One Scene that I know X2 screenwriters would have done better

[spideyboy_1111]

I know it's interesting and a little baffling. Had they followed the comic storyline then one guesses that Emma Frost would represent some form of the Helfire club. Which leaves the Government as the Shiar trying to kill Jean. But what would the government use as an effective deterent for an super Powerful psychic?
And how would they tie all this into the theme of going AGAINST evolution( the cure? or maybe just mutant hysteria?).

I guess I could see X3 being more about Jeans return, and still just being Phoenix, with Emma seducing her darker side. Of course the movie would have had some other major plotline going (cure/ project wideawake/ super soldiers), with a cliffhanger type resolution. Leading into X4 and Jean being Dark Phoenix

I would pay real money to get a hold of their script pitch ...

the government would attempt to use sentinels.. wich would be my guess... id have a feeling X3 would focus on the hellfire club, and sentinels.. ending with jean coming back

 

[BMM]

the government would attempt to use sentinels.. wich would be my guess... id have a feeling X3 would focus on the hellfire club, and sentinels.. ending with jean coming back

I think it would involve sentinels as well, but I don't think they would really be used until X4 . . . I think Jean would have been back in some form in X3, and over the course of event in X3 and X4 become Dark Phoenix via some means (Emma, Hellfire Club, Magneto?), wreak all kinds of havoc, resulting in the Government's realization that Jean (or perhaps even mutants) must be stopped, as they are too dangerous . . .

 

[Secret_Riddle]

For the most part, we'll never know what Bryan Singer and his writing team (Michael Dougherty, David Hayter, or Dan Harriswould) have made X3. However, from listening to DVD commentary on X2, I do believe they would have written a better conclusion to the "Dark Phoenix Saga" that was both respectful of the original comic book and make it even better. Here's a quote from one of the X2 screenwriters on the DVD commentary:

“In the [comic] book, it’s such a beautiful moment where it’s just her and Cyclops. And she says ‘I got too much power; I can’t handle it; I have to go.’ She basically uses a giant gun to kill herself right in front of Cyclops. I wanted to take that one step further and have her bring Cyclops up to her. And say, “I can’t be allowed to live; I can’t allow this to go on.” She uses Cyclops’s own beams to destroy her – which I think is what made the studio nervous about doing it because it was really disturbing, upsetting, and psychologically scarring for Cyclops; but I knew it would kick ass for the X-Fans. So like I said it got cut along the way.”

The X2 screenwriters cut this scene from X2 because they felt that "Dark Phoenix Saga" was too soon in the movieverse and because of Fox's hesitation. I do think this would be a great ending for Jean destroying herself rather than have Jean ALLOW wolverine to kill her.

god damn it i hate fox

 

[flavio_lebeau]

why do some people still believe Singer has such a love for Cylcops to the point of making him necessary to the Phoenix saga? i mean, he's the boy who likes N'sync in X2! was that scene necessary or was it just a way to screw the character????? who in this world would do this to a character that they like and respect????
also, Jean never truly cared/felt desperate to find him after he gets kidnapped in the movie. Instead she lets Logan kiss her
i think its a lil bit of preciosity to think that Cyclops would get a good treatment in this movie if Singer made it.


i dont understand this...i think its just denial, i dont think Bryan would ever give Cylcops such a good treatment.

 

[X-Maniac]

the x-men going against evolution itself would be phoenix.. not an adversary of phoenix... unless there digging into sinister and apocalypse

Yes, sorry, i made a typo... i meant 'Phoenix as an enemy' not 'Phoenix HAS an enemy'....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think it would involve sentinels as well, but I don't think they would really be used until X4 . . . I think Jean would have been back in some form in X3, and over the course of event in X3 and X4 become Dark Phoenix via some means (Emma, Hellfire Club, Magneto?), wreak all kinds of havoc, resulting in the Government's realization that Jean (or perhaps even mutants) must be stopped, as they are too dangerous . . .

na they would most likely be in X3 since singer almost put them in X2... kinda glad he didnt, i really hated his design.....

 

[crappymovie]

na they would most likely be in X3 since singer almost put them in X2... kinda glad he didnt, i really hated his design.....

Yeah, Megazoid in X3 was 10x better. No doubt.

 

[BMM]

why do some people still believe Singer has such a love for Cylcops to the point of making him necessary to the Phoenix saga? i mean, he's the boy who likes N'sync in X2! was that scene necessary or was it just a way to screw the character????? who in this world would do this to a character that they like and respect????
also, Jean never truly cared/felt desperate to find him after he gets kidnapped in the movie. Instead she lets Logan kiss her
i think its a lil bit of preciosity to think that Cyclops would get a good treatment in this movie if Singer made it.


i dont understand this...i think its just denial, i dont think Bryan would ever give Cylcops such a good treatment.

Well considering the entire point of this post is discussing one of the many ideas that they wanted to include in the movie which was actually pitched to FOX (which heavily features Cyclops in the role he was meant to play), I somehow think you're wrong. Also, there's a bit more to a character's depth than the music playing in his car . . . not to mention that it's somewhat convenient that you leave out the rest of the scene in which Jean backs away from Wolverine and tells him she loves Scott instead, and implies that she will never be with Logan . . . moreover that she clearly previously states, with concern, that she wasn't able to reach Cyclops on his communication device upon his disappearance . . . only to tell him upon his reemergence that she was so scared because she thought she had lost him and that she loved him so much.

 

[BMM]

na they would most likely be in X3 since singer almost put them in X2... kinda glad he didnt, i really hated his design.....

The sentinels were almost included in X2 because they fit the originally intended story before it was scrapped due to budgetary limitations. They wouldn't simply be thrown into X3 because they fit a once useful story . . . I'm not saying sentinels wouldn't be featured in X3 at all, but I don't think they would be the main villains . . . especially after the scene in the oval office . . . it doesn't make much sense to have a seemingly peaceful end (considering war wasn't declared against mutants at the end of X2) and then randomly launch a sentinel attack in X3 without reason . . . something would have to instigate the Government's actions, and X2 seemed to leave things on more sensible terms.

Besides, mutants and humans going up against evolution itself in X3, doesn't sound much like robots to me.

I don't mind the X2 concept design. The head was the only portion of it we see in X3, and funny enough, Singer's was more faithful to the comics than the one featured in X3 . . . I can't speak for how the rest would look seeing as how we never saw it on film.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

Yeah, Megazoid in X3 was 10x better. No doubt.

LMAO

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The sentinels were almost included in X2 because they fit the originally intended story before it was scrapped due to budgetary limitations. They wouldn't simply be thrown into X3 because they fit a once useful story . . . I'm not saying senitnels wouldn't be featured at all in X3, but I don't think they would be the main villains . . . especially after the scene in the oval office . . . it doesn't make much sense to have a seemingly peaceful end (considering war wasn't declared against mutants at the end of X2) and then randomly launch a sentinel attack in X3 without reason . . . something would have to instigate the Government's actions, and X2 seemed to leave things on more sensible terms.

Besides, mutants and humans going up against evolution itself in X3, doesn't sound much like robots to me.

I don't mind the X2 concept design. The head was the only portion of it we see in X3, and funny enough, Singer's was more faithful to the comics than the one featured in X3 . . . I can't speak for how the rest would look seeing as how we never saw it on film.

well X3 in singers eyes seems to be pre-dark phoenix... and this is what i kinda dont like.. because he was going to include emma in X3.. and then X4 introduce angel, beast and gambit.. as well as dark phoenix.. (i did here all that somewhere) so makes me wonder.. what the hell would X3 be about?

also.. one thing that never made sense to me as well wich made me think singer was saying this stuff after X3 rather then before was this..

X2's new chracters (aside from kitty, jubes, syrin and colossus cameos) were only stryker, nighcrawler, and deathstrike... wich is only one more character then X1 (since Nightcrawler and Toad werent in it) he was also wanting beast and gambit in X2.. as well as archangel (he was going to be one of strykers experiments) but those 3 were not put in... what makes him think he could introduce them all in X4? its like he would tell us stuff and it wouldnt happen... and i think that pattern would play out... plus why not introduce some of those in X3?

 

[BMM]

well X3 in singers eyes seems to be pre-dark phoenix... and this is what i kinda dont like.. because he was going to include emma in X3.. and then X4 introduce angel, beast and gambit.. as well as dark phoenix.. (i did here all that somewhere) so makes me wonder.. what the hell would X3 be about?

also.. one thing that never made sense to me as well wich made me think singer was saying this stuff after X3 rather then before was this..

X2's new chracters (aside from kitty, jubes, syrin and colossus cameos) were only stryker, nighcrawler, and deathstrike... wich is only one more character then X1 (since Nightcrawler and Toad werent in it) he was also wanting beast and gambit in X2.. as well as archangel (he was going to be one of strykers experiments) but those 3 were not put in... what makes him think he could introduce them all in X4? its like he would tell us stuff and it wouldnt happen... and i think that pattern would play out... plus why not introduce some of those in X3?

I don't know. Perhaps they (characters and storylines) would all be included and evolve together over the course of the 2 movies . . . if they were going to be filmed back to back it seems like it would make more sense to have a nice progression over the course of two movies, each building to various heads of resistence. I don't think the two movies would have been so easily partitioned . . . I think they both would have gradually blended into each other, characters and all. Who knows.

 

[BMM]

Ahhh . . . the double post.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Singers X3 would have ended with a cliff hanger about the Dark Pheonix. In X3, i think Jean would have returned but nor have become immedaitly evil like she did in XMTLS, it would have taken a whole movie of manipulation by Emma Frost.

It would have been cool if the end of X3 was the X-Men fighting the Hellfire Club, the X-Men winning, and Cyclops gets a blast in the back from an unseen foe and goes down, then the camera pans around, and The Dark Pheonix emerges from the shadows of the room. And then the "To be continued" sign would come up.

 

[Bastila]

It would have been cool if the end of X3 was the X-Men fighting the Hellfire Club, the X-Men winning, and Cyclops gets a blast in the back from an unseen foe and goes down, then the camera pans around, and The Dark Pheonix emerges from the shadows of the room. And then the "To be continued" sign would come up.

that would be a very good ending and intresting to see what would happen next as well.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, it would be a lot better than the **** we got, and then we would have gotten a great fourth movie as well focusing on the Dark Pheonix and the X-Men struggling to get the proper Jean back. And it would have been a proper Dark Pheonix as well, not the crazy-horny ***** we got instead.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think Singers X3 would have ended with a cliff hanger about the Dark Pheonix. In X3, i think Jean would have returned but nor have become immedaitly evil like she did in XMTLS, it would have taken a whole movie of manipulation by Emma Frost.

It would have been cool if the end of X3 was the X-Men fighting the Hellfire Club, the X-Men winning, and Cyclops gets a blast in the back from an unseen foe and goes down, then the camera pans around, and The Dark Pheonix emerges from the shadows of the room. And then the "To be continued" sign would come up.

sorry but no... lol sounds like a lame tv show...

esp because dp is very powerful.. and uncontrolable.. thats what i loved in the comics, and within the movie.. her "blasting scott" and it not destroying him.. just seems lame

 

[onDgrind]

wow, u lot still moaning about x3, it was a damn good movie if you would just look past the deaths and the cures, i bet if singer directed the movie with the same plot you wouldnt complain, its just because you know it aint singer directin.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

sorry but no... lol sounds like a lame tv show...

esp because dp is very powerful.. and uncontrolable.. thats what i loved in the comics, and within the movie.. her "blasting scott" and it not destroying him.. just seems lame

She would be manipulated by Mastermind and he would not let her use all of her power as it may destroy them all.

And Jean Grey may have weakened the blast, its easily explained.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think Singers X3 would have ended with a cliff hanger about the Dark Pheonix. In X3, i think Jean would have returned but nor have become immedaitly evil like she did in XMTLS, it would have taken a whole movie of manipulation by Emma Frost.

It would have been cool if the end of X3 was the X-Men fighting the Hellfire Club, the X-Men winning, and Cyclops gets a blast in the back from an unseen foe and goes down, then the camera pans around, and The Dark Pheonix emerges from the shadows of the room. And then the "To be continued" sign would come up.

Yuk. No. It does sound like a bad TV show. Not many movies could risk a cliffhanger (Matrix and LoTR got away with it because of their prominence).

Don't misunderstand me, I would have liked to see more of 'good Phoenix'..

But the movies have succeeded with Jean being a sub-plot to a main socio-political themes of persecution. In X1, Jean's subtle changes and expansion of power being mentioned was secondary to the main Magneto plot, in X2 her slow transformation was secondary to the Stryker plot. It's a shame that Jason Stryker (= movie Mastermind) did not attack Jean in X2 - it might have worked with Jean and Xavier kidnapped instead. To show Jason warping Jean's mind as she struggled with her new expanded power and those headaches and nightmares would have been better...

They wasted a perfect set-up in X2. To have Jean's expanding power, the illusionist Mastermind and then never to have the comicbook scenario of her being driven crazy by illusions was a massive missed opportunity.

 

[BMM]

Yuk. No. It does sound like a bad TV show. Not many movies could risk a cliffhanger (Matrix and LoTR got away with it because of their prominence).

Don't misunderstand me, I would have liked to see more of 'good Phoenix'..

But the movies have succeeded with Jean being a sub-plot to a main socio-political themes of persecution. In X1, Jean's subtle changes and expansion of power being mentioned was secondary to the main Magneto plot, in X2 her slow transformation was secondary to the Stryker plot. It's a shame that Jason Stryker (= movie Mastermind) did not attack Jean in X2 - it might have worked with Jean and Xavier kidnapped instead. To show Jason warping Jean's mind as she struggled with her new expanded power and those headaches and nightmares would have been better...

They wasted a perfect set-up in X2. To have Jean's expanding power, the illusionist Mastermind and then never to have the comicbook scenario of her being driven crazy by illusions was a massive missed opportunity.

Having Jason Stryker (who, although inspired by, is not Mastermind) simply torture Jean while being held in Stryker's lair does little for the Phoenix storyline. It simply serves to nip the arc in the bud by confining it to X2. Seeing as how Mastermind wasn't the only one helping to manipulate Jean in the comics, the addition of the White Queen and the possibile inclusion of the Hellfire Club, aids in the expansion of the X-universe (finally, some fresh, new villains . . .) and would have made for a great story . . . not to mention one closer to the source material . . . talk about a wasted opportunity.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

She would be manipulated by Mastermind and he would not let her use all of her power as it may destroy them all.

And Jean Grey may have weakened the blast, its easily explained.

emma would be doing the manipulation.. unless Jason stryker really isnt dead.. Singer made Jason Stryker mastermind.. it was suppose to be a nod.. same powers and same first name

 

[spideyboy_1111]

personally i would have preffered phoenix to be jeans power.. and she went hay wire when she saw her friend get killed in the car accident. Imagine her throwing cars and basically being a mini little phoenix.. Xavier and magneto came to calm her down and bring her to the school... Xavier should have installed the mental blocks to stop her from being hay wire like that... not put them in for self control like he did (wich developed the phoenix persona) This way when the mental blocks broke she lost control again being dark (dark should come first in my book) and once she regained control or someone killed her (when in reality they killed dark phoenix, not jean) jean would be back to normal and have much better control of her powers.. wich would creat "green or good phoenix"

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

personally i would have preffered phoenix to be jeans power.. and she went hay wire when she saw her friend get killed in the car accident. Imagine her throwing cars and basically being a mini little phoenix.. Xavier and magneto came to calm her down and bring her to the school... Xavier should have installed the mental blocks to stop her from being hay wire like that... not put them in for self control like he did (wich developed the phoenix persona) This way when the mental blocks broke she lost control again being dark (dark should come first in my book) and once she regained control or someone killed her (when in reality they killed dark phoenix, not jean) jean would be back to normal and have much better control of her powers.. wich would creat "green or good phoenix"

Now that sounds like a bad T.V show!!!!!! LOL

They just missed a huge oppurtunity with this movie and the wasting of the Pheonix character.

 

[Uncanny]

The ending to this movie was crap!