Our Heroes' Kryptonites

[ragdus]

So far, ikiN only appeared when Niki was near a mirror.

What about then she thrashed that guy in the elevator? There may have been reflective surfaces, but she didn't look into them. She switched as the camera swung behind the guy's head.

 

[ragdus]

I have a feeling that Issac doesnt really need to be high to paint the future- it is just a mental crutch for him.

That's already been proven. If it were the case peter couldn't have gotten his abilities without also shooting up.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

still she had to go outside to get there. where are the mirrors then?

Pretty much anywhere, including windows or any reflective surface. Even a water puddle could do the trick.

i'm not saying it can't be right that she only comes out when mirrors are around, but there just has to be more to it.

There's always more to it, judging by how things are progressing so far. Even the "weakest" episode had a good bunch of cool revelations and turnarounds.

 

[primemover]

That's already been proven. If it were the case peter couldn't have gotten his abilities without also shooting up.

Not really proof, as just because Isaac needs a muse(heroin) to see the future, Peter might not have such a weakness and might just have better willpower.

Also, somebody else mentioned that Peter could also be a power copier that actually gets the powers to a higher degree, as some characters in comicdom have been able to do like Paragon.

 

[primemover]

Claire has the biggest weakness, ie she's a young girl.

I don't care if she can regenerate, knocking her down or just plain restraining her would all you would have to do if it came to a fight, and God help her if an enemy figures out her 'off' button, unless she trains real soon to become a ninja, she's kind of worthless and a shiv behind her ear and that's that.

Unless her powers grow or extend and she gets super strength or some level of invulerability, her heroics will be limited to saving animals and small children in fires.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Unless her powers grow or extend and she gets super strength or some level of invulerability, her heroics will be limited to saving animals and small children in fires.

Her powers ARE growing. She cannot feel pain anymore.

BTW, what if Claire's powers grow everytime she "dies" and comes back?

 

[primemover]

Her powers ARE growing. She cannot feel pain anymore.

BTW, what if Claire's powers grow everytime she "dies" and comes back?

While that would be a decent addition, and could open the door for the possibility you mention, she needs to do a lot more to be useful.

One thing I was thinking of was, if she regenerates super fast like Wolverine, she can be enhanced like Wolverine was to be more of an offensive weapon, because her body can 'take' it, like Wolverine.

One thing is drugs, drugs to spike her adrenaline, blood doping for endurance, PCP for bezerker strength, and even things like steroids, since any damaging affects by any of these would be nullified by her regeneration.

The other is bionics, since her body would not reject foreign bodies, or at least that rejection would be moot, they can do some fun stuff!

 

[3 Dev Adam]

That makes me wonder how Future Claire will look like...

 

[lars573]

While that would be a decent addition, and could open the door for the possibility you mention, she needs to do a lot more to be useful.

One thing I was thinking of was, if she regenerates super fast like Wolverine, she can be enhanced like Wolverine was to be more of an offensive weapon, because her body can 'take' it, like Wolverine.

One thing is drugs, drugs to spike her adrenaline, blood doping for endurance, PCP for bezerker strength, and even things like steroids, since any damaging affects by any of these would be nullified by her regeneration.

The other is bionics, since her body would not reject foreign bodies, or at least that rejection would be moot, they can do some fun stuff!

Your assuming that those could work on her. That her super regenerative body could feel affects from those things.

 

[primemover]

Your assuming that those could work on her. That her super regenerative body could feel affects from those things.

At the moment I can't see why not, is this that whole 'Wolverine can't get drunk' thing? I wonder how that works, I can't see how regenerative powers makes one immune to an adrenaline rush or narcotics as from what I know there is no immediate damage being done for the affect to be felt, all the damage is long term.

 

[SLVRSR4]

Very interesting weaknesses. What i do find to be Hiro's weakness is stereotypes. When seen in the future he had to have a katana!

 

[gambitfire]

One thing I was thinking of was, if she regenerates super fast like Wolverine, she can be enhanced like Wolverine was to be more of an offensive weapon, because her body can 'take' it, like Wolverine.

LMAO what are you kiddng me?

Wolverine's regenarations speed are DOTW.

Depending On The Writer. .

There was no super fast back in the day, it took him some serious time, hell in few issues today it still does.

Anyways back on topic.

I wonder if DL's Weekness could be a dense Metal, like Kittys.

 

[HerosOnFilm]

Or maybe Niki has multiple personalities and hallucinates. Perhaps her real power is superhuman strength. How else could she throw her hubbie around and take care of all those guys? What, is her reflected self a ju jitsu master?? There's more to Niki than realized...

 

[primemover]

Or maybe Niki has multiple personalities and hallucinates. Perhaps her real power is superhuman strength. How else could she throw her hubbie around and take care of all those guys? What, is her reflected self a ju jitsu master?? There's more to Niki than realized...

If isn't explained that Niki's alter has some sort of super strength, it will really dissapoint me, as even though I can suspend my disbelief enough to accept superpowers, I can't enough to accept a 110lb woman tossing a 180lb man like she did in that scene.

 

[primemover]

LMAO what are you kiddng me?

Wolverine's regenarations speed are DOTW.

Depending On The Writer. .

There was no super fast back in the day, it took him some serious time, hell in few issues today it still does.

Anyways back on topic.

I wonder if DL's Weekness could be a dense Metal, like Kittys.

From what I heard Wolverines healing powers are super fast, they are just ******ed due to dealing with his adamantium laced bones, and once that was ripped out his regeneration was brought back to it's normal level.

But like you said, it could just be a DOTW deal.

 

[gambitfire]

key word, from what you heard.

but back in the day it took him a good while to heal it was faster than normal humans but still not X3 fighting Phoenix quick, that was just down right ridiculous.



Oh BTW i think it was said in that interview thread that Niki's Dark side has Superhuman strenght, i figured by now it's obvious.

 

[Lando7763]

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, since this has been said a bunch of times, but apparently it still hasn't sunk in with some people.

Isaac does NOT need heroin to use his powers. It's a crutch. I'm sure he was a junkie, long before he discovered his powers, and no one is going to argue that heroin GAVE him powers. Plus, Peter didn't need it to finish Isaac's painting. You'd think that be proof enough.

Niki doesn't need mirrors or reflective surfaces for her power. It's just convenient, to easily convey the ability on screen. Because it would look stupid to see her talking to herself constantly, and changing her voice to represent which Niki was in control. Norman Osborn had the same thing going for him in the first Spider-Man movie, and we know that mirrors had nothing to do with his ability. It's already been established in the comics that the Osborn males are prone to mental breakdown. Norman had it, Harry had it, and before he died, he was worried his son, Norman Jr. would have it. The mirrors are there to show the duality of the two personalities. Both in Norman Osborn, and in Niki Sanders.

Besides, you try going through the day avoiding reflective surfaces, and you'll see how dificult it is for the average person. If they were really conducive to her power, she'd be "Bad Niki" almost 24-7.

 

[gambitfire]

I dunno if i said it already and if i did oh well i don't feel like looking.

But i feel Niki is like the Hulk, not soo much because of the superstrenght but because of the anger.

Like when she's her evil self she probably see's things more black and white, and like the hulk i think this persona can be reached it'll probably be her son to do it.

 

[SouLeSS]

The following has been confirmed;

Spoiler

Isaac doesn't need drugs, he just thinks he does and kicks the habbit around episode 9. He also doesn't paint the future, he paints what might happen if they do anything, or what might happen if they don't. Something after episode 10 touches on this heavily.

Niki and Jessica(Niki's alter ego)are the same person, just different sides of the "id". The writers are going for a whole "You can do unimaginable things if you let your brain free" side of things which some believe to be true in society today.

Peter isn't a Leecher of powers, as other can use their powers around him, he's a mime.

Claire's only true weakness is her brain. If her brain is damaged, she retains the damage. Supposivly her brain will be removed from her body, only to have it be rebuilt in an episode later.

Eden has the power of suggestion to where, for the most part, if she says something, it happens. IE; Her telling Mohinder that he will be back and HRG telling her at the end of the previous episode "Stop him, you can do that" and "You can do better than that".

HRG isn't the badguy at all. In fact, he's more of a "good guy" that does some things that arn't typically seen by the 'good guys' (kidnapping and such). Most of it is to gather information on the various different "heros", probably to build a team or something.

Sylar is proposed to be Peter from the Future Hiro's timeline who couldn't go forward in time again. Something screwy with time travel and such.

The Nuke that is supposed to happen has to do with HRG and Claire dying permanantly. He sets off the nuke to kill whoever was responsible for Claires death.

I feel bad for you guys that don't read up on the spoilers that have to do with the specific characters. Now granted, none of the above are premanant, as originally Isaac was only able to predict the future when in pain (cutting himself, and he was going to cut his hand off) and now he's not.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

What is premanant?

 

[burning-robot]

"been confirmed" but "not premanant" ???

I feel bad for you guys that don't read up on the spoilers that have to do with the specific characters

I feel bad for people who read spoilers and ruin the show for themselves.

 

[lars573]

At the moment I can't see why not, is this that whole 'Wolverine can't get drunk' thing? I wonder how that works, I can't see how regenerative powers makes one immune to an adrenaline rush or narcotics as from what I know there is no immediate damage being done for the affect to be felt, all the damage is long term.

Actually since Claire hasn't died of old age yet, she's probably nearly immortal. You see all cells have a factor in them (I believe it's part of the mitochondria) that determines how long they live. I forget the exact term but every time a cell replicates this gets shorter. And the new cell isn't a good as old one. This is one of the main reasons we age. Claire's cells regenerate at what seems to be 10000x faster than normal. If her cells aged normally she would have aged (over all) 10000x faster. She's not. Therefore her cells don't degrade as they divide. So she's going to be a cute blonde for many decades. Now how much drugs affect you depends on your metabolism and body size. While you could shoot her with adrenaline or PCP for a speed/strength boost it might not last long. Adrenaline is absorbed by the cells (quite redaly in fact) and your adrenal gland has to pump it out at a constant level to keep the rush going. Now as for narcotics I'll use myself as an example. I'm 5 foot 8 weight around 170. I have a very high tollerance for over the counter pain killers. Unless it's 2 extra strengths I won't feel anything. I have a fairly fast metabolism. So those 2 extra strengths are only effective for 2 hours at most. I'm fairly normal white guy, except that I can someimtes block radio signals with my hands. Imagine what super powered Claire's metabolism is like?

but back in the day it took him a good while to heal it was faster than normal humans but still not X3 fighting Phoenix quick, that was just down right ridiculous.

X3 dropped the whole exponential scale of wound severity vs. heal time that Marvel prefers to use. DOTW aside, the worse the injury is the longer it takes Logan to heal.

 

[primemover]

Actually since Claire hasn't died of old age yet, she's probably nearly immortal. You see all cells have a factor in them (I believe it's part of the mitochondria) that determines how long they live. I forget the exact term but every time a cell replicates this gets shorter. And the new cell isn't a good as old one. This is one of the main reasons we age. Claire's cells regenerate at what seems to be 10000x faster than normal. If her cells aged normally she would have aged (over all) 10000x faster. She's not. Therefore her cells don't degrade as they divide. So she's going to be a cute blonde for many decades. Now how much drugs affect you depends on your metabolism and body size.

Well, it really depends on how her type of regeneration works, it could be a healing factor, or maybe her body just returns to a state before any damage occurs, and that state is as it would be for any 16 year old girl. With this explanation she would age normally.

While you could shoot her with adrenaline or PCP for a speed/strength boost it might not last long. Adrenaline is absorbed by the cells (quite redaly in fact) and your adrenal gland has to pump it out at a constant level to keep the rush going. Now as for narcotics I'll use myself as an example. I'm 5 foot 8 weight around 170. I have a very high tollerance for over the counter pain killers. Unless it's 2 extra strengths I won't feel anything. I have a fairly fast metabolism. So those 2 extra strengths are only effective for 2 hours at most. I'm fairly normal white guy, except that I can someimtes block radio signals with my hands. Imagine what super powered Claire's metabolism is like?

Even if it didn't last as long she could just keep shooting up to keep the effect going, and not fear any long term repercussions. She would just need a wealthy benefactor to fund it and she would be in a sense like Bane, but without the Mexican wrestling mask.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

About Claire... well, if the spoilers list is correct,

Spoiler

looks like her brain is removed... and then the brain grows ANOTHER BODY!

 

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^lol, that actually makes sense