Out of curiosity, is there anyone around here who disliked Michael Keaton's Batman?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That was my point.

No one cared about Adam West being a bodybuilder. And afyter seeing B89, no one cared about Keaton either. except those respectable 3 people.

Which makes what Keaton all the more incredible. He didn't look the part.....and still did such a good job and won over so many.

easy, make it a big charity fund raiser showing clasic movies. The rich ALWAYS dress up for those society events.


Make it a GRAND OPENING for a new high end movie theater in town, part of Gothams rebuilding the slums, they dress up for opening ceremonies.\

The prpble you pose has very simple solutions. Goyer is just a jackass who cannot write to save his life. I also did not like how he changed the Batman Rha's relationship and had Batman let him die in the end. Batman would NOT do that.

All in all I really enjoyed the film.

But then your making the whole event into something it wasn't, which was some grand event. The origin is basically him and his family doing a family thing. And, I'm sorry....but as cool as the classical movies idea sounds, you'd have millions of fanboys on your case over the cheese of it.

I prefer the change in Bruce and Ra's relationship.....it furthered it, in my mind. Ra's was always this surrogate-father wannabe.

And, I'm probably one of the few who liked what Batman did. I mean, really...why save the dude....he's a terroists. In the world we live in today, everyone knows how we deal with them.

 

[batmaluco]

Ummmm, I did say he thoguht he did a good job as Batman onc ehe put the suit on. You not paying attention?

No, you are not paying attention.

If you were paying attention instead of making jokes and relying your argumentation in Kane's words, you would see that he stated that "He's a very good actor. Somehow, when he gets into that uniform, he becomes the Batman".

Somehow, not only because of the uniform itself, but because he's a very good actor.

Movies are a fantasy world. Once something works in that fantasy world, the job is well done. Keaton worked very well in that Burton's fantasy world, and not because of his looks, but because of his intensity as an artist, he was able to become Batman, in that particular fantasy world.

It's not required for him to fight with real thugs, it's not needed since he can act.

To live in a fantasy world would be to expect him to be Batman in our real world. It would be pretty impossible, even with the longest dong ever.

Get it over.

 

[WhiteRat]

No, you are not paying attention.

If you were paying attention instead of making jokes and relying your argumentation in Kane's words, you would see that he stated that "He's a very good actor. Somehow, when he gets into that uniform, he becomes the Batman".

Somehow, not only because of the uniform itself, but because he's a very good actor.

Movies are a fantasy world. Once something works in that fantasy world, the job is well done. Keaton worked very well in that Burton's fantasy world, and not because of his looks, but because of his intensity as an artist, he was able to become Batman, in that particular fantasy world.

It's not required for him to fight with real thugs, it's not needed since he can act.

To live in a fantasy world would be to expect him to be Batman in our real world. It would be pretty impossible, even with the longest dong ever.

Get it over.

He also has stated though that he liked Kilmer the best of the three.Thats the thing we tried to explain to doc ock but he ignored though is if he is going to worship what kane says so much,then he gots to acknowledge that Kilmer was the better Batman then.

 

[WhiteRat]

It's called reality.

Come into it some time when you're finished crying over two of the most successful and loved superhero movies ever.



Hold on I never said Batman Forever was the better film.Batman Returns was far better.

Another reason Forever made more than Returns is because it was way more kiddy oriented.Returns was aimed more towards maturer people than kids.Forever was way more kiddy friendly.

But still not the better movie.

this post proved Dong that Doc was lying when he said that I said his words were that Batman Forever was the better film over Batman Returns when its clear I NEVER said that about him,yet he lies and says he never said that when this post proves he DID.even you saw my post and knew what I met,somehow Doc seems to not be able to comprehend things very well though which is why I will ignore him in future batman and spiderman debates.

 

[LongDong]

No, you are not paying attention.

If you were paying attention instead of making jokes and relying your argumentation in Kane's words, you would see that he stated that "He's a very good actor. Somehow, when he gets into that uniform, he becomes the Batman".

Somehow, not only because of the uniform itself, but because he's a very good actor.

Movies are a fantasy world. Once something works in that fantasy world, the job is well done. Keaton worked very well in that Burton's fantasy world, and not because of his looks, but because of his intensity as an artist, he was able to become Batman, in that particular fantasy world.

It's not required for him to fight with real thugs, it's not needed since he can act.

To live in a fantasy world would be to expect him to be Batman in our real world. It would be pretty impossible, even with the longest dong ever.

Get it over.

My suggestions is don't stick your nose into the middle of a conversation. You obviosuly missed many points made.

Get over yourself

 

[The Joker]

this post proved Dong that Doc was lying when he said that I said his words were that Batman Forever was the better film over Batman Returns when its clear I NEVER said that about him,yet he lies and says he never said that when this post proves he DID.

Jesus Christ, where did I accuse you of saying that in that post?? I was merely clarifying which I believe to be the better movie. I never said that you said I liked Forever more. Capeesh??

God you're like a dog with a bone.

LET IT GO!!!!

even you saw my post and knew what I met,somehow Doc seems to not be able to comprehend things very well though which is why I will ignore him in future batman and spiderman debates.

Yeah I'm the one who can't comprehend things well I'm not the one who asks people on other message boards to come over here and start Man-Spider threads and other stupid BS like that because nobody here agrees with your opinions

If there was any newbie in here who started Burton bashing threads in the past, odds are that Mr Parker here asked them to do it.

God, remind me again why you were banned from here Parker?? You clearly know how to conduct yourself in a proper manner

My suggestions is don't stick your nose into the middle of a conversation. You obviosuly missed many points made.

Get over yourself

My suggestion is to open your eyes and realize you're on a PUBLIC message board. That means ANYONE can waltz in here and give their opinion when ever they like, and as many times as they like.

This isn't a private conversation. Save those for PM's.

Get over yourself.

 

[LongDong]

Get over yourself.

That is funny. Earlier we all were commenting on how unorignal you were, and here we go again.

 

[The Joker]

That is funny. Earlier we all were commenting on how unorignal you were, and here we go again.

Wow more petty sarcasm and insults. Now that's original

Here's a challenge for you, even greater than providing a decent arguement: try and respond to people in here without insulting them or being so stupidly sarcastic.

Go on, all hostility aside, white flag up, let me see you back up your beliefs with some proof. I've tried asking WhiteRat, but he just repeats the same thing over and over, silly theories on kids pestering their parents to see Batman etc.

Where is this proof that there's a large population of Bat fans who hate Burton's movies with a passion. I'm not doubting that there are some haters out there. You three are proof of it. But let me see some proof of THOUSANDS of fans, a large portion of people who hate the movies. I mean it should be like X-Men 3 if that is the case, you can clearly see the fans divided with that movie because of the radical changes they did from the comics.

If there is similar hate from thousands of fans like you guys claim, it would be evident in reviews of the movie. I can show links from several sites showing majority positive reviews and strong fan love for Keaton. You got anything that shows otherwise??

As Jerry Maguire would say: Show me the money

 

[batmaluco]

My suggestions is don't stick your nose into the middle of a conversation. You obviosuly missed many points made.
Get over yourself

As stated by another poster, this is a public message board, get over this fact as well.
And you obviously missed this basic point, from the starter of this thread:

I'm not asking for comparisons to his fellow Batmen, I'm just asking straight up is there anyone around here who did not like Keaton as Batman? Anyone? Anyone at all? No fear or reprisal here, just a simple yes or no for a simple question.

Now, who is the Troll here?

 

[Qoèlet]

To get back to the topic.... I didn't really "dislike" Keaton in the role, but I think the films as a whole are overrated, and don't particularly enjoy them.

 

[LongDong]

Wow more petty sarcasm and insults. Now that's original

Here's a challenge for you, even greater than providing a decent arguement: try and respond to people in here without insulting them or being so stupidly sarcastic.

Go on, all hostility aside, white flag up, let me see you back up your beliefs with some proof. I've tried asking WhiteRat, but he just repeats the same thing over and over, silly theories on kids pestering their parents to see Batman etc.

Where is this proof that there's a large population of Bat fans who hate Burton's movies with a passion. I'm not doubting that there are some haters out there. You three are proof of it. But let me see some proof of THOUSANDS of fans, a large portion of people who hate the movies. I mean it should be like X-Men 3 if that is the case, you can clearly see the fans divided with that movie because of the radical changes they did from the comics.

If there is similar hate from thousands of fans like you guys claim, it would be evident in reviews of the movie. I can show links from several sites showing majority positive reviews and strong fan love for Keaton. You got anything that shows otherwise??

As Jerry Maguire would say: Show me the money

Stop being so pig headed. That is MY job!! You want I should go back and talk to everyone I have ever come in contact with since 1989 and discussed Batman, have them agree to let me post their names and phone numbers so you can verify who they are and how they feel about Keaton as Batman? Not going to happen. I would say that in my years a good 35% of people were not happy with Keaton after seeing the flick. Another percentage of maybe 25 thought he was ok and could accept and the rest liked him. I don't have concrete numbers, just going off memory of my many conversations those years ago.

Everyone travels in different circles, everyone talks to people about thing they liked and disliked. I know TONS of poeiple who HATED Hellboy, Sin City, X-2 and various othe rmovies. Yet here poeple like you will say NO WAY THOSE MOVIES ROCKED MY SOX OFF which is GREAT but you do not stand for everyone else, just like we don't. To ask me to provide you with the thousands of people or whatever you are asking is insane.

I was in high school (senior) when the movie came out. I am guessing you were a little kid at the time? I could be wrong, but that is my guess. Age alone would dictate I am more of an authority than you on the subject as I was old enough to really have serious discussions abvout things and weigh others responses where a little kid would say "mommy I loved Batman" and everyone you speak wtih would say "yes Billy Bob it was the best" so as not to burst your bubble.

I might be wrong about your age and I am not trying to be insulting by it, but that is my guess and I am probably right. Now if you come back and are not truthful about this then it really speaks volumes of your character.

 

[LongDong]

As stated by another poster, this is a public message board, get over this fact as well.
And you obviously missed this basic point, from the starter of this thread:


Now, who is the Troll here?

What a moronic comment to make. You obviously missed the WHOLE POINT stooge. NOBODY was doing a stupid comparison.

Again, keep your brown nose out of it if you cannot read everything said.

 

[LongDong]

Wow more petty sarcasm and insults. Now that's original

Here's a challenge for you, even greater than providing a decent arguement: try and respond to people in here without insulting them or being so stupidly sarcastic.

Oh yeah, you are one to talk. But like you said, you were only fighting fire with fire which of course makes you not guilty of the same things right?

 

[The Joker]

Ok, so you really have offered no actual proof of this thousands of fan hate you guys claim there is. Just your word that you've met many people who hate it. Now I'm not calling you a liar, but I'll say it again, if there really was as large a percentage of haters as you and WhiteRat claim, then it would be clearly evident, like with X-Men 3, or as you mentioned Hellboy, or Blade 3 or any of the dodgy super hero flicks that many fans dislike. The bad reviews are rampant.

Clearly that is not the case with Burton's Batman movies, which have recieved strong financial, critical and fan success and love. Which suggests that this group of haters is clearly a very small group. A minority.

Now I can see we've come full circle here with this debate. I don't think there's anything new we can add to this, unless you guys can come up with anything new.In any event I'll be around, and look forward to continue the discussion should that be the case.

Peace out

 

[mister Lennon]

Ock, stop the nonsense argument. ANY MOVIE IS GOOD BECAUSE THE MONEY. So , by your logic, CITIZEN KANE IS CRAP AND CASABLANCA IS CRAP, AND IN THE OTHER HAND, THE PHANTOM MENACE IS A MASTERPIECE, AS IS VAN HELSING OR THE MUMMUY MOVIES OR THE KING SCORPION OR THE JENNIFER ANISTON ROMANCE COMEDIES. And not, DONT SHOW ME THE MONEY, SHOW ME THE QUALITY.

Seriously, what is so great about burton movies? I only see some good things , the rest was crap. A short guy in a bat costume and playing bruce wayne like a Bill Murray with a headheche or something like that. The story and the lines were crap, penguin sucked , the action scenes sucked, Gordon sucked, Keaton pathetic fight skills sucked, Batman is a killer, The joker death, The freak penguin death, batman is a supporting character, not origin, the joker being the killer of Waynes' parents, etc.

Man, show me what are so great about those crap films. The only thing that i see is the same bad films that schumacher did but with another mistakes in another ways. Tell me, what is so great about keaton peformance and about those movies? And dont tell me the old crap that Bob Kane liked Keaton because he is in a photo with him or the movies did a lot of money.

 

[El Payaso]

woo hoo.

I think what the problem is:

Keaton-haters are 3, but they talk so much they seem to be more.

 

[The Joker]

Ock, stop the nonsense argument. ANY MOVIE IS GOOD BECAUSE THE MONEY. So , by your logic, CITIZEN KANE IS CRAP AND CASABLANCA IS CRAP, AND IN THE OTHER HAND, THE PHANTOM MENACE IS A MASTERPIECE, AS IS VAN HELSING OR THE MUMMUY MOVIES OR THE KING SCORPION OR THE JENNIFER ANISTON ROMANCE COMEDIES. And not, DONT SHOW ME THE MONEY

This is the last time I'm going to say this, if any of you three claim I'm basing my arguements solely on box office takings again, then you really are stupid.

I am basing this on Box office success AND critical success AND worldwide fan love of the Burton movies.

Capeesh??

SHOW ME THE QUALITY.

Go watch the Burton Batman movies

Seriously, what is so great about burton movies? I only see some good things , the rest was crap. A short guy in a bat costume and playing bruce wayne like a Bill Murray with a headheche or something like that. The story and the lines were crap, penguin sucked , the action scenes sucked, Gordon sucked, Keaton pathetic fight skills sucked, Batman is a killer, The joker death, The freak penguin death, batman is a supporting character, not origin, the joker being the killer of Waynes' parents, etc.

Your opinion. A minority one too.

Man, show me what are so great about those crap films. The only thing that i see is the same bad films that schumacher did but with another mistakes in another ways. Tell me, what is so great about keaton peformance and about those movies? And dont tell me the old crap that Bob Kane liked Keaton because he is in a photo with him or the movies did a lot of money.

Keaton looked awesome in the costume, he was a dark beast of a character who had Gotham's underworld scared s**tless of him so much that he was like a scary urban legend, his villains were psychologically scary and awesomely sinister, Gotham City was really dark and gothic, his batmobile rocked, he had two awesome and hot love interests, and every actor gave a great performance.

Simple as that.

Now if your only response to this is your blah blah blah I hate the Burton movies again, then save it. Not interested. As I said to LongDong, show me some proof of the thousands of fan hate for these movies, and I mean actual proof, not stories about your friends and people you've met etc. I mean if it's true then it shouldn't be hard to prove. I can show tons of bad reviews of hated super hero movies like Blade 3,X-Men 3,Fantastic Four etc. If the Burton Batman movies are hated so much as you three keep claiming, then show me the proof, then we'll talk some more.

Peace out

 

[mister Lennon]

This is the last time I'm going to say this, if any of you three claim I'm basing my arguements solely on box office takings again, then you really are stupid.

I am basing this on Box office success AND critical success AND worldwide fan love of the Burton movies.

Capeesh??


Again, only your opinion. There are the same worldwidehate in the critics and fans or even more than that love that you repeat all the time.



Go watch the Burton Batman movies

Please, im not a masochist. I preffer to see anything before that crap movies.

Your opinion. A minority one too.

And your opinion, also a minority. Proof that my opinion is a minority and your is the majority.



Keaton looked awesome in the costume, he was a dark beast of a character who had Gotham's underworld scared s**tless of him so much that he was like a scary urban legend, his villains were psychologically scary and awesomely sinister, Gotham City was really dark and gothic, his batmobile rocked, he had two awesome and hot love interests, and every actor gave a great performance.

Simple as that.

Now if your only response to this is your blah blah blah I hate the Burton movies again, then save it. Not interested. As I said to LongDong, show me some proof of the thousands of fan hate for these movies, and I mean actual proof, not stories about your friends and people you've met etc. I mean if it's true then it shouldn't be hard to prove. I can show tons of bad reviews of hated super hero movies like Blade 3,X-Men 3,Fantastic Four etc. If the Burton Batman movies are hated so much then show me the proof, then we'll talk some more.

Peace out

Keaton was ridiculous as batman and more ridiculous as bruce wayne, plus a supporting character. Yes, batmobile rocks, music rocks, gotham city rocks, some actors rocks, hot females and all. But Keaton sucked, many actors sucked ( de vito, hingle, robert whul, keaton himself). Keaton did a pathetic performance as bruce wayne he doesnt look the part at all.

Well, Lets see. Go to those two sites: Imdb and rotten tomatoes. In those two sites there are a lot, and i said A LOT of bad reviews and bad critics against the burton movies. Go and read it and go and repeat again that the burton and keaton haters are in minority or crap like that.

 

[WhiteRat]

Stop being so pig headed. That is MY job!! You want I should go back and talk to everyone I have ever come in contact with since 1989 and discussed Batman, have them agree to let me post their names and phone numbers so you can verify who they are and how they feel about Keaton as Batman? Not going to happen. I would say that in my years a good 35% of people were not happy with Keaton after seeing the flick. Another percentage of maybe 25 thought he was ok and could accept and the rest liked him. I don't have concrete numbers, just going off memory of my many conversations those years ago.

Everyone travels in different circles, everyone talks to people about thing they liked and disliked. I know TONS of poeiple who HATED Hellboy, Sin City, X-2 and various othe rmovies. Yet here poeple like you will say NO WAY THOSE MOVIES ROCKED MY SOX OFF which is GREAT but you do not stand for everyone else, just like we don't. To ask me to provide you with the thousands of people or whatever you are asking is insane.

I was in high school (senior) when the movie came out. I am guessing you were a little kid at the time? I could be wrong, but that is my guess. Age alone would dictate I am more of an authority than you on the subject as I was old enough to really have serious discussions abvout things and weigh others responses where a little kid would say "mommy I loved Batman" and everyone you speak wtih would say "yes Billy Bob it was the best" so as not to burst your bubble.

I might be wrong about your age and I am not trying to be insulting by it, but that is my guess and I am probably right. Now if you come back and are not truthful about this then it really speaks volumes of your character.

Yeah that seems to be what he wants you to do.sheesh.That logic doesnt seem to register with him though that because people like me and you have spoken to dozens of dozens of people over the years about the batman movies and their opinion on Keaton,that it obviusly is something that went on around the country though.why are you still trying to reason with him? I thought you agreed that its best to ignore all his insane ramblings, that he just posts the same B.S that payaso posts.

 

[WhiteRat]

Keaton was ridiculous as batman and more ridiculous as bruce wayne, plus a supporting character. Yes, batmobile rocks, music rocks, gotham city rocks, some actors rocks, hot females and all. But Keaton sucked, many actors sucked ( de vito, hingle, robert whul, keaton himself). Keaton did a pathetic performance as bruce wayne he doesnt look the part at all.

Well, Lets see. Go to those two sites: Imdb and rotten tomatoes. In those two sites there are a lot, and i said A LOT of bad reviews and bad critics against the burton movies. Go and read it and go and repeat again that the burton and keaton haters are in minority or crap like that.

yeah thats a good Point.I have been to those sites before and those sites have dozens and dozens of people blasting away at keaton and the batman movies.That pretty much shoots down the keaton lovers lame arguments that were in the minority here.

 

[WhiteRat]

Ock, stop the nonsense argument. ANY MOVIE IS GOOD BECAUSE THE MONEY. So , by your logic, CITIZEN KANE IS CRAP AND CASABLANCA IS CRAP, AND IN THE OTHER HAND, THE PHANTOM MENACE IS A MASTERPIECE, AS IS VAN HELSING OR THE MUMMUY MOVIES OR THE KING SCORPION OR THE JENNIFER ANISTON ROMANCE COMEDIES. And not, DONT SHOW ME THE MONEY, SHOW ME THE QUALITY.

Seriously, what is so great about burton movies? I only see some good things , the rest was crap. A short guy in a bat costume and playing bruce wayne like a Bill Murray with a headheche or something like that. The story and the lines were crap, penguin sucked , the action scenes sucked, Gordon sucked, Keaton pathetic fight skills sucked, Batman is a killer, The joker death, The freak penguin death, batman is a supporting character, not origin, the joker being the killer of Waynes' parents, etc.

Man, show me what are so great about those crap films. The only thing that i see is the same bad films that schumacher did but with another mistakes in another ways. Tell me, what is so great about keaton peformance and about those movies? And dont tell me the old crap that Bob Kane liked Keaton because he is in a photo with him or the movies did a lot of money.

yep those are all good points on how those films indeed are crappy films.I fail to see how anybody can look at this post and your points and say that The Burton Batman movies are good movies.Yeah to the logic that the burton batman fans have,classic movies like casablanca,and citizen Kane are crap,and movies like the phantom menace which got 3 stars by most critics were great films.Its also stupid to go by what critics say for example Roger Ebert said that Batman 89 was great but he dished the classic Back To the future movie.I guarantee you the critics who praise it ALSO make moronic reviews like Ebert did by saying things similiar to his idiotic review that Back to the future sucked. I said it before and I'll say it again,the proof is in the pudding that many thousands hated keaton by the obvious fact that people we have spoken to in the years since then still to this day bash him big time as well as the people on those sites that you mentioned.

as i said before,the proof is also evident in the fact that he was a bad Keaton by the many people besides the 3 of us that came on in the beginning like Rob ect who voiced their disgust as Keaton.Yet you dont see people going on the Michellee Phieffer thread voicing their disgust over her as Catwoman because its obvious that she didnt suck as Catwoman like keaton did as Batman.

 

[El Payaso]

I know I'm repewating myself but I see everubody else doing it.

Keaton was so good they insisted in brionging him back for B Returns and then B Forever. Keaton left because he decided so, no one - including critics, executives or fans, but not including the 3 haters - were against him to return once and again.

 

[LongDong]

Yeah that seems to be what he wants you to do.sheesh.That logic doesnt seem to register with him though that because people like me and you have spoken to dozens of dozens of people over the years about the batman movies and their opinion on Keaton,that it obviusly is something that went on around the country though.why are you still trying to reason with him? I thought you agreed that its best to ignore all his insane ramblings, that he just posts the same B.S that payaso posts.

Yeah good point. he also is unable to keep things straight as he keeps saying that each of is is making statements we never made. I think he is just trying to stir up the pot. I never said Keaton had thousands of haters but honestly it is pure logic that he would. of the hundreds of thousands who have seen it you bet there are at LEAST thousands who did not like him in the cape and cowl. Rationality prevails, another person to just ignore eh? heh heh

 

[batmaluco]

What a moronic comment to make. You obviously missed the WHOLE POINT stooge. NOBODY was doing a stupid comparison.

Again, keep your brown nose out of it if you cannot read everything said.

Endless comparisons were made, Kilmer versus Keaton, other people that would be suggested for the role, and many other stupid things that has nothing to do with the whole thread point, as stated by the starter:

"Originally Posted by Dr. Fate
I'm not asking for comparisons to his fellow Batmen, I'm just asking straight up is there anyone around here who did not like Keaton as Batman? Anyone? Anyone at all? No fear or reprisal here, just a simple yes or no for a simple question."

Peace, Troll.
I'm not going to feed the Troll.

 

[LongDong]

Endless comparisons were made, Kilmer versus Keaton, other people that would be suggested for the role, and many other stupid things that has nothing to do with the whole thread point, as stated by the starter:

"Originally Posted by Dr. Fate
I'm not asking for comparisons to his fellow Batmen, I'm just asking straight up is there anyone around here who did not like Keaton as Batman? Anyone? Anyone at all? No fear or reprisal here, just a simple yes or no for a simple question."

Peace, Troll.
I'm not going to feed the Troll.

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