Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Themanofbat]

I actually DO like Invincible quite a bit. I see the third volume is out now, and i want to get that. THese hardcovers are actually a REALLY good deal too for how many issues you get bound in one volume! (And for some one who hadn't bought any of the actual issues!)

Awesome... I've been fortunate to pick up Invincible since issue #1 (it was on a rack with #2, and I had been looking for something new).

I glanced at it, and decided to pick it up on a whim and signed on immediately.

I compare it to 60's/70's style Marvel Spider-Man mixed with a good dose of 21st century grit.

 

[Endless Flight]

and thats fine by me....being together is fine....didnt like the marriage part of it

Of course with them still being soul mates, where are these 'new story possibilities'?

 

[BlackLantern]

well there are a couple new villains already.....the dynamic between Peter and Harry (I always liked Harry and never agreed with his death), Spider-Man being an unregistered hero now, and that new crime scene lady, Carlie I think, it seems like her and Parker would get along...I'm wondering how long this goes before some of the classic villains reappear

 

[Endless Flight]

well there are a couple new villains already.....the dynamic between Peter and Harry (I always liked Harry and never agreed with his death), Spider-Man being an unregistered hero now, and that new crime scene lady, Carlie I think, it seems like her and Parker would get along...I'm wondering how long this goes before some of the classic villains reappear

I'm all for new villains (and new heroes) in the Marvel Universe, because God knows they've sapped all they can from the existing ones, but why did he have to be single for all this to happen?

 

[BlackLantern]

I am just amused at the fact he still lives at home and can't find a job.....He always seemed worried about MJ and I feel it took away from the character a little....I just like the vibe of the new story.....

 

[Endless Flight]

I think the best compromise would be to have one book with the married Parker, and another to have a Peter in college, set in a specific time in past continuity, say around that beloved Lee-Romita era. Bring back all the dead folks, including Gwen, and go for that untold tales vibe.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think the best compromise would be to have one book with the married Parker, and another to have a Peter in college, set in a specific time in past continuity, say around that beloved Lee-Romita era. Bring back all the dead folks, including Gwen, and go for that untold tales vibe.

I really like that idea, it would be great for everyone and people could enjoy both.

 

[Themanofbat]

We have a married Peter Parker in Spider-Girl...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

We have a married Peter Parker in Spider-Girl...

True, though I don't read Spider-Girl, but we don't have a book seperate from the on going stories in the mainstream Spider-Man book. As I said before, if we had a seperate book, everybody would be happy.

 

[Brand]

We have a married Peter Parker in Spider-Girl...

That's just it. We have a married Peter Parker, not a married Spider-Man. Under the old format (pre-OMD) we had a married Spider-Man (616), single Spidey (USM, Marvel Adventures), and the married Peter of Spider-Girl. There's no way anyone can say the new format offers more (or even as many) choices as the old one.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's no way anyone can say the new format offers more (or even as many) choices as the old one.

I defenitley have to agree with this.

 

[kainedamo]

Wtf? Bucky's death was long considered sacred, like Uncle Ben and (ironically) Jason Todd. Conceptually, retconning Bucky's death is one of the worst ideas ever.

But in execution, it has become one of the greatest Captain America stories ever. Which goes back to my original point.

I don't get how you can say that about Bucky, but when it comes to OMD you think it's just tiny changes that don't mean much.

 

[farmernudie]

I too think we should have choices so everyone canbe happy, because all we have now realy is Ultimate Spider-MAn and Amazing Alternate Spider-Man.

We should get a third choice (good stories) where it follows the adventures of married Pete who never made deals witht he devil and follow along in continuity where everything happened that happened, and the whole world isn't mentally swiss cheesed.

 

[Red_Knight]

I think the best compromise would be to have one book with the married Parker, and another to have a Peter in college, set in a specific time in past continuity, say around that beloved Lee-Romita era. Bring back all the dead folks, including Gwen, and go for that untold tales vibe.

Personally, the Untold Tales never really got me hooked, because I always wanted to be "in the loop" regarding Spidey's world. It took years until I "accepted" USM, and that takes place in an entirely different universe! Reading only Untold Tales would have felt like treading water to me.

Besides, such a series would quickly run out of steam, IMO (as UT did). I mean, there isn't really much left to explore in Spidey's early days, is there? Suspension of disbelief only goes so far. Furthermore, we'd already know the fates of all characters involved. Making this work in an interesting way without straining credibility and damaging the continuity seems almost impossible to me.

 

[Brand]

Personally, the Untold Tales never really got me hooked, because I always wanted to be "in the loop" regarding Spidey's world. It took years until I "accepted" USM, and that takes place in an entirely different universe! Reading only Untold Tales would have felt like treading water to me.

Besides, such a series would quickly run out of steam, IMO (as UT did). I mean, there isn't really much left to explore in Spidey's early days, is there? Suspension of disbelief only goes so far. Furthermore, we'd already know the fates of all characters involved. Making this work in an interesting way without straining credibility and damaging the continuity seems almost impossible to me.

I enjoyed Untold Tales back in the day, and I've been reading USM since I came back to comics (it's one of the few I'm still reading). In fact, I think USM does just about everything right that they're trying to do with the 616 version. For one thing, Bendis has managed to surround Peter with a supporting cast that's just as strong (if not stronger) than that of his 616 counterpart. I think the best thing about them is that, since so many of them are superheroes, we're getting to see both Peter AND Spider-Man interact with them. That's one major advantage Ultimate Peter holds over the 616 version now.

 

[Endless Flight]

Furthermore, we'd already know the fates of all characters involved.

That didn't seem to hurt the bottom line for the Star Wars prequels, did it?

I think that it can be accomplished, if a writer is willing to be respectful with the established continuity and finds ways to weave his stories in and out creatively. I'm sure it'd probably burn out most writers.

 

[Red_Knight]

That didn't seem to hurt the bottom line for the Star Wars prequels, did it?

True. The SW continuity was wrapped up at that point though (as least as far as the movies are concerned). The prequels filled in the blanks; they didn't live in the past while the story was progressing elsewhere. They prequels didn't weave in and out of already told stories, either; -- they served to flesh out a time the original movies described only in very broad strokes. We knew that Anakin Skywalker would eventually turn to the dark side, yes; -- but we knew very little about the nitty gritty of it. That's a world of difference, IMO.

 

[carnageehw]

Wtf? Bucky's death was long considered sacred, like Uncle Ben and (ironically) Jason Todd. Conceptually, retconning Bucky's death is one of the worst ideas ever.

But in execution, it has become one of the greatest Captain America stories ever. Which goes back to my original point.

There is one differenece your missing, and it's a HUGE difference.

Retconning a death, is remarkable simple....because history wise, you don't HAVE to change anything. EITHER WAY Bucky wasn't around.

With the marriage you are changing something everyone of us has seen for the past TWENTY YEARS. EVERY ISUUE is changed in some way. Things you saw, you didn't see, things you read, you dind't read.

A death "ret-con" is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT.

 

[Blader5489]

I don't get how you can say that about Bucky, but when it comes to OMD you think it's just tiny changes that don't mean much.

You never heard, "No one stays dead except Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben"?

There is one differenece your missing, and it's a HUGE difference.

Retconning a death, is remarkable simple....because history wise, you don't HAVE to change anything. EITHER WAY Bucky wasn't around.

With the marriage you are changing something everyone of us has seen for the past TWENTY YEARS. EVERY ISUUE is changed in some way. Things you saw, you didn't see, things you read, you dind't read.

A death "ret-con" is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT.

I'm not saying erasing the marriage has fewer implications than reviving a dead character (though I would consider reviving someone like Bucky far more dramatic than retconning the marriage). What I'm saying is that most, if not all, retcons sound terrible in theory. But when put into execution, a conceptually poor retcon--like reviving Bucky--can actually turn out to be a damn good story.

Making Peter single again via Faustian pact may have been a terrible idea, but the resulting stories (i.e. the execution of the OMD retcon) may in fact turn out well. And so far, so good.

 

[carnageehw]

What I'm saying is that most, if not all, retcons sound terrible in theory. But when put into execution, a conceptually poor retcon--like reviving Bucky--can actually turn out to be a damn good story.

Making Peter single again via Faustian pact may have been a terrible idea, but the resulting stories (i.e. the execution of the OMD retcon) may in fact turn out well. And so far, so good.

I can agree wtih this in theory, I just don't think it will, based on the various thing everyone else has mentioned, coupled with the fact that right now....it doesn't seem to be insanley well thought out and planned in advance.

 

[Blader5489]

I can agree wtih this in theory, I just don't think it will, based on the various thing everyone else has mentioned, coupled with the fact that right now....it doesn't seem to be insanley well thought out and planned in advance.

Uh...what? We already know that the post-OMD Spider-Man has been plotted out nearly two years in advance, and the existence of sub-plots running through different arcs (like the spider-tracer murder) proves that stories aren't being written on the fly.

 

[nobndfan]

There is one differenece your missing, and it's a HUGE difference.

Retconning a death, is remarkable simple....because history wise, you don't HAVE to change anything. EITHER WAY Bucky wasn't around.

With the marriage you are changing something everyone of us has seen for the past TWENTY YEARS. EVERY ISUUE is changed in some way. Things you saw, you didn't see, things you read, you dind't read.

A death "ret-con" is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT.

Not only saw for 20 years, but came to think of as part and parcel of the character. You know one thing I didn't like about the most recent Rocky movie, for instance? Adrian's death...took away a great deal of soul from the character because she was part of him. In the same way, MJ has been a part of Peter from nearly the very beginning, and has been his wife for twenty years (our time). Many of us grew to love her and that relationship. It's wrong to do what they did...it was very self-serving and really did not have the fans in mind at all. Frankly, they didn't care at all what the fans thought. I'm amazed that more fans aren't indignant by that blatant selfishness and disresepct.

 

[Themanofbat]

Not only saw for 20 years, but came to think of as part and parcel of the character. You know one thing I didn't like about the most recent Rocky movie, for instance? Adrian's death...took away a great deal of soul from the character because she was part of him. In the same way, MJ has been a part of Peter from nearly the very beginning, and has been his wife for twenty years (our time). Many of us grew to love her and that relationship. It's wrong to do what they did...it was very self-serving and really did not have the fans in mind at all. Frankly, they didn't care at all what the fans thought. I'm amazed that more fans aren't indignant by that blatant selfishness and disresepct.

The "selfishness" is not for us to judge, because Marvel Comics Inc. can do to its characters whatever they like, because the bottom line is that Marvel Comics Inc. owns the character of Spider-Man and not the fans.

And Marvel is looking to maintain fans for many generations to come rather than to keep the ones they had now that have dwindled over the years...

I don't like it... did NOT like OMD at all... but at my age, I can now enjoy Spider-Man comics like I once did... anxiously waiting for the next issue... as opposed to waiting many more years for someone to try and "right the ship" yet again, and fail miserably.

 

[Endless Flight]

And Marvel is looking to maintain fans for many generations to come rather than to keep the ones they had now that have dwindled over the years...

Somehow I don't think this will help.

 

[Themanofbat]

Somehow I don't think this will help.

You're thinking too "short-term"... I mean long after we're both dead and gone.

The first 250 issues of ASM, barring a few exceptions, are pure Spidey Gold, which was basically the first 20+ years of the web-slinger's comic life... and while very few of those buyers are around now, they helped spawn new generations of Spider-readers, many of whom still read nowadays (or have stopped), but the last 20+ years of ASM has been lacking in what the first 20 years had... and with purchasing numbers down as they have been over the last decade, Marvel is looking for "less baggage" and more "Spider Gold" in hopes to "sell" Spider-Man to newer readers AND the generation to come.

At my store, while I know of a few that have stopped buying ASM, I know a few more that have jumped on and are LOVIN' it, and these are guys with young children.

I'm not saying BND will be a success... but I'm willing to bet that Marvel is willing to risk losing a few hardcore fans in order to "potentially" gain a few more in the long run.

This of course is all speculation on my part.

Cheers...