you could say that spectacular came out and solved that problem. I will agree, but it's really not the same thing. Spectacular had a different tone, sometimes a different cast, Just like FNSM and Sensational. But it still wasn't Amazing.

Amazing spider-man is a marvel flagship title, and they are trying to treat it as such. Some people will go for this, some people won't. And they're not exactly forcing you to buy anything, that's your choice. Who's to say there won't ever be another spidey book out there? This is something they have to give a chance to, and not be afraid of doing.

And we don't exactly know what's going to be happing in the book. We may or may not need to buy every issue to follow the story (What are those first page thingies called again? he trhing that tells us what's been happening?)

 

[Web-Head408]

Why can't you seem to get that people like the idea of getting a single comic book more than once a month? Just that simple. You know how many times I said, "Damn, Iwish I could read more about those Young Avengers!" only to have to wait a whole mon--no, a few mont---wait, a year or so for the next issue? That's why it's a good thing.

Think of it this way. Back in the 60's when this book came out. Once a month, and there were no other books. I'm guessing for the poeple back then who were reading, it was torture for them. They found the stories good, and they wanted more.

Now, you could say that spectacular came out and solved that problem. I will agree, but it's really not the same thing. Spectacular had a different tone, sometimes a different cast, Just like FNSM and Sensational. But it still wasn't Amazing.

Amazing spider-man is a marvel flagship title, and they are trying to treat it as such. Some people will go for this, some people won't. And they're not exactly forcing you to buy anything, that's your choice. Who's to say there won't ever be another spidey book out there? This is something they have to give a chance to, and not be afraid of doing.

And we don't exactly know what's going to be happing in the book. We may or may not need to buy every issue to follow the story (What are those first page thingies called again? he trhing that tells us what's been happening?)

well said, man.

 

[farmernudie]

LOL....you're totally missing my points. That's ok.

I TOTALLY understand how someone would want the same issue coming out in one month. I can think of many runs in Amazing (mcFarlane, defalco's) and other comics i would have loved if they had cranked out more than one issue as i waited anxiously for next months issue!

But that is NOT what we are getting with amazing...its already been stated, tho they've not "named" the artists and writers involved.

One artist or creative team CAN"T put out a comic that often. That is why they HAVE DIFFERENT TITLES to begin with.

Now, It will be like having multiple named titles yet all called the same.

However, that wasn't the main point i was trying to make about this whole change anyway.

However, maybe marvel is starting a new "trend"....and DC and others will start canceling their books and calling everything "batman" or "superman" or what-have-you.