Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[iloveclones]

Yeppers, that is just one of the reason's I do not like BND, because it gets rid of way too much of his supporting cast.

What the hell are you talking about? or shold I ask Who the hell are you talking about?

 

[farmernudie]

What the hell are you talking about? or shold I ask Who the hell are you talking about?

Wow,...Aren't you paying attention to what they've changed?? What have YOU been reading? Obviously, now about the new alternate spidey that was born in OMD/BND....sheesh...calm down...

Liked PEte and Human Torches friendship and rich history of pranks and being there for each other in tough times or when one needed a favor from someone they knew they could trust???

COMPLETELY GONE!

Liked Pete and MAtt Murdock and their rich history and times they've helped each other thru tough times??

COMPLETELY GONE!

Liked the relationship and dynamics of Black Cat and and Pete/Spidey and their long rich history. Everything they've gone thru together??

COMPLETELY GONE !!

Doc Conners....I mean, the list goes on....supporting cast and their rich histories...ALL GONE....ALTERED, ERASED, IGNORED. Take your pick.

If you liked ANYTHING from within continuity of Spidey before OMD...it is mostly ALL GONE....Joe did one heck of a WIPING. There is no history or continuity now.

Wouldn't be surprised if MArvel started publishing new ALTERNATE SPIDER-MAN ESSENTIALS, instead of the traditional continuity filled ones that are now a MOOT POINT.

 

[Captivated]

Wow,...Aren't you paying attention to what they've changed?? What have YOU been reading? Obviously, now about the new alternate spidey that was born in OMD/BND....sheesh...calm down...

Liked PEte and Human Torches friendship and rich history of pranks and being there for each other in tough times or when one needed a favor from someone they knew they could trust???

COMPLETELY GONE!

Liked Pete and MAtt Murdock and their rich history and times they've helped each other thru tough times??

COMPLETELY GONE!

Liked the relationship and dynamics of Black Cat and and Pete/Spidey and their long rich history. Everything they've gone thru together??

COMPLETELY GONE !!

Doc Conners....I mean, the list goes on....supporting cast and their rich histories...ALL GONE....ALTERED, ERASED, IGNORED. Take your pick.

If you liked ANYTHING from within continuity of Spidey before OMD...it is mostly ALL GONE....Joe did one heck of a WIPING. There is no history or continuity now.

Wouldn't be surprised if MArvel started publishing new ALTERNATE SPIDER-MAN ESSENTIALS, instead of the traditional continuity filled ones that are now a MOOT POINT.

They must be giddy.

They can do what ever they want and no one can b*tch about it being out-of-continuity.



I wondered why they hadn't come out with the next Essential Spider-Man (Vol. 9). It is WAY over due, and I've been checking. I have ASM on CD, but much prefer a book... even if it's b & w.

But I guess I know now... They probably won't be printing anymore because, frankly, the market for them is likely to be greatly diminished. The stories didn't happen in any CURRENT universe.

I know I feel differently about reading them... kinda like, why bother.

 

[farmernudie]

Captivated: They must be giddy.

They can do what ever they want and no one can b*tch about it being out-of-continuity.



I wondered why they hadn't come out with the next Essential Spider-Man (Vol. 9). It is WAY over due, and I've been checking. I have ASM on CD, but much prefer a book... even if it's b & w.

But I guess I know now... They probably won't be printing anymore because, frankly, the market for them is likely to be greatly diminished. The stories didn't happen in any CURRENT universe.

I know I feel differently about reading them... kinda like, why bother.

Yeppers Captivated...Joe said he wanted spidey to be more accessible to NEW YOUNG FANS...so he did away with everything, friendships, continuity..the marriage never happening...basically said he was dumbing it down to make it easier for kids...and newbies. (which was what ULTIMATE i THOUGHT was supposed to be!!)

So why would any NEW YOUNG FANS want to pick up stories that NEVER HAPPENED??? (Essentials) They don't matter now (Well to US they do)...because no one remembers them or they took place in the realm where pete and mj HAD married and harry died, and spidey HAD friends..?? That place DID exist once.

No matter how you try wording it....Joe basically insulted the fans, saying spidey is only for kids, "because it is too hard to understand" (and orchestrating it to BE HARDER to understand, admitedly, with totem pole origins and hubbabaloo galore)...so he did away with continuity. Thus, now there is TWO continuitys. World One, and the new "fresh" BND...for peope who can't follow along logically.

I guess it doesn't matter if SOME of us DO understand spidey, and would like to read a NON SESAME STREET VERSION, where continuity matters and HAPPENED. Where people still have their rich histories, friendships, etc..ya know??

Instead we gotta settle for dumbed down Spidey for beginners, with alternate history and no continuity.

 

[Blader5489]

I think you guys take things a bit too personally.

 

[farmernudie]

I just think I'm able to think things thru to their logical result....I can chew now, so i don't need pureed baby food anymore. I don't need Joe spoon feeding me Spidey for beginners.

I liked Electric Company...when i was a kid.

I liked lots of things...previously...

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Whoa! I've just thought of something... Someone else might have pointed it out but I'm not sure... It's more like a question... Mephisto tampered with continuity, thus altering the past... Am I right? But In Marvel continuity, when someone alters the past by any means, doesn't that create another whole continuity, like the Days of Future Past did with the X-men?

 

[T'Jai]

Whoa! I've just thought of something... Someone else might have pointed it out but I'm not sure... It's more like a question... Mephisto tampered with continuity, thus altering the past... Am I right? But In Marvel continuity, when someone alters the past by any means, doesn't that create another whole continuity, like the Days of Future Past did with the X-men?

ah yep

 

[Kanon]

Remember when "What if...?" lasted for just one issue?

 

[iloveclones]

Do I really need to point out that Johnny Storm just found out his ID. He was, like, the last person in the MU to find it out. So how OMD/BND invalidates their relationship is beyond me.

The rest, it's just a list of people who knew his identity - the same exact thing people have been complaining about for at least a decade or two. In fact, that was the punchline of Civil War, everybody already knew. Of all the people you listed, the only one that I wish remained was DD, but I really don't think you lose much by wiping that out.

 

[Brand]

Do I really need to point out that Johnny Storm just found out his ID. He was, like, the last person in the MU to find it out. So how OMD/BND invalidates their relationship is beyond me.

The rest, it's just a list of people who knew his identity - the same exact thing people have been complaining about for at least a decade or two. In fact, that was the punchline of Civil War, everybody already knew. Of all the people you listed, the only one that I wish remained was DD, but I really don't think you lose much by wiping that out.

You may not like Felicia, but her loss is a huge blow to the supporting cast.

Also, it's entirely possible Dr. Connors has lost much of his memory of Peter as well. There was a story several years ago that revealed that Curt knew Peter was Spider-Man, so that means that particular relationship is messed up now. Instead of Peter going to Curt for help, I guess we can look forward to yet another Lizard-going-crazy story in the future.

 

[Themanofbat]

I could use a good Lizard story... it's been a while...

And MOST of those aforementioned "relationships" that farmie mentioned were relationships formed AS Spider-Man, and NOT because they knew he was Peter Parker... As clones' mentioned, the Torch only recently found out his identity, so they're realtionship should still be the same as it's always been... the Torch may not know his identity, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't know nor trust Spider-Man... a hero who has fought well by his side for YEARS... same goes with Daredevil & the Black Cat... Christ, DD & Spidey have teamed up many times prior to one knowing the other's identity... it was almost 20 years of our time before DD found out Spidey's identity in ASM #219... and then another 5 years before Matt revealed himself to Peter in the Sin-Eater storyline... they had trusting relationships prior to that, so there's no reason why it can't go on...

There are always pros and cons with any type of change...

 

[iloveclones]

I love Felicia. And I know that they did a lot of stories with her and MJ and Pete, trying to etablish some sort of love triangle (which would never work because readers know the eventual outcome at the outset). But I don't think taking away that knowledge takes away anything essential. In fact, in one of the great, inspired moments in Spidey history, she was horrified when he did reveal it. She'll be much happier not knowing.

You guys are arguing different things. Them not knowing he was Spidey does not take them out of the supporting cast. I would argue that it is absolutely ridiculous to say so.

Same with Doc Connors. I had to think for a little while to even remember if he knew that pre-Civil War. So how essential is him knowing. Not much.

 

[Blader5489]

I could use a good Lizard story... it's been a while...

And MOST of those aforementioned "relationships" that farmie mentioned were relationships formed AS Spider-Man, and NOT because they knew he was Peter Parker... As clones' mentioned, the Torch only recently found out his identity, so they're realtionship should still be the same as it's always been... the Torch may not know his identity, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't know nor trust Spider-Man... a hero who has fought well by his side for YEARS... same goes with Daredevil & the Black Cat... Christ, DD & Spidey have teamed up many times prior to one knowing the other's identity... it was almost 20 years of our time before DD found out Spidey's identity in ASM #219... and then another 5 years before Matt revealed himself to Peter in the Sin-Eater storyline... they had trusting relationships prior to that, so there's no reason why it can't go on...

Excellent post.

And btw, Curt Connors will be back in March...not as the Lizard, but still as a supporting cast a member.

 

[Miss Webb]

No guy should be 27 and living at home unless he's taking care of his parents. That's fricken weird.

Real life, economics and family situations are more common than you think. The fantasy of all guys moving out at 18 is just that, fantasy. Or they move out and then back.

What are the rules?

I cracked up when a poster called 25-27 middle aged. I know the new Spiderverse is retro, but I didn't realize we were back to the point where lifespans were 45.

Stretching points until they snap!

 

[Kanon]

But Peter should be like 30+, and he is not just living with his aunt... he is unemployed, without prospects, sleeping until late in the morning, mooching food and money...

 

[Blader5489]

But Peter should be like 30+, and he is not just living with his aunt... he is unemployed, without prospects, sleeping until late in the morning, mooching food and money...

Peter has never been in his thirties. His age has always been pretty nebulous, in the 20-year-old range (now confirmed as mid-twenties).

 

[kainedamo]

I could use a good Lizard story... it's been a while...

Why the **** should anyone respond to what you say when you blatently ignore posts replying to you that rip your logic apart?

 

[kainedamo]

Peter has never been in his thirties. His age has always been pretty nebulous, in the 20-year-old range (now confirmed as mid-twenties).

'Tis funny, he used to be in his late 20s.

 

[iloveclones]

Why the **** should anyone respond to what you say when you blatently ignore posts replying to you that rip your logic apart?

I read those posts. Maybe you could point out the logic to me.

 

[Captivated]

'Tis funny, he used to be in his late 20s.

Yep.

He attended his 10 yr. high school reunion. Do the math.

 

[Themanofbat]

Why the **** should anyone respond to what you say when you blatently ignore posts replying to you that rip your logic apart?

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has been able to "rip my logic apart" as of yet...

Maybe you could point it out to me...

 

[Blader5489]

Yep.

He attended his 10 yr. high school reunion. Do the math.

I think ~27 still works as far as Peter's current age goes.

 

[kainedamo]

I'm gonna call this post Themanofbat hall of shame.

Nope... they did indeed happen, and the way it's being represented is that the marriage did not occur, and obviously, Harry survived in the ambulance ride at the end of Spec. #200...

Everything could occur the way it's been presented... with those minor changes.

What the **** are you talking about?

How can events possibly be the same if...

There have been a gazillion references in the Spidey books to Harry's death, Peter confronting Norman over Harry's death numerous times, and Peter even met Harry in this weird afterlife thing in one issue.

What the ****, man? Don't pretend that you've been reading comics over the last 20 years if you haven't been.

And some other poster commented on how it's like you're wearing blinders. If you're going to defend something, at least have the balls to be truthful about the facts. There is nothing minor about the recent changes.

That's easy... Ultimate Spider-Man is crap, and the stories of a photocopy named Peter Parker stuck perpetually in High School and has photocopied Spider-Man like powers and wears a photocopied Spider-Man costume and is crap.

Amazing Spider-Man is the continuing adventures of THE Peter Parker that we all knew and grew up with

Correction. USED to be the continuing adventures. Now it's just been reset 20 years and has become a totally static story that we know could never go anywhere.

who had the misfortune of going down the wrong paths in recent years and felt obligated to make a deal with Mephisto because his wife wanted him to... in hopes that if their love truly was one of a kind that HE likes, then they will find each other once again.

Except that isn't going to happen, because the whole thing was an agenda by Joe Q who hates the marriage. The whole "with our true love we will find each other again" thing is to keep suckers on board. Joe Q does not want MJ and Peter together.

As mentioned in many threads, we are two issues in, and there is more intrigue, more sub-plots, more mystery, and WAY more Spider-Man fun in TWO issues than I have seen in a Spider-Man comic in almost 25 years.

And that, my good fellow, is merley MY two cents...

Complete bull****.

Kraven's Last Hunt alone!

The Death of Harry Osborn? Now tarnished by his "resurrection (he never actually died)" fiasco.

What was that story with Ben Reilly called? The Lost Years? Can't remember, but it was a pretty damn good story. I should read that again, it's been awhile.

JMS' first arc with Morlun.

JMS' september 11th issue.

JMS' treatment of MJ was amazing.

JMS' issue where Peter revealed his identity to Aunt May. One of the best I've read in Spidey's entire history.

Even the Clone Saga had it's moments. Example, issue #400.

And the baby May mystery (would have been a million times better if they actually cleared it up).

And that's just off the top of my head.

It seems to me like you're being dishonest about just what a bad concept OMD is in order to justify it, as well as being dishonest to yourself about how bad/good the last 25 years have been. It hasn't always been a bed of roses, but to suggest that the first 2 issues of BND are better than the last 25 years is incredibly ridiculous.

Funny. I can enjoy alternate "universes" as long as core elements are there and Peter is "in character." I've enjoyed Ultimate Spider-man and I am WAY older than their target market.


WHAT are you smoking!? The problem is that Peter's been acting out of character more and more since he joined the Avengers. And now we KNOW that all the stupidity was just an AGENDA that JQ had. Peter unmasking... acting MENTAL over Aunt May... crossing lines... deals with SATAN (as in, EVIL incarnate). I have trouble swallowing that this IS the same Peter.

Combine THAT with continuity that has completely changed... HIS MARRIAGE relationship wiped out ALONE is HUGE, but we have NO IDEA what did or didn't happen in the past, who's alive or dead... and the editors are going to continue to change history, willy-nilly now because NO ONE KNOWS any better and they CAN.

So, NO, I'm sorry, but this is NOT the same Peter or the continuing adventures of the Amazing Spider-Man that we have been following for years.

BND may be a lovely story, and IF they called it what it IS -- A TALE OUT OF CONTINUITY (and there have been plenty of those worth reading) -- I would be buying it with the rest of you. I LOVE a good Spider-Man story.

But it not, and it's insulting for them to try and pass this off as such.



Insult to injury.

There was NO REASON they couldn't have done this before OMD.

Themanofbat, your posts not only lack logic, they're an entire universe away from the actual facts.

Minor changes...

first two issues better than the last 25 years...

Defending the concept of OMD, "it's true love, we'll find each other again!" oh!"

And other things that I think are either ignorance or blatent dishonesty. It's a terrible thing to be dishonest to oneself.

 

[farmernudie]

Ah, home from work, and nursing (LONG week)...and I can read posts again..and get caught up...yay!

Well, as per the (way) above mentioned relationships....it DOES change A LOT to have these heroes who are friends NOT KNOW HIM.

Yes, ( i can agree partially gusy) the points TMOB and (the other couple) mentioned that part of the relationship was forged per say more on the "spidey" side of the coin.

BUT...That changes the dynamic CONSIDERABLY A LOT Tho, to lose the PETER side of the friendship...take DD, just as one example...yes, they've had adventures before knowing...but their adventures and friendship got DEEPER after knowing each other's flip sides.

NOw Pete is like , just a "spider-man" figure to them...sure they can have new adventures...but MY point is, that i would like to be acknowledged, is that it wipes their friendship(s) off the slates period. SUre, they can become friends again...(AGAIN!!)

But, why do we need a dumbed down, history ignored Spidey. That doesn't make him better. I wasn't having a hard time "understanding" and "Remembering his friends and their adventures".

And Black Cat, Doc Conners, Felicia...others...everything is wiped away...all their rich histories...and that is SAD to me. None of all that , which i've ggrown up reading matters now.