Organic "Victor": A Doombot All Along? (new photo inside)

[Willie Lumpkin]

And just to follow up on that.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that we haven't seen Doom anywhere? No photos on any promotional material. No USA Today scoops etc., then here comes this photo showing him apparently human . . . but with no further explanation.

I'm willing to bet that he's not going to be in that form for very long at all. Fox is playing with us by releasing this photo, and I'd say we shouldn't give them the satisfaction of taking the bait.

 

[Caliber]

What if he has a few Doombots going around and is there for some of the time? This is all too confusing.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Secondly I’m surprised that people are actually surprised by this picture. Fox were never going to hire a reasonably big star like Julian McMahon and then not show his face.

Why not? It's not like Michael Chiklis or Doug Jones are showing theirs.

To me, Julian's star power is inconsequential here and I seriously doubt if it has any impact on that photo. There must be some other explanation.

 

[Caliber]

Why not? It's not like Michael Chiklis or Doug Jones are showing theirs.

To me, Julian's star power is inconsequential here and I seriously doubt if it has any impact on that photo. There must be some other explanation.

They could be throwing the fans off but I doubt that alot since its fox.

 

[thegameq]

I thought the first Batman with Keaton and the Val Kilmer starrer was ok, (the 3rd installment) and the BB with Bale was serviceable.

I also liked a lot of the other movies. I think that these movies are hard to do and they are currently trying to figure out the correct formulae that makes not only a good superhero movie but a profitable one as well.

It appears that understanding the character is just as important as knowing what the general public is expecting.

I think we should realize that despite the success of BB the WB must be concerned that their properties are not performing on average as well as the marvel properties.

FF I heard was more profitable than BB and SR underperformed.

The shakeups with the Wonder Woman and Flash movies are not without meaning.

Oh yes, they are more than a few good and enjoyable comicbook movie attempts--depending more or less on how critical you want to be I guess.

The problem with these films are obvious; comicbooks are artistic, stylish, fantasies with intriguing stories which the films should emulate---most comicbook movies usually fail to fill each category, often sacrificing one for the other, thus losing the comicbook dynamic. Unfortunately there just doesn't seem to be enough directors capable of translating the "dynamics" of comicbooks to film. Sam Raimi is a Spider-man fanboy who basically put the comicbook on the screen and let the material stand on its own. He "gets it". Donner was a Supes fanboy, he "got it" and let the material stand on its own.

Brad Bird, an obvious comicbook fanboy, "got it". He gave us the stylish, scifi-fantasy adventure imagery many normally associated with the FF. He "got it".

I'm sure there are big name directors who are fanboys, who do understand the comicbook dynamic, but don't want or need the headache or strife (check out the Transformers board, or any Transformers board to see what Spielberg and Bay are dealing with). When I see those Alex Ross paintings of the FF it screams Spielberg or Jackson, not Story--no offense to Tim intended....I'm sure Fox is having a sizable say in how this movie turns out as well.

When the presentation and execution is right the rest usually falls into place. Sadly such events are rare when it comes to comicbook films.

Ahhh nuts...

I think WB will be leary of the heavy handed approach to comicbook films; BB and SR while good films were somewhat dreary and not what many were hoping for and expecting. Both directors decided to do their own thing and paid the price. I credit Nolan for his darker take on Batman, unfortunately he sacrificed the dynamic that makes Batman "Batman" for the sake of realism.

Audience have proven time and time again that they love fully blown fantasy films--but they have to be done well or get dismissed or scoffed at in the future. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Supes and the upcoming Flash and Wonder Woman films leaned more heavily towards the stylish fantasy spectrum.

 

[HoratioRome]

So... you've got two options...

1. Support the movie and all it's flaws and hope that the producers listen to the fan outcry regarding all the things that need fixing.

2. Don't support the movie and bash it at every turn... convincing everyone NOT to go see it and/or buy the DVD... thus ensuring that no 3rd film gets made. Once Fox sees the boxoffice numbers drop... they'll shelve the idea of a Fantastic Four in the movies - permanently.

Thus ensuring that you'll NEVER see the classic version of the FF on the big-screen because -- when it's pitched to a major studio -- they'll fall back on the "The original FF movie series failed due to lack of boxoffice numbers". The studio is NOT going to look at the reasons why boxoffice was down... just that receipts were down.

In my mind... I choose the lesser of the two evils and accept that the current version of FF in the movies is not now, nor ever going to match the classic comic version of the FF... but I still get to see them in some form on the big screen.

I'm sorry but I disagree that these are my 2 options.
IMO, supporting the movie will not encourage the producers to make ANY changes. Once they've made their money that is all that matters. Look at what happened fro FF to FF2. the movie made enough money to make a sequel but there was a HUGE outcry to repair just a couple of things going forward. 1)Thing's brow. Whether you think that's silly or not people wanted the brow.
2)Dr. Doom to be, act, and look like Dr. Doom.

So far we know that they completely ignored the first wish, and it looks like they may be doing the same with the second. (based on the toys and these pics).
So it looks to me like supporting these movies actually does the opposite. It gives producers the ability to do whatever they damn well please, because one way or another they got us.

I further disagree that NOT seeing the movie means it will never be made. Not when other Superhero franchises are making TONS of money. There is a direct correlation between how faithfull to the comics the movies are, to how successful they are in the BO and how well received they are.

Not supporting movies that take liberties is the best way we have to teach hollywood the lesson that they need to stick to the cource material

 

[Kelly]

I'm trying to figure out how......

1). Liking what has been seen thus far shows that you are in full support of the movie....
2). Disliking what has been seen thus far shows that you are not in support of the movie....

You support the movie by buying the ticket....
at that point you....
1). Support it by buying the ticket....
2). Do not support by not buying the ticket....or being a little weasel and buying a ticket to another movie and sneaking in to see F4....lol

We are all just speculating and giving opinions at the moment....

The movie is pretty much "in the can" at this point you can look forward to hopefully a great movie....or look forward to a dismal movie....thats the choice....the support comes later in the form of money.....

BTW, The source material is not made by God.....It is needed to a certain extent, but certainly is not the end all to the quality of the movie....I'm sorry but I would not want to see a movie set in the 1960's as the F4 go off to fight the commies....BUT would I have liked to have had the palet of characters used from the comics....yes.....Scientific (tunnel vision) Reed, Smart mouth/protector of his sister Johnny.....Go kick some ass/turmoil driven Ben.......Compassionate/Stable backbone of Sue.....YES.....but thats not necessarily "source material" those are the mainstays of the characters throughout the comics, different issues....doesn't matter those things have remained.....and it is these things that I was the most unhappy about from the first movie.....hopefully those things will come out in the sequel....AND I won't have to hear that damn excuse again of "well its an origin movie....sooooo.............."

But no matter what, negative/positive....it comes down to the glass half empty, the glass half full........

I need to stop drinking from the glass.....I'm not sure which it is anymore....

 

[Iron Maiden]

Not supporting movies that take liberties is the best way we have to teach hollywood the lesson that they need to stick to the cource material

I am afraid you're living in a utopian world. There was a quote once (which I will paraphrase) about Hemingway, I believe it was. Someone asked him if it bothered him that Hollywood was "ruining" some of his books. He turned and pointed to his bookshelf and said "No, they're not... I have them right here." Willie, wasn't that you that pointed this one out? t:

And Kel has a point.... I don't think we're going to see Doctor Doom sitting on a throne wearing pantaloons, petting a tiger and sending the FF off to find Blackbeard's treasure anytime soon on film. Nor would we want to. Even in the comic book world, the Ultimate FF, a reboot of the original, outsells its parent title. Marvel has also rewritten the FF origin back when they loaned the title to Image and the Heroes Reborn titles, where Sue was pregnant out of wedlock and sporting a navel ring, were published. If Marvel doesn't always "stick to the source", why should Hollywood?

 

[YJ1]

Interesting theory . . . my guess is you're reading way too much into it.

People are reading WAY too much in to it. Doom probably heals and, like 3/4 of the Fantastic Four, can turn his movie powers on and off.

Movie Doom will never be comic Doom so people need to get over it. FF2's Doom has the potential to be a great character and far better then any action incarnation we've seen to date. FF1 Doom wasn't like his 616 counterpart and ALL the animated Doom's have been a cheesy joke.

BTW, The source material is not made by God.....It is needed to a certain extent, but certainly is not the end all to the quality of the movie

Amen to that. This is something that a lot of the whinny fanboys over on the X3 boards still can't comprehend.

 

[highguard]

I'm trying to figure out how......

1). Liking what has been seen thus far shows that you are in full support of the movie....
2). Disliking what has been seen thus far shows that you are not in support of the movie....

You support the movie by buying the ticket....
at that point you....
1). Support it by buying the ticket....
2). Do not support by not buying the ticket....or being a little weasel and buying a ticket to another movie and sneaking in to see F4....lol

We are all just speculating and giving opinions at the moment....

The movie is pretty much "in the can" at this point you can look forward to hopefully a great movie....or look forward to a dismal movie....thats the choice....the support comes later in the form of money.....

BTW, The source material is not made by God.....It is needed to a certain extent, but certainly is not the end all to the quality of the movie....I'm sorry but I would not want to see a movie set in the 1960's as the F4 go off to fight the commies....BUT would I have liked to have had the palet of characters used from the comics....yes.....Scientific (tunnel vision) Reed, Smart mouth/protector of his sister Johnny.....Go kick some ass/turmoil driven Ben.......Compassionate/Stable backbone of Sue.....YES.....but thats not necessarily "source material" those are the mainstays of the characters throughout the comics, different issues....doesn't matter those things have remained.....and it is these things that I was the most unhappy about from the first movie.....hopefully those things will come out in the sequel....AND I won't have to hear that damn excuse again of "well its an origin movie....sooooo.............."

But no matter what, negative/positive....it comes down to the glass half empty, the glass half full........

I need to stop drinking from the glass.....I'm not sure which it is anymore....

I like how you think JMFAN, I understand how HR feels but I am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.

I hope to get all I want but if i only get 50% I will take it. thats better than nothing.

If you had a choice of 50% of a 100 dollars or zero would you take zero.

That is why I would never go along with people who say lets boycott a movie if say they don't make the brow big enough or Doom's character is off or whatnot.

This is not 40 years of a collection that I have most of the issues for.

These are once in a lifetime events that I will probably never revisit again.

The next cycle I doubt I may be into these movies as much providing the world is still here.

So to me its like, lets get what we can now. I am going to see this movie and I think I am going to love it but again I am easily pleased.

50% is enough for me, heck I might have paid to see Corman's version.

...ummm on second thought no probably not Corman's version, lol

 

[Joe Rockhead]

I'm sorry but I disagree that these are my 2 options.
IMO, supporting the movie will not encourage the producers to make ANY changes. Once they've made their money that is all that matters. Look at what happened fro FF to FF2. the movie made enough money to make a sequel but there was a HUGE outcry to repair just a couple of things going forward. 1)Thing's brow. Whether you think that's silly or not people wanted the brow.
2)Dr. Doom to be, act, and look like Dr. Doom.

So far we know that they completely ignored the first wish, and it looks like they may be doing the same with the second. (based on the toys and these pics).
So it looks to me like supporting these movies actually does the opposite. It gives producers the ability to do whatever they damn well please, because one way or another they got us.

I further disagree that NOT seeing the movie means it will never be made. Not when other Superhero franchises are making TONS of money. There is a direct correlation between how faithfull to the comics the movies are, to how successful they are in the BO and how well received they are.

Not supporting movies that take liberties is the best way we have to teach hollywood the lesson that they need to stick to the cource material

Thing is, I have no faith that the studios will get it right. It's simple as that. It's quite obvious that Fox isn't going to get it done. And if the franchise fails at Fox... I really can't see another studio picking up the pieces and starting over again.

So right now... in my mind the only two options available are to either support the movie that's lacking in several respects or decry the movie and try to force them into making the changes desired. And I just don't see them making a concerted effort to make the changes.

So I can sit here and stew about the things being the way they are or I can just deal with it. Because it seems no matter what we as fans say or do... we have absolutely no control of the situation.

Zero, Zip, Nada, Zilch... not a single damned bit of control.

The movie franchise is just not being created for us fans... it's for the mass consumer who really couldn't care less about the long history of the Fantastic Four.

It doesn't mean I like things the way they are... I just feel that there's no changing it.

 

[GoblinScrier]

People are reading WAY too much in to it. Doom probably heals and, like 3/4 of the Fantastic Four, can turn his movie powers on and off.

Movie Doom will never be comic Doom so people need to get over it. FF2's Doom has the potential to be a great character and far better then any action incarnation we've seen to date. FF1 Doom wasn't like his 616 counterpart and ALL the animated Doom's have been a cheesy joke.



Amen to that. This is something that a lot of the whinny fanboys over on the X3 boards still can't comprehend.

I disagree. Yes, FF1's version of Doom was pretty pathetic compared to the majestic quality of the 616 comic book version. However, there is always room for improvement and they could make this sequel's Doom a lot closer to the comic in appearance and attitude. More than likely, Doom will be Doomed and it is such a shame. How Darth Vader will always go down in movie history as such a great villain and the character that was responsible for him will never be given his proper due. You know, as probably one of the biggest fans of the good doctor on here, if I let it bother me on an emotional level (in other words, obsessed fan , I would cry like a big baby. It is unfair to see Magneto brought to life properly. Green Goblin (Norman Osborn was done correctly, and the basics were done right for the costume, (i.e. glider, "pumpkin" bombs, razor bats, etc.).)

Doom had from the top half of his body, a pretty close comic book and that was it. Everything else died a horrible death, especially his origin, dialogue, and everything in between. Honestly, I don't know if I can take another disappointing version of Doom again. I swear that Story has gotten me so excited with his "Full Doom" and wait until you see the armor, the plotting and planning, and his intelligence spiel, that I don't know what to believe anymore. Fox may be good at promotion but they need to sell all of their comic book franchises to some other company who can hire all the right staff. They did great for the most part with X1 and X2...

 

[InVictus]

FF1 Doom wasn't like his 616 counterpart and ALL the animated Doom's have been a cheesy joke.

No.
Go see all Marvel Ultimate Alliance cgi full motion videos.
*edit*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoOEzxhugA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoOEzxhugA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmiZeNTc9yk

 

[GoblinScrier]

Besides, second season 1990s Doom was incredible, very much like the comics, in fact design wise and vocal talent was superb

"A toast Boris, to Reed Richards and the F4, who have of late, passed on to the undiscovered country...the wreft of their interference, I am free to bring much needed peace and order...to a world gone mad."--"And a blind man shall lead them."

 

[Spade]

Besides, second season 1990s Doom was incredible, very much like the comics, in fact design wise and vocal talent was superb

"A toast Boris, to Reed Richards and the F4, who have of late, passed on to the undiscovered country...the wreft of their interference, I am free to bring much needed peace and order...to a world gone mad."--"And a blind man shall lead them."

That's because Simon Templeman's voice acting >>>> all other VA's. I'm not exaggerating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEuHj83vmw

Doom needs a commanding voice like Kain's. If they can give me that, I'd be happy.

 

[WTFimVENOM]

Question everyone. It is impossible to judge anything by a single pic, so I'm not asking us to. but, I'm wondering what you'all think. judginjg the picture alone, does it look solid and grounded or cheesy and rather weak?
Does Doom come off like a powerful Monarch or some lame cartoony villain? Does the acting seem on point or does it seem poor?

compared to something like this for example,







or even any of these http://spiderman3.sonypictures.com/site/main.php

Anybody else notice the wall in the backround? Looks like thing smashed Doom into the concrete wall even tho hes in human form.... does this mean cosmic doom perhaps?

 

[Saint]

The answer is simple: He uses the powers stolen from the Surfer to restore his natural body.

 

[bosef982]

These doombot theories are simply laughable...

 

[Fanticon]

I'm gonna say...Viktor was already producing decoy/robots of himself long before he went up to space...when he and everything else left to his name were shipped to Latveria, he took with him, the prototypes of his robot/cyborg self...on Latveria...he'll continue production on and have several versions of Doom Bots.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Actually could be interesting if he uses the PC to transform his body into a normal organic one, loses the power, and is left with a very badly scarred body it would be like retconning the whole first movie premise for Dooms powers.

Just an idea albeit an unlikely one.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

This would be the biggest back pedal in movie history but I LOVE the idea.

Doom deserves way better than to be a Donald Trump wannabe with a skin disorder. And the idea of the REAL Dr.Doom sending a doombot to America to trick, spy, manipulate, and conquer sounds exactly like something Dr.Doom would do.

I agree.

They could go with the Doombot theory and i wouldnt mind.

 

[bosef982]

Does anyone here realize how idiotic the doombot theory is? Anyone? Or how obvious it is? Sure for the fans, you'd stomach it with your mixture of dislike for F1's Doom and your comic book knowledge, but non-comic fans (the majority of the audience) would simply laugh it off as contrived (which it is) and idiotic!

Jeez, have you people lost it????

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Does anyone here realize how idiotic the doombot theory is? Anyone? Or how obvious it is? Sure for the fans, you'd stomach it with your mixture of dislike for F1's Doom and your comic book knowledge, but non-comic fans (the majority of the audience) would simply laugh it off as contrived (which it is) and idiotic!

Jeez, have you people lost it????

Hmmm. Since it's my theory, are you calling me...an idiot Bosef? Choose your words a bit more carefully bub...we read you right the first time, so there's no need to troll.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Again, the tired "majority of the audience would laugh at it" theory.

I've said it before, and i'll KEEP saying it; it's all in the delivery. Audiences have been accepting fantastic and unlikely scenarios from sci-fi/fantasy movies for roundabout 90 years now.

Doombots are a big part of FF history.

If anyone finds that plot device "laughable", then in all due respect; maybe the Fantastic Four just aint their "thing".

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Does anyone here realize how idiotic the doombot theory is? Anyone? Or how obvious it is? Sure for the fans, you'd stomach it with your mixture of dislike for F1's Doom and your comic book knowledge, but non-comic fans (the majority of the audience) would simply laugh it off as contrived (which it is) and idiotic!

Jeez, have you people lost it????

It's hardly idiotic or contrived... Doombots have been part of the Fantastic Four history for nearly as long as they've been published. I'd rather they go that route than to continue giving us a Dr. Doom that is so much less of a menacing character than the true comic version.