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Discussion in 'Spider-Man Sequels' started by WhatsHisFace, Dec 7, 2007.
Should there be mechanical webshooters or organic webshooters?
organic work for the Movies,so organic
Organic Webshooters should stay in the film's IMO.
I don't care honestly.
You can't change it now and I honestly don't care.
The organic web's suck in the comics, but worked in the movies. And since they've already established this in the films, they might as well stick with organic.
welcome to 6 years ago.
To answer the question, I would prefer mechs for a variety of reasons, one, it illustrates, Peter's scientific and inventive genius, 2) we could have gotten scenes where once again, he shows of his cerebral skill by maybe having to come up with a new formula to mix with his webbing for certain situations and 3) the potential plot devices are almost endless with the malfunctioning if the mechs. This sort of thing may facilitate spider-man to use his brain a lot more than he has in these movies.
Spider-man's organic webshooters in the movies were an embarrassment. I never want to see anything like it again.
This word needs to be banned from the Spider-Man boards.
Organic. Mechanical never made sense, since Peter made it in high school.
Organic for movies...ONLY...
Ill take organic for a 1000 please....
Yes, mechs dont make sense in a world where a teenager gets bitten by a spider and instead of dying gains superhuman abilities. Stop embarrassing yourself.
It's the word that best sums up these movies.
I don't care.
organic, mechanic, that doesn't change much for me
Unrealistic situations are much easier to buy than unrealistic characters. Except in the context of a farce, I feel that I can pretty much suspend my disbelief enough for any scientific implausibility (i.e. the creation of Sandman, or Spider-Man) as long as it is integral to the plot and consistent with the tone of the rest of the movie, but I cannot suspend my disbelief to unrealistic characters or blatant violation of logic, unless it is purposeful and intentional, not just lazy writing. Peter being bitten by a spider is a scientifically nonsensical plot device, but I can buy into it because it's integral to the plot and is consistent with pretty much everything else that happens in the Spidey universe. Peter inventing web-shooters like that, while he's in high school, while the U.S. military hasn't been able to? Not only is that highly unlikely, given that Peter would pretty much have to be one of the greater scientific geniuses of our time, it would be inconsistent, given that we never see Peter implement that level of genius in any other ways. If he can make a mechanical webshooter like that, why isn't he using his mechanical and chemical know-how for other things that could make crimefighting MUCH easier? Or why on Earth is he working for the Daily Bugle instead of making millions of dollars developing state-of-the-art technology?
Exactly my point.
We've gone three movies with 'em. Why change now?
I do like how Peter changes them to find new ways to stop foes (like he could have put concrete resolvant into them to fight Sandman). But it is moot now. Also, we did have the "oh no, not now!" loss of web fluid in SM2 in a sly sort of way.
That makes no real sense, especially when you apply it to a conecpt of fantasy/fiction. There's a reason why films like HP, LOTR, Golden Compass, Narnia and other fantasy movies based on fantasy books are so popular and do so well....they embrace the source material for what it is and until comic book movies start doing the same, they'll always be generally crap.
With that logic, it shouldn't be a stretch for to Peter to be intelligent enough to invent web-shooters. Providing the writer/director took the time to explain this in a plausible enough manner, there shouldn't be a problem. How many people are going to see Iron Man when it comes out?? Many I'm sure. Despite the financial resources available to Tony Stark, it's virtually impossible for him to create the ironman suit and make it do what it does, yet people are going to lap it up.
Is it that much of a stretch?? Peter was an outcast, he had no social life and like all geniuses, he would have had plenty of time to pick up a variety of books and expand his knowledge to become such a genius.
If the writers bothered to characterise Peter properly in the first place, it wouldn't be an issue at all. Peter could have experimented with his mechs, come up with a new formula to mix with his webbing to come off as more effective when fighting against the likes of sandman.
In the comics he has BUT these movies refuse to characterise peter properly and make him come off as an idiot.
Because Peter is a humble human being. Despite his high levels of intelligence and super powers he wants to do what he's interested in. Peter with his powers when in serious financial situations could easily acquire some capital to get him out of that trouble....anyone of us here in that situation would do it but he wouldn't. Peter would also rather pursue a career in something he enjoys more and gives him flexible time to do his superhero gig and working 9 to 5 or whatever at some high tech firm aint gonna cut it. Peter is a simple man at the core, despite his intelligence and powers. He doesn't want to be like Tony Stark, he just wants to be himself. Its not hard to understand and its why I personally, will never fully respect these spidey films or the hacks who make them....but thats just me.
Those fantasy novels take place in their own worlds, where our rules don't really apply. Even so, the characters themselves are not unrealistic. Their emotions and reactions to their situations are for the most part, totally plausible, especially with Harry Potter.
You're right, Tony Stark almost certainly WOULDN'T be able to make the Iron Man suit, but it isn't nearly the stretch that Peter making mechanical web shooters. Tony Stark is a billionaire whose job revolves around military technology. Peter Parker is a high school student.
Very, very smart? Yeah, I can buy that. One of the greatest scientific geniuses of all-time? No, I don't buy that. The amount of money, time, and manpower that goes into the development of military technology is ridiculous. New equipment is designed over long periods of times by huge teams of scientists. One high school student doing that over the short period of time between when he acquires the powers and actually adopts the Spider-Man identity is absolutely absurd, especially if he's keeping his grades up. If he was able to do this, his intelligence would positively dwarf those of Norman Osborne and Otto Octavius. It wouldn't even be close.
But okay, let's presume Peter is that smart. I'll give you that for now. Then shouldn't he be smart enough to think of better ways to help people than dressing up in a colorful outfit and fighting crime on an individual basis? Why doesn't he develop a cloaking device that makes him invisible? Why doesn't he give himself a super-lightweight armor that makes him impervious to injury? Why doesn't he develop some non-lethal projectile weapons that he can use to incapacitate criminals and villains from a distance? With that genius, and all the stuff he could design, he only makes one thing, that thing being webshooters...? Yeah. Right. Hell, why doesn't he collect his Nobel Prize for the invention, make billions of dollars off of it, and use that money to help fight poverty, a much more direct way of protecting people from crime? If he's so brilliant, why does he only use his genius to the extent that just one guy is helping people on a single crime-to-crime basis in the limited New York City area insofar as he has the time and knowledge to get to the spot in time?
And I didn't even mention the issue of Peter's access to the resources to build the damn thing. Even if he can design it, where does he get the hard materials and chemicals necessary to actually make it? And where does he do it? In his bedroom? That's easy to do unnoticed.
You can have my mechanical webshooters when you pry them out of my cold, dead hands!
Why is this even an issue anymore? Is there nothing better to think about?
Yeah, I remember the organic/man-spider debate when the first movie came out...heck, even the goblin ranger was just as bad. Hell, these debates still resonate to this day. I don't know if people can't/wont let it go.
Hello year 2001...nice to see you again.
I've never really liked it when movies, even superhero movies, pull some random tech out of nowhere in the present date, when we have nothing to compare it to. At least X-Men takes place in "the near future", so that sort of helps.
This is why I liked the organic shooters. The comics never even really explain how he came up with it. Ultimate tried, but man was that horrible.
Still, I don't see why this is necessary to discuss. They're not going to change it now.