Out of curiosity, is there anyone around here who disliked Michael Keaton's Batman?

[LongDong]

Hee hee, the pathetic sarcasm tells me this really ticked you off



No that's not a total knock on Keaton. If you use that ridiculous logic, I could say the same thing about Christian Bale. He looked good in a bat suit?? Yeah well so would Pee Wee Herman.

Would you like me to apply that logic to Bale, or even Kilmer?? I mean you're using it for Keaton



If the only response you can give is your stupid sarcasm and Kanes JOKING remark about the Bat suit making ANYONE look good in it, then just don't respond at all.

You're offering me no challenge for debate here.



I have read it. And there is nothing in it that invalidates what I'm saying. It is your pathetic ramblings mixed with even more pathetic sarcasm that's wasting everyone's time.

So far you three Keaton haters have offered nothing except the same ranting comments about how you hate Keaton, and oh yes your friends didn't like him lol, and mister lennon had a little girl in his theatre who though Keaton was a small Batman LMAO!

Wow you certainly showed us. All we got is huge critical and box office success to back us up. That and the general consensus of everyone loving Keaton as Batman



I'd rather that than the hall of stupidity



LOL!

No challenge? You are right, you really aren't. But hey, I will still talk to you. All you do is spit the same BS Payaso has said. How csan ANY rational and logical person, if they liked Keaton or not, NOT acknowledge the fact that he looks NOTHING like Bruce/Bats and may not have been a good choice based on that? Yeah he may have been adequate for the role but come on, stop acting like the lovesick kid and admit he looks nothing like the part? These arguments saying that Keaton was in such good shape and you don't have to be big to be Batman are just ******ed. Keaton, even if he was trained like Bruce Lee bad, would get ate alive by the thugs he faced. Imagine Keaton against Bane from the 4th movie. Toast! Keaton against Mr Freeze? ICED. Keaton against anybody of an average stocky build (trained as he was supposed to be) might do ok, but against a group? Not enough muscles to do any damage with his punches and most likely not enough stamina to make it through. Stop being a fanboy and be objective about it.

EDIT: I am speaking typonese this morning, ugh. Sorry had to fix this one, I am butchering the keyboard bad, sort of like Keaton as Batman butchered the look of the character. I fixed as many as i could, now I have to go wash the stink of your post off me.

 

[The Joker]

No challenge? You are right, you really aren't.

*sigh*

More stupid sarcasm. Your desperation is showing more than ever.

But hey, I will still talk to you.

Oh lucky me, I get to debate with a guy who uses sarcasm and a joking line from Bob Kane as his defence

All you do is spit the same BS Payaso has said. How csan ANY rational and logical person, if they liked Keaton or not, NOT acknowledge the fact that he looks NOTHING like Bruce/Bats and may not have been a good choice based on that?

Where did I say he looks like Bruce Wayne?? Find me the post.

Jack Nicholson doesn't look like the Joker, Danny DeVito's Penguin didn't look like comic Penguin, Michael Gough and Michael Caine don't look like Alfred etc.

So what?? They gave such great performances that they were totally accepted as their characters. Keaton may not have looked exactly like comic Bruce Wayne/Batman, but he gave a great enough performance, and looked great in the costume, that he became the character he was portraying. That's why he's loved so much.

Simple as that.

Yeah he may have been adequate for the role but come on, stop acting like the lovesick kid and admit he looks nothing like the part?

I never denied that he didn't look the part. Open your eyes and read before you post.

Thinking before you post would help too.

These arguments saying that Keaton was in such good shape and you don't have to be big to be Batman are just ******ed. Keaton, even if he was trained like Bruce Lee bad, would get ate alive by the thugs he faced. Imagine Keaton against Bane from the 4th movie. Toast! Keaton against Mr Freeze? ICED. Keaton against anybody of an average stocky build (trained as he was supposed to be) might do ok, but against a group? Not enough muscles to do any damage with his punches and most likely not enough stamina to make it through.

I sincerely hope you don't look as stupid as you sound. Dick Grayson,Tim Drake and Jason Todd are nowhere near as big as Batman, and yet they can kick the ass of practically every villain Batman can, save maybe Bane.

Big body and muscles does not equal a skilled fighter.Little Bruce Lee proves that.

Stop being a fanboy and be objective about it.

Stop being a moron and read what people are saying, and not what you think they're saying.

EDIT: I am speaking typonese this morning, ugh.

It's not the only nonsense you're speaking

I fixed as many as i could, now I have to go wash the stink of your post off me.

Yeah you do that. The smell of success doesn't suit you. The smell of failure is a much more fitting scent for you

 

[El Payaso]

No challenge? You are right, you really aren't. But hey, I will still talk to you. All you do is spit the same BS Payaso has said.

Oh, he's talking like me. He must be a troll I guess.

Everyone who disagrees with you is.

How csan ANY rational and logical person, if they liked Keaton or not, NOT acknowledge the fact that he looks NOTHING like Bruce/Bats and may not have been a good choice based on that?

Not looking the part is not a base to say it wasn't a good choice.

That's why we don't say it.

Yeah he may have been adequate for the role but come on, stop acting like the lovesick kid and admit he looks nothing like the part?

Omi, now he's adequate.

Ok, here I go: Keaton looks nothing like the part.

He was great as Batman though, so much they - Burton and WB - agreed in brought him back for the sequel and even the third part. It was Keaton himself who refused to do Forever.

These arguments saying that Keaton was in such good shape and you don't have to be big to be Batman are just ******ed.

Your favourite word.

Or it was one of your jokes again and we should get it having a little humour?

Keaton, even if he was trained like Bruce Lee bad, would get ate alive by the thugs he faced. Imagine Keaton against Bane from the 4th movie. Toast! Keaton against Mr Freeze? ICED. Keaton against anybody of an average stocky build (trained as he was supposed to be) might do ok, but against a group?

Christopher Reeve trying to fly? Injuried!
Tobey Maguire trying to swing amongst NYC buildings? Dead!
Maguire trying to climb the walls? Scratched!
John Wesley Shipp trying to run as fast as Flash? Slow!

And btw, have you any proof that Bale or Baldwin could beat a group of thugs in real life?

Not enough muscles to do any damage with his punches and most likely not enough stamina to make it through. Stop being a fanboy and be objective about it.

What a un-******ed comment.
Have you realized it was a movie and Batman doesn't exist in real life?

EDIT: I am speaking typonese this morning, ugh. Sorry had to fix this one, I am butchering the keyboard bad, sort of like Keaton as Batman butchered the look of the character. I fixed as many as i could, now I have to go wash the stink of your post off me.

Do you feel like bugs beneath your skin?

Try some vacations:

You need it buddy.

 

[WhiteRat]

Batman begins is a great movie and it didnt so well at box office. Mainly because the poor marketing campaign.

Batman did well at box office because the great marketing campaing and for being the first batman movie on screen, with many and many fans waiting to see their heroe on screen for first time. Great difference, my friend.

well said and so true.

 

[LongDong]

*sigh*

More stupid sarcasm. Your desperation is showing more than ever.



Oh lucky me, I get to debate with a guy who uses sarcasm and a joking line from Bob Kane as his defence



Where did I say he looks like Bruce Wayne?? Find me the post.

Jack Nicholson doesn't look like the Joker, Danny DeVito's Penguin didn't look like comic Penguin, Michael Gough and Michael Caine don't look like Alfred etc.

So what?? They gave such great performances that they were totally accepted as their characters. Keaton may not have looked exactly like comic Bruce Wayne/Batman, but he gave a great enough performance, and looked great in the costume, that he became the character he was portraying. That's why he's loved so much.

Simple as that.



I never denied that he didn't look the part. Open your eyes and read before you post.

Thinking before you post would help too.



I sincerely hope you don't look as stupid as you sound. Dick Grayson,Tim Drake and Jason Todd are nowhere near as big as Batman, and yet they can kick the ass of practically every villain Batman can, save maybe Bane.

Big body and muscles does not equal a skilled fighter.Little Bruce Lee proves that.



Stop being a moron and read what people are saying, and not what you think they're saying.



It's not the only nonsense you're speaking



Yeah you do that. The smell of success doesn't suit you. The smell of failure is a much more fitting scent for you

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

 

[WhiteRat]

To those who would assert that the Michael Keaton Batman was largely embraced by the passionate Batman fan community, the best I can do is refer you to the exhaustively researched book 'Batman Unmasked' by Will Brooker. The relevant sub-chapter headings would be 'Batman and Fandom: Anticipation and Rejection' (p. 279) and 'Batman: A Tim Burton Film'. Brooker sums up: 'To many fans, they got it wrong. They blew it And, worse, they didn't care.'

thanks for posting that,that proves to people like payaso,he is clueless in his comments that MOST fans loved keaton in the role.

 

[El Payaso]

WhiteRat still can't ignore me, he's totally under my spell.

Troll brothers are running out of ideas.

Don't make your Master to look bad.

 

[mister Lennon]

Im amazed on how some people thinks that all the comics character should have the same treatement in the movies. That is totally false and stupid. Alfred or the joker doesnt look exactly the same than in the comics because their looks arent that important in their personality. But yes with batman. As another poster has said very very well before, bruce wayne has been all his life training his body to looks impossing and super and he has to be tall and athletic. To say the opposite is just moronic and shows an incredible lack of knowlegde of the batman comics.

There are more than three people who hates Keaton as batman, and the proofs are there, as another poster has said before. To say the opposite is foolish and stupid , beasides false.

The argument that Reeve should fly or being from krypton or that crap is just stupid, stupid and stupid. We are here talking about looks, not about powers or origins. That argument is laughable.

 

[WhiteRat]

'Batman Unmasked' by Will Brooker is probably the definitive book examining Batman as a cultural icon, I would say even moreso than 'Batman: the Complete History' by Les Daniels. You really should check it out before making a statement that perhaps 'three people' may have objected to Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman.

As Brooker quotes- "'For comic book fans... the movie serves one vital purpose: it represents them to the outside world.'... It was Batman: The Movie, a supposedly definitive representation, and the world was watching it. Tim Burton's Batman had become, as far as the wider audience was concerned, 'the' Batman."

This was what was so distressing for comic book fans. What ended up on screen was simply not Batman. This has nothing to do with whiny comic book geeks. It has to do with blithely and fundamentally changing a character that had existed for fifty years. It is possible to make a film that can show respect to the source material, please a passionate fan base, and be embraced by the wider public. Witness 'Lord of the Rings'.

and dont forget Harry Potter as well.great post dude.He just doesnt seem to get it though that there are thousands out there who hated the movie though because it was not at all a loyal representation of the comicboook or his character though.Sure they did things in Batman Begins that wasnt in the comics like adding in Rachel Dawes who wasnt a character in the comics but those are just minor things that actually improve the storyline without butchering the source material such as Batman killing people and doing it in such cowardly ways of all things like putting a bomb in a guys pants ect or killing the joker-his arch enemy.Those are major changes that butchered the source material which outraged a lot of fans who after that, wanted to crucify Burton and rightly so.Like you said,what ended up on the screen,was NOT The Batman.

By the way Long Dong,thanks for showing those links that prove that Kane said that he thought Adam West was a better Bruce wayne than Keaton.That pretty much shoots down the arguments people have come on here with that Kane loved him so much in that role.What I think is so laughable for the people that keep saying that since Kane liked Keaton,Keaton must have been good is that link also proves what I have known for many years is that he ALSO said that of all the actors that played Batman in the movies,that he liked Kilmer the best.Well since their logic they have is that since Kane posed by Michael Keaton and took a picture with him and he said he liked keaton as batman,well to THEIR logic they have,they cant get around it then that if they worship Kanes opinion so much,then they have to come to grips with it then that Kilmer was better than Keaton then because Kane liked him the best of the three. its funny watching them cripple their arguments they have with their logic isnt it?

 

[mister Lennon]

Batman killed the joker and killed many people in the first two batman movies.

Batman didnt save Ras' in begins. Great difference.

 

[El Payaso]

Im amazed on how some people thinks that all the comics character should have the same treatement in the movies. That is totally false and stupid. Alfred or the joker doesnt look exactly the same than in the comics because their looks arent that important in their personality.

Pay attention people: Joker doesn't need to look like in the comics.

Yeah, maybe he could have a green face and let's say blue lips, who cares, lennon said it wasn't important.

But yes with batman. As another poster has said very very well before, bruce wayne has been all his life training his body to looks impossing and super and he has to be tall and athletic. To say the opposite is just moronic and shows an incredible lack of knowlegde of the batman comics.

And that's why they had this muscular guy for the shot where we can see Bruce shirtless. Watch the movie pal.

There are more than three people who hates Keaton as batman, and the proofs are there, as another poster has said before. To say the opposite is foolish and stupid , beasides false.

Ok, four.

The argument that Reeve should fly or being from krypton or that crap is just stupid, stupid and stupid.

You sound like that guy in Plan 9 of Outer Space. Yeah Ed Wood was a bad writer.

We are here talking about looks, not about powers or origins. That argument is laughable.

That's my point. It is laughable. That's why I have been laughing for pages now.

Oh, but I think we already covered how McKellen didn't look as Magneto and was great. Same with Keaton.

 

[El Payaso]

By the way Long Dong,thanks for showing those links that prove that Kane said that he thought Adam West was a better Bruce wayne than Keaton.

Yeah, too bad LongDong himself rested all credit to Kane's words.

It is WIDELY known that KANE would have sold his own mnothers ashes for a few bucks. He was a licensing ****e who even went as far as to say that Batman and Robin was THE BEST Batman movie to date. OF COURSE he is going to pose next to ANYONE in the suit on the set

That's the way with those 3... ahem, 4 Keaton-haters.

 

[mister Lennon]

Someone should tell this guy his problems with the reading. I posted so many posts before that he was in my ignore list and he still try to adress me. Poor little payaso.

 

[El Payaso]

And Lennon took his football and went home after he lost this battle...

but even so, he can't forget about me.

Poor lennon.


Btw, we all know he's peeping at my posts, tee hee.

 

[WhiteRat]

Don't be ridiculous, of course it does. If so many people were willing to fork out their cash again and again for these movies, it obviously proves it was well loved.Critics and all loved it.

You're not going to turn around and tell me Batman Begins' financial success proves nothing are you??

To YOUR logic then if you are going to say that people were willing to fork out their cash again and again for these movies,that it was well loved,then your going to have to admit then that Batman Forever was better than your favorite batman movie Batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Forever grossed 180 million where Returns only did 160 million.You cant get around on this one my friend. Plus Leonard Martin a very well known critic,ranked Batman Forever as the best Batman movie of the four and that Kilmer was a better Batman than Keaton while you are mentioning critics.just ldo a google search on Malton and Batman movies and you will see that for yourself.

 

[LongDong]

and dont forget Harry Potter as well.great post dude.He just doesnt seem to get it though that there are thousands out there who hated the movie though because it was not at all a loyal representation of the comicboook or his character though.Sure they did things in Batman Begins that wasnt in the comics like adding in Rachel Dawes who wasnt a character in the comics but those are just minor things that actually improve the storyline without butchering the source material such as Batman killing people and doing it in such cowardly ways of all things like putting a bomb in a guys pants ect or killing the joker-his arch enemy.Those are major changes that butchered the source material which outraged a lot of fans who after that, wanted to crucify Burton and rightly so.Like you said,what ended up on the screen,was NOT The Batman.

By the way Long Dong,thanks for showing those links that prove that Kane said that he thought Adam West was a better Bruce wayne than Keaton.That pretty much shoots down the arguments people have come on here with that Kane loved him so much in that role.What I think is so laughable for the people that keep saying that since Kane liked Keaton,Keaton must have been good is that link also proves what I have known for many years is that he ALSO said that of all the actors that played Batman in the movies,that he liked Kilmer the best.Well since their logic they have is that since Kane posed by Michael Keaton and took a picture with him and he said he liked keaton as batman,well to THEIR logic they have,they cant get around it then that if they worship Kanes opinion so much,then they have to come to grips with it then that Kilmer was better than Keaton then because Kane liked him the best of the three. its funny watching them cripple their arguments they have with their logic isnt it?

Yeah man, it is laughable for sure. And you can see pattrns in how they post, doc-ock or whatever his name was is starting off exactly like payaso did, if it was not for him actually speaking good english I would think they were the same person.

 

[LongDong]

To YOUR logic then if you are going to say that people were willing to fork out their cash again and again for these movies,that it was well loved,then your going to have to admit then that Batman Forever was better than your favorite batman movie Batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Forever grossed 180 million where Returns only did 160 million.You cant get around on this one my friend.

Hard to rationalize with an imbecile my friend, best just to give up.

 

[mister Lennon]

Yeah, i thought the same, longdog. Same trollish style, same insults, same crap arguments. Too many similar things to be a casuality. If to read something posted by el payaso is enough bad, to read it twice with another nick is the hell itself.

 

[El Payaso]

I wish all the girls who have told me they're going to ignore me were like you, Keaton-haters.

 

[mister Lennon]

Those guys must be joking when they think that the box office shows any quality in a movie. It must be a joke, because anybody couldnt think that nonsense seriously.

 

[El Payaso]

You're doing a great job pretending you're not reading my posts.

As your Master I feel great.

 

[The Joker]

You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

Sharper than you that's for sure

To YOUR logic then if you are going to say that people were willing to fork out their cash again and again for these movies,that it was well loved,then your going to have to admit then that Batman Forever was better than your favorite batman movie Batman Returns then because it made more money at the box office than Returns did.Forever grossed 180 million where Returns only did 160 million.You cant get around on this one my friend. Plus Leonard Martin a very well known critic,ranked Batman Forever as the best Batman movie of the four and that Kilmer was a better Batman than Keaton while you are mentioning critics.just ldo a google search on Malton and Batman movies and you will see that for yourself.

Batman Forever was a decent bat flick,not as good as Burton's ones, but decent despite Two Face's bastardization and the brighter Gotham City.

Kilmer was a good Batman and a great Bruce Wayne.Chase Meridian was a great love interest.

That's why Batman and Robin got the green light.Schumacher took a few chances and saw he got away with it.Then he went crazy with Batman and Robin, and went too far with the campiness, and made the movie a disaster.

Hard to rationalize with an imbecile my friend, best just to give up.

We better stop responding to you then

 

[WhiteRat]

Yeah man, it is laughable for sure. And you can see pattrns in how they post, doc-ock or whatever his name was is starting off exactly like payaso did, if it was not for him actually speaking good english I would think they were the same person.

Yeah I know what you mean.Naw they might have the same kind of weird logic but trust me,they are not the same person.I know you werent saying they were,but they're definetely not the same poster.and yeah your right,its not worth it,trying to reason with them on this is like trying to knock down a building with a broom,gets you nowhere.Yeah might as well quit while were ahead,we've already proven them wrong countless of times. Let them live in denial.that post that atomic guy posted as well proves they are wrong as well that most fans liked Keaton.The proof is in the pudding they are wrong.No need to go into anymore details about it.we have taken them to school enough on it already.heh heh.

 

[mister Lennon]

Yeah, i did a joke before. Really, i dont think that they are the same person, althought they both seem to live in the same fantasy world.

 

[WhiteRat]

Sharper than you that's for sure



Batman Forever was a decent bat flick,not as good as Burton's ones, but decent despite Two Face's bastardization and the brighter Gotham City.

Kilmer was a good Batman and a great Bruce Wayne.Chase Meridian was a great love interest.

That's why Batman and Robin got the green light.Schumacher took a few chances and saw he got away with it.Then he went crazy with Batman and Robin, and went too far with the campiness, and made the movie a disaster.



We better stop responding to you then

Is that your best you can give that Batman Returns was better than Batman Forever when I use your OWN logic that you had about box office success makes it a good movie? dude you are seriously crippling your arguments big time.your second and third paragraph has a lot of truth to it but the first one hardly disproves my point.