Comics One More Day Discussion Thread

[Spider-ManHero12]

You should all check out Cable and Deadpool #50, there's an amusing reference to OMD in there.

Spoiler

SM: What did you do, Deadpool?
DP: What did I do? Leap in logic much? Two plus two equals five much? Assume makes an ass out of U much?
SM: So...what did you do?
DP: Accidentally transported all these dinosaurs into midtown Manhattan. But I had nothing to do with the Venom-look-alike, I swear!
Weasel: He didn't!
SM: Great, you got sidekicks now.
DP: I call them a loyal supporting cast Mr. holier-than-thou-fugitive-from-the-law Spider-Man. And I don't have to make a deal with Mephisto to have it either.
SM: ?
DP: Never mind.

Next page:
DP: Come to think of it, isn't this whole alien underoos thing your schtick?
SM: It's a race of alien symbiotes--they bond to a host like chest hair to David Hasselhoof.
DP: See, even your pithy references have been time-twisted! I'm so confused!

lol t:

LOL!

 

[Blader5489]

Uh.....yeh...... ......I wear a mask and everything. (Ya know, your response is too offensive to actually reply...like I've said, I've talked about before WHOSE comics I've read...but even if i talked about it again, you'd either ignore the truth or make up your own. BUt yeh, I am not personally gonna buy them.)

If you're reading the issues but aren't buying them, that's stealing. You, sir, are a pirate!

I used the word demeanor, (meaning you ACT like Spidey in a Tree).

I never said ANYTHING along the lines...that you must be him because you LIKE OMD or BND or whatever.

Okay, so then what is the criteria by which you're judging as being like Quesada or Spidey in a Tree (whoever the hell that is)?

Why is it, you get defensive and turn everything to being about whether you like BND or not??....and you make up things and make statements that outright ignore what posts say...?? Very bizarre stuff man. I swear you just enjoy starting things...by spouting random phrases that ignore what others actually say. Everything a person says on this board is NOT about whether you like BND or not. Sheesh.

Well make up your mind, am I defensive or am I prone to "starting things"?

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

So is borrowing an issue from a friend Stealing? That means I'm a thief! A Meance! My pictures should be on the Bugle's cover for crying outloud...
Fanboy Menace steals comicbook issues... probably in cahoots with that other Menace... Not the Goblin Knockoff, but The menace that J Jonah Jameson keeps raving about...

Lol about DP/SM convo... That was the real reason behind OMD... To have that conversation...

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: If you're reading the issues but aren't buying them, that's stealing. You, sir, are a pirate!

Yeh, as I've stated before, I read my best friends issue's, the guy who can't ruin his "run"....so yeh, I am a PIRATE and a THIEF....as you Blader kindly have pointed out and accused me of here in front of everyone, despite numerous times me telling you I DO real them and you telling me i don't and etc..VERY CLASSY.

(And still can't answer my questions.)

I am glad he can argue like a mad man and make instant jumps into accusations at all times.

Well make up your mind, am I defensive or am I prone to "starting things"?

Those words don't have an english language exclusive rule. People can be both. THe point was, you don't read. And your answers are written in a way that is arguementative, and some how talk about liking BND. The example I pasted before was that I said your demeanor (how you act) was like SIATS....and your reply was about LIKING BND. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that, except for by maybe starting to answer your kind words with random bizarre statements that sound arguementative and that don't answer my questions...such as the one about the importance of continuity and (even more) continuity of creative teams being able to delve into the work without interuptions.

 

[DoomRulz]

farmernudie, what do you think of the DP/SM convo?

 

[Blader5489]

Yeh, as I've stated before, I read my best friends issue's, the guy who can't ruin his "run"....so yeh, I am a PIRATE and a THIEF....as you Blader kindly have pointed out and accused me of here in front of everyone, despite numerous times me telling you I DO real them and you telling me i don't and etc..VERY CLASSY.

(And still can't answer my questions.)

I am glad he can argue like a mad man and make instant jumps into accusations at all times.

You've told me before? Sorry, my notes on your personal life must be a little behind. But since you've already confessed to being a pirate, I guess it's all moot anyway. t:

THe point was, you don't read.

I don't? Well that would make posting quite impossible, wouldn't it?

(Btw, don't act so sanctimonious; you've ignored or glossed over plenty of things that I've posted. Hell, you just ignored one of my main points from my last post.)

And your answers are written in a way that is arguementative, and some how talk about liking BND.

Mostly because the good majority of "anti-BND people" are those who either don't read ASM right now, or don't want to like it solely on principle.

such as the one about the importance of continuity and (even more) continuity of creative teams being able to delve into the work without interuptions.

Yes, and your "argument" only proves that you're not really read BND. Despite the relay race of creative teams working on ASM right now, continuity is being perfectly preserved between books (e.g., one writer introduces a subplot and the next one continues it).

 

[Blader5489]

farmernudie, what do you think of the DP/SM convo?

Are you kidding? Every other post of his is some reiteration of the "DP/SM convo" + some incorrect usage of the word "swiss-cheese."

 

[DoomRulz]

Are you kidding? Every other post of his is some reiteration of the "DP/SM convo" + some incorrect usage of the word "swiss-cheese."

I didn't ask you.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Wow...maybe I can get this thread back on topic. I've been reading alot of people's thoughts on OMD. I thought I should finally offer my own.

I have mixed feelings on arc. Time will tell if I can ever look on the story as mostly positive. I'm hoping that Marvel understands it's readers well enough to see they want the marriage back. If that happens in a few years as I suspect, then I'm OK with OMD. IF this is a permanent dissolution of the marriage, then I will be disappointed. All I can say is at least Mary Jane wasn't killed as I began to anticipate a few years ago.

As far as the story itself, I liked it despite feeling depressed as I read it. Sure, most of us think it's silly for Peter to give up his memories and future w/ MJ to extend May's life by a few years. However, As Mephisto pointed out, it really wasn't about May dying as much as it was Peter's inability to bear the feeling of responsibility. Since Peter completely reevaluated his life after Uncle Ben's death, it's perfectly logical that he would do something rash ( or do many irrational things ) if he felt that he must bear twice the emotional weight.

Likewise, MJ knew that the man she loved might disappear anyway if Aunt May died. Peter might experience a psychological break from the increased guilt. So, MJ did what was, in her mind, the best thing for her husband. She tried to assure that he would have a happy life even if that meant being apart from her. Plus, as she proclaimed, a part of her was convinced that she could accept Mephisto's deal and "find" Peter again. I thought this was good writing.

However, I was pretty disheartened to see MJ at the party looking at Peter with either longing or confusion. Watching her walk out of his life almost gave me an emo moment, but not quite. Anyway, I'm enjoying BND in hopes that this phase of Spider-mythos leads to the eventual reunion of Pete and MJ. We can only hope.

 

[Kanon]

Damn, about the deadpool thing... Isn't it pathetic how Spidey is a joke now?

If you're reading the issues but aren't buying them, that's stealing. You, sir, are a pirate!

Your logic makes me sad

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: Yes, and your "argument" only proves that you're not really read BND. Despite the relay race of creative teams working on ASM right now, continuity is being perfectly preserved between books (e.g., one writer introduces a subplot and the next one continues it).

You know very well what I am talking about. Don't play smug. They did away with continuity to make BND, plain and simple. I know they "nod" to continuity, say things like Civil War still happened (and people just don't remember it) blah blah blah....yeh...they SAY some things still happened..that is very sweet of them.

But yeh, you're right, since you know me, i DO NOT read BND, because i STEAL them as you've nicely accused me of.

Maybe i should state that YOU and YOUR arguement prove YOU are NOT reading BND...?? I'm not playing this game anymore with you Blader...all your arguing. If i do reply...I will try and channel MY inner Blader and just not answer your questions and will try harder to be smug and make lots of accusations out of thin air...sheeesh..

 

[farmernudie]

Doomrulz: farmernudie, what do you think of the DP/SM convo?

I thought it was quite funny. And very appropriate. I am actually kinda shocked Joe lets them poke at that topic....since it is very recent and fresh.

Deadpool is a great character tho and can have some great convo's when written well.

Blader: Every other post of his is some reiteration of the "DP/SM convo" + some incorrect usage of the word "swiss-cheese."

How old are you?? 9??

Why is it you attempt to be as abbrasive as possible whenever you can?

Sheesh.

 

[Endless Flight]

II am actually kinda shocked Joe lets them poke at that topic....since it is very recent and fresh.

It probably went under his radar.

 

[Blader5489]

You know very well what I am talking about. Don't play smug.

I'm not. You were talking about continuity being interrupted because of the rotating creative teams. I proved you wrong. Don't change

Maybe i should state that YOU and YOUR arguement prove YOU are NOT reading BND...??

You could, but that would be foolish. I do buy BND, I do read the issues, which is why I know what I'm actually talking about. You either don't read the issues or read them without buying them, which is why your whole opinion on OMD and BND is without merit.

I'm not playing this game anymore with you Blader...all your arguing. If i do reply...I will try and channel MY inner Blader and just not answer your questions and will try harder to be smug and make lots of accusations out of thin air...sheeesh..

Enough of this bull****, okay? I never duck or shy away from questions, I always respond to your's or other's arguments no matter how unbelievably ******ed they may be. And I'm not acting "smug." What I am doing is having a very low threshold for people like you, who ***** and moan over a comic they aren't buying/reading, regurgitate the same stupid aphorisms (anti-marriage fairy, swiss cheese memory, Ultimate-Ultimate Spiderman, alternate reality, etc.), and accuse people such as myself of being illogical apologists while contributing nothing reasonable of their own.

 

[Kanon]

You could, but that would be foolish. I do buy BND, I do read the issues, which is why I know what I'm actually talking about. You either don't read the issues or read them without buying them, which is why your whole opinion on OMD and BND is without merit.

Are you saying that your opinion has more value because you pay money to read them? If I read the issue without paying (either burrowed, downloaded or stolen) I can't have a valuable opinion? Why is it that the paying reader can truely understand the comic? Are you buying the real secret comics with the real Spider-Man while the rest get just an alternate downgraded copy?

 

[Themanofbat]

Are you saying that your opinion has more value because you pay money to read them? If I read the issue without paying (either burrowed, downloaded or stolen) I can't have a valuable opinion? Why is it that the paying reader can truely understand the comic? Are you buying the real secret comics with the real Spider-Man while the rest get just an alternate downgraded copy?

You must be talking about Ultimate Spider-Man...

 

[Blader5489]

Are you saying that your opinion has more value because you pay money to read them? If I read the issue without paying (either burrowed, downloaded or stolen) I can't have a valuable opinion? Why is it that the paying reader can truely understand the comic? Are you buying the real secret comics with the real Spider-Man while the rest get just an alternate downgraded copy?

I would say if you downloaded or stole a comic then, yes, your opinion wouldn't matter. And if you didn't read the issue at all, then your opinion would be especially discredited.

(Note: I'm using the collective you, not referring to you specifically. I don't want to appear to abrasive!)

 

[Kanon]

I would say if you downloaded or stole a comic then, yes, your opinion wouldn't matter. And if you didn't read the issue at all, then your opinion would be especially discredited.

And why is that?

 

[Endless Flight]

What if somebody read their friend's or relative's copy?

 

[Brand]

You must be talking about Ultimate Spider-Man...

To sum up the last few issues...

Ult. Peter, MJ, Johnny, Kitty, Bobby, Liz, Kong > 616 Peter, Jackpot, Harry, Lily, Carly

There are no morally questionable actions in USM, plus an intact continuity with characters that are written as they should. People still have their brains in one piece. No giant plotholes.

I'm gonna have to keep my vote in favor of USM as the best Spider-Man title.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I would say if you downloaded or stole a comic then, yes, your opinion wouldn't matter. And if you didn't read the issue at all, then your opinion would be especially discredited.

(Note: I'm using the collective you, not referring to you specifically. I don't want to appear to abrasive!)

Yeah, that's bull@hit of the highest order. Following that logic your opinion on anything cannot count unless you paid to own the item. I've never bought a bible but I've read it several times, but by your defination I don't get an opinion on anything therein. Or one might say that no one that watched a movie on TV gets to have an opinion because they didn't pay to see it at the theater. Does paying make you comprehend something better? Of course not.

Another example would be you consistantly @itching in the Ultimate 3 threads even though you've stated you're not buying it. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. If you read the matter whether you invested money in it cannot matter less as far as comprehending. I know this is a desperate and reaching attempt at discrediting anyone not buying the book thereby eliminating the boycotters, but it's just sad.

The whole point of an opinion is you get to have it no matter what. There are no requirements and the only way to invalidate someone else's opinion is to either: 1. Show them to be a hypocrite with contradicting opinions or 2. Show that they have no knowledge of the subject matter. Any other "rule" you try to impose you sure as hell better be sure you strictly adhere to or someone will just call you out and effectively invalidate your own opinion by using your "rules" against you.

 

[iloveclones]

Regarding the reading downloaded comics thing:

I've done all the things people have mentioned: paid for them, read them online, read them in the library, read a friend's, flipped through in the store, etc.

I think all those ways (maybe with the exception of flipping through in the stores) are perfectly valid ways of evaluating any particular comics. Good God, if they weren't, nobody would try anything new. Off the top of my head, comics that I didn’t buy in any form initially (mostly library browsing): Persepolis, Maus, DMZ, Invincible, Walking Dead, JSA, Runaways, and many, many others (my library kicks big-time ass) A lot of those titles, I trade-wait, and wouldn’t be if I hadn’t gotten them for free initially. So, I don’t belittle the experience of a freebie at all.

That said, I would take the advice (and did) of someone buying Invincible over someone just browsing it in the store or online. Because they’ve invested something in it. And that always means more to me. Anyone can critique, but I pay a little more attention, if someone has actually paid money for it. I mean, why should I pay money for it if the guy telling me it’s so great isn’t willing to. Can’t be that great! Conversely (for me), it makes no sense to consistently read a title, even for free, if you consistently dislike it. One or two tries is really all it takes. So in my mind, people that continue to do so are really just ammunition gathering. Maybe they just want to keep up with a favorite character, and that’s fine. But I really don’t listen to their opinion as much as the Paying Customer.

Notice, I'm not saying people can't have opinions, informed, uninformed, or anything in between. But I value certain opinions more than others. So yes, for me, Paying Customer's Opinion carry more weight than Freddy Freeloader's Opinion.

 

[Blader5489]

Yeah, that's bull@hit of the highest order. Following that logic your opinion on anything cannot count unless you paid to own the item. I've never bought a bible but I've read it several times, but by your defination I don't get an opinion on anything therein. Or one might say that no one that watched a movie on TV gets to have an opinion because they didn't pay to see it at the theater. Does paying make you comprehend something better? Of course not.

If you read the comic but don't buy it, that's stealing. If you read a comic that somebody else has purchased, then that's fine.

Another example would be you consistantly @itching in the Ultimate 3 threads even though you've stated you're not buying it. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

If you're going to stalk me through the forums, at least do it right. I used to buy Ultimates 3. I used to buy Hulk. I am no longer buying either of those books.

I will, however, still find a way to know what happens in future issues. I can't read them off the shelves (they're kind of strict about that; plus it's STEALING) and I don't download books, aside from the Spidey issues on Donald Thomas' site.

If you read the matter whether you invested money in it cannot matter less as far as comprehending. I know this is a desperate and reaching attempt at discrediting anyone not buying the book thereby eliminating the boycotters, but it's just sad.

If you don't vote (and you are eligible to), then your opinion on politics doesn't matter. If you criticize a movie or TV show without seeing it (legally), then your opinion on said movie/show doesn't matter. Comic books are no different.

 

[Blader5489]

Off the top of my head, comics that I didn’t buy in any form initially (mostly library browsing): Persepolis, Maus, DMZ, Invincible, Walking Dead, JSA, Runaways, and many, many others (my library kicks big-time ass)

Good God, that's ridiculous. My library has...books.

 

[iloveclones]

If you don't vote (and you are eligible to), then your opinion on politics doesn't matter. If you criticize a movie or TV show without seeing it (legally), then your opinion on said movie/show doesn't matter. Comic books are no different.

I don't agree with any of that.