One More Day Discussion Thread

[PhotoJones]

Please don't do that.

 

[Kevin]

No, I'm done. If this goes on any longer, I'll start getting nasty. And you wouldn't like me when I'm nasty... wait, you don't like me anyway, but I still can't keep this up. Ask Spoons how bad it can get if I do.

 

[PhotoJones]

I'll take your word for it.

 

[Miss Webb]

TALE OF THE TAPE: OMD /BND

As of 10:50, eastern standard time, 1/10 /08

Number of OMD and BND related threads

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Bust those terrabytes, people! On to the OOGLEBYTES!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Joe Q: It's got those message board psychos talking, so it must be good!

 

[Anubis]

So a friend of mine just tricked me into watching "2 girls one cup". I nearly vomitted and tried to scratch my eyes out in disgust. Interestingly enough, I'd rather watch this than read OMD again.

HA.

 

[Valechan]

I liked OMD

 

[Anubis]

Then you'll probably like s**t in a cup.

 

[moraldeficiency]

To all three of those rules, why? That just limits a writer's ability to tell the story.

Mainly because nice people don't make evil deals with the devil unless it's to help someone else, and any devil written correctly should be easily smarter than the smartest human, so to write it any other way is just crappy writing. It's not a set in stone rule, more of a guideline to not look stupid.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah upon review you're right that list is pretty flawed. Especially rule one as it goes against one of the core themes of the Faustian bargain, which is the temptation of an otherwise decent man. I would submit that the real measuring stick isn't evil so much as weakness. A well-meaning but weak-willed character will eventually talk himself into caving whereas even an ambiguously moral character will resist if he has a sufficiently fierce sense of self-determination (in the case of a John Constantine, he'll use that strong sense of self to send the Devil twisting himself into knots).

Looking at it in that sense it makes even less sense because Peter is one character who by his very nature rejects the Faustian bargain, as for him every day is a rejection of that bargain by choosing to use his gifts for good instead of his own material gain. Or put another way he made his deal with the devil when he took that wad of cash from the fight promoter all those years ago and the price he paid was in his uncle's blood, so of any character in fiction he should know on a fundamental level that the price of that bargain will always be more than he can afford to pay.

Granted from there you get into well oh it was his wife who actually signed on the line but that just leads you right into Eden mythology and after that there'll just be no helping me, so I'm just gonna stop myself here.

1. but once tempted and accepting of that the character no longer is "good" they become an antihero and the story progresses with a morality change in the character.

2. exactely, Pete's the last guy to ever make a deal with the devil for anything. The idea of it is just so out of character it makes no sense.

3. pete would never let MJ sacrifice herself for his gain, that would be even worse than him doing it. (again only if written in character)

 

[fifthfiend]

But I got what they were going for. In the comics, the Peter and MJ chapter began with that line, and with OMD, it ended with that line. They were going for the emotional response.

So basically you're saying that they once again used Stan Lee as a crutch for their own inability to write something worthwhile, using his words as the setup for a cheap emotional gimmick to try and misdirect people from the glaring flaws in their own work? Cause if that's what you're saying then I totally agree.

Wheter it worked or not depends on the person.

Sure, in the same sense of whether a con works based on the person the con-artist is conning.

 

[mathhater]

I have put up with a LOT of crappy stories over the years...admittedly foolishly so. But I have never, EVER been so disgusted with a story/character that I completely drop a title...I've always stuck with the characters that I enjoy, no matter what kind of stories they're put into.

But this BND stuff is too much for me to handle. For the first time in my life, I'm giving up on a book and I'm actually dropping any Spider-Man title for the forseeable future. I know the stories from here on out may be readable, but I just can't pick up a Spider-Man book and have him regress to where he was 20 years ago. I just can't do it...I'm dropping Spider-Man and doing it with a completely clean conscience. There's no looking back for me.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's kind of inspiring.

 

[PhotoJones]

I thought I'd miss it a lot more than I actually do.

 

[fifthfiend]

I thought I'd miss it a lot more than I actually do.

That's the case with a lot of addictions.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I don't even mind not reading it, probably because my weekly comic load hasn't really changed much as a result. There's so much other good stuff out there that dropping just one comic really can't leave much of a hole.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I thought I'd miss it a lot more than I actually do.

I miss it more, it was easy during the clone saga because it wasn't even about Pete and I knew it would be craptastic, but here I like the creative teams and the idea of one continuous book more times a month. I've decided I cannot go near an issue to keep me strong.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Just remember: if you buy ASM, the devil wins.

 

[PhotoJones]

That's the case with a lot of addictions.

Not with cigarettes, unfortunately.

Yeah, I don't even mind not reading it, probably because my weekly comic load hasn't really changed much as a result. There's so much other good stuff out there that dropping just one comic really can't leave much of a hole.

Exactly. This week I had BPRD, Scalped, The Infinite Horizon, Nova, X-Factor and The Twelve among other, lesser titles.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there was a good bit of stuff this week, plus I'm catching up on things I never got around to reading from last month still. I keep buying and reading trades instead.

 

[Xofenroht]

Just remember: if you buy ASM, the devil wins.

See...I bought BND because I'm rooting for home team!

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, there was a good bit of stuff this week, plus I'm catching up on things I never got around to reading from last month still. I keep buying and reading trades instead.

Me too. Sort of. I've been rereading Promethea and Tom Strong.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I just started reading Primordia under two assumptions: 1) it's fantasy-based, and 2) anything from Archaia's at least worth a look. Well, my faith has been shaken a bit. It's not bad, per sé, it's just a lot more... average... than I expected. The art looks pretty amateurish, too, especially in the inking. None of the inks have much weight. But I bought two of the three issues, so I imagine I'll probably just get the third issue when it's out and be done with it.

 

[Xofenroht]

"Promethea" is great. I've only read the last volume, the one with the End of the World. Moore sure does know what to do with an acid trip.

 

[PhotoJones]

I just started reading Primordia under two assumptions: 1) it's fantasy-based, and 2) anything from Archaia's at least worth a look. Well, my faith has been shaken a bit. It's not bad, per sé, it's just a lot more... average... than I expected. The art looks pretty amateurish, too, especially in the inking. None of the inks have much weight. But I bought two of the three issues, so I imagine I'll probably just get the third issue when it's out and be done with it.

I've never heard of it. I picked up their The Long Count #1. The art's great, but I can't figure out what's going on or why. You should read The Secret History. It "retcons" human history to include the influence of four immortals. We see how their influence has shaped our world. It's pretty awesome stuff.