Out of curiosity, is there anyone around here who disliked Michael Keaton's Batman?

[WhiteRat]

Yeah good point. he also is unable to keep things straight as he keeps saying that each of is is making statements we never made. I think he is just trying to stir up the pot. I never said Keaton had thousands of haters but honestly it is pure logic that he would. of the hundreds of thousands who have seen it you bet there are at LEAST thousands who did not like him in the cape and cowl. Rationality prevails, another person to just ignore eh? heh heh

yep to everything you said.

 

[WhiteRat]

Did you miss photo day?

 

[Sincnarf]

I'm not asking for comparisons to his fellow Batmen, I'm just asking straight up is there anyone around here who did not like Keaton as Batman? Anyone? Anyone at all? No fear or reprisal here, just a simple yes or no for a simple question.

It was an OK portrayal of Batman but I did not like his performance as Bruce Wayne. Was he too short for Bruce's height?

 

[The Joker]

Keaton was ridiculous as batman and more ridiculous as bruce wayne, plus a supporting character. Yes, batmobile rocks, music rocks, gotham city rocks, some actors rocks, hot females and all. But Keaton sucked, many actors sucked ( de vito, hingle, robert whul, keaton himself). Keaton did a pathetic performance as bruce wayne he doesnt look the part at all.

*Sigh* I told you not to bother repeating your hating rants. Not interested.

Your opinion, and like I said, a minority one too.

Well, Lets see. Go to those two sites: Imdb and rotten tomatoes. In those two sites there are a lot, and i said A LOT of bad reviews and bad critics against the burton movies. Go and read it and go and repeat again that the burton and keaton haters are in minority or crap like that.

Okey dokey here we go:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_returns/ : 27 good reviews and 6 bad for Batman Returns. Well what do you know, a minority of haters.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1001781-batman/ : 29 good reviews and 9 bad for Batman 1989. I'll be darned, more minority haters.

Now let's look at the percentage of good reviews each movie got:

Batman 1989: 76%
Batman Returns: 82%
Batman Begins: 83%

Well I'll be darned again. There's a 7% difference between Batman 89 and Begins, and a 1% difference between Returns and Begins

There's the Begins link just in case you doubt me: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_begins/

I'll say it again for the zillionth time,the haters are the minority.

Now I'm not a member of IMDB, so I can't access their boards.So why don't you provide us with the statistics from there. I sincerely hope they support your arguements more than Rotten Tomatoes did

 

[LongDong]

*Sigh* I told him not you bother repeating your hating rants.

Your opinion, and like I said, a minority one too..

We used to think you WEREN'T Payaso, but reading your butchering of the english language we now know the truth!!!!

I'll say it again for the zillionth time,the haters are the minority.

Ummmm, when did anyone every say that they WEREN'T the minority?

nyuck nyuck nyuck

 

[The Joker]

We used to think you WEREN'T Payaso, but reading your butchering of the english language we now know the truth!!!!

HA! Says the guy who made a load of "Typononsense" yesterday

And just check out Mr Parker's.........errrrrr WhiteRat's grammar

Ummmm, when did anyone every say that they WEREN'T the minority?

nyuck nyuck nyuck

WhiteRat and mister lennon did, when they claimed there's thousands out there who hate the Burton movies.

I ask again, where are they?? If there's thousands of them then it should be evident, like it is with the thousands of haters for movies like X-Men 3 and the Fantastic Four.

At least one of you three realises you're in the minority. A shame your partners in hate aren't as bright on that front

nyuck nyuck nyuck

 

[LongDong]

Yeah I speak typonese fluently, still not used to this damn laptop I bought plus the soft cast I am in gets in the way biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig time. Come to think of it, my love life has gone down the toilet as well, ARGH damn wrist!!!



WHat year were you born ock? Just trying to picture you when you sw the movie. Sitting there with popcorn i one tentacle, soda in another, maybe the third had some M&M's and the fourth a pacifier. heh, just a joke.

Later

 

[LongDong]

I ask again, where are they?? If there's thousands of them then it should be evident, like it is with the thousands of haters for movies like X-Men 3 and the Fantastic Four.

At least one of you three realises you're in the minority. A shame your partners in hate aren't as bright on that front

nyuck nyuck nyuck

One thing to consider is this movie is old school, not many people embrace the hatred and hold on to it for long, especially when movies like Batman & Robin come out after.

is it that hard to fathom that 3% if the people who saw that movie have not liked a major portion or all of it? How many do you think have seen this film, millions easy eh? Odds are pretty good that more thna #% disliked it or Keaton, which would give you more than the thousands you are asking for. Even using the rotten tom logic, it had a rating of what was it, 78%? So average that out say that 300,000 people saw the film. That leaves 22% (66,000 poeple) who did not like it.

 

[The Joker]

WHat year were you born ock? Just trying to picture you when you sw the movie. Sitting there with popcorn i one tentacle, soda in another, maybe the third had some M&M's and the fourth a pacifier. heh, just a joke.

LOL!

My age is in my Hype profile.I'm 25, going on 26 next month. I actually saw Batman Returns before I saw Batman 89.I was 12 when I saw it, and I loved it so much that I rented Batman 89. It was the Burton movies that got me into Batman.

Batman Begins is more faithful to the comics, and has a more serious feel to it. But I still love the Burton movies. They're still great movies with some fanatastic performances IMO.

One thing to consider is this movie is old school, not many people embrace the hatred and hold on to it for long, especially when movies like Batman & Robin come out after.

That's not true. If anything you'd think they would inspire more hate with the release of Begins, and people see a Batman movie very faithful to the comics.

But no, despite that the love is still there.

is it that hard to fathom that 3% if the people who saw that movie have not liked a major portion or all of it? How many do you think have seen this film, millions easy eh? Odds are pretty good that more thna #% disliked it or Keaton, which would give you more than the thousands you are asking for. Even using the rotten tom logic, it had a rating of what was it, 78%? So average that out say that 300,000 people saw the film. That leaves 22% (66,000 poeple) who did not like it.

As I said before, I am not doubting that there are haters. I am saying they are a very small minority. So small that the have not affected the movie's success in ANY way. That includes reviews as well as box office take.

When there's a large percentage of haters, believe me the movie feels their wrath in some way. Whether it be in the reviews or at the box office or both.

 

[batmaluco]

woo hoo.

I think what the problem is:

Keaton-haters are 3, but they talk so much they seem to be more.

Yes.

Oops, he did it again...

 

[WhiteRat]

once again payaso is clueless as always.there have been more than 3 that have come on this thread that have said they hated the burton films and keaton,such as atomic energy,robin,ect,but since the three of us are the only ones that keep coming back and posting and making our points,payaso like doc,uses absurd logic that there are only 3 posters on here that hate it.

 

[WhiteRat]

No, I did not like Micheal Keaton's Batman.

Physically, he was the wrong choice. I realize that Burton wanted him to be the "everyman". But, this just shows that Burton didn't understand the character of Batman. Batman IS NOT the "everyman". He is the ULTIMATE athlete, the ULTIMATE fighter, he is the pinnacle, he is quintesential man. The DRAW to Batman, is that with ENOUGH TRAINING, you can become this perfect fighting/thinking machine. Not that just any short, middle aged, balding man can put on a suit and save the city.

Acting wise, he was okay. He wasn't anything particulary great. He had some stupid scenes, mostly as Wayne, and his actual fighting wasn't that good. He delivered some lines very well ("I'm Batman" "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light", "I made you? You made me first".) But he wasn't anything terrific. He was a little less than solid Batman.

His acting brought him slightly above par, it was just his physical look that made him overall unconvincing in the role of the worlds greatest martialartist/detective.

-R

wow this post obviously shows that Robin hates Keaton as batman yet according to payaso's logic,he NEVER posted here and there are only 3 posters here that hate Keaton on this thread.wow great points payaso makes.payaso obviously has a counting problem so he obvioulsy is clueless in what he says.He doesnt know what he is talking about as always obviously.thats why we have all ignored his insane ramblings.

 

[WhiteRat]

I think it is funny that when the keaton lovers like doc ock and payaso are losing an argument that they go to the net to try and back up their laughable arguments.LOL.That is just plain ignorant to say that because THE NET says that most people liked Burtons Batman movies that we are in the minority that hated Burtons Batman movies.got a newsflash for you Keaton/Burton lovers!!! THE NET does not account for everybody out there.duh.Its actually the XMEN fanbase that is the most easiest to please and there is very little wrath from xmen fans on the xmen movies.Where with Burtons Batman movies it is present like crazy.That was a good point you made earlier Long Dong that the hate for Burtons Batman movies has been pretty much forgotten because of the horrid Batman and Robin which totally wrecked the franchise.After that travesty,most Batamn fans that Hated Burton for his horrid casting choice of keaton as batman turned their hate to schmacher for his horrid Batman and Robin and forgot about Burtons Batman movies.

 

[The Joker]

I think it is funny that when the keaton lovers like doc ock and payaso are losing an argument that they go to the net to try and back up their laughable arguments.LOL.

Two things:

1. We are not losing any arguement. In fact we've already won it since you have STILL offered nothing to back up your claims.
2. You're not one to talk about laughable antics on the net MR PARKER. You are so desperate to try and force people into your beliefs that you go to other message boards to rally help, and send them on over here.

Talk about obsessed.

That is just plain ignorant to say that because THE NET says that most people liked Burtons Batman movies that we are in the minority that hated Burtons Batman movies.got a newsflash for you Keaton/Burton lovers!!!

You are in the minority. It's not just Net reviews that prove that. Magazines, newspapers and other forms of media praise the Burton Batman movies too.

THE NET does not account for everybody out there.duh.

How many people have internet access these days do you think??

Its actually the XMEN fanbase that is the most easiest to please and there is very little wrath from xmen fans on the xmen movies.

LOL! You obviously haven't visited the X-Men forums.

Where with Burtons Batman movies it is present like crazy.That was a good point you made earlier Long Dong that the hate for Burtons Batman movies has been pretty much forgotten because of the horrid Batman and Robin which totally wrecked the franchise.After that travesty,most Batamn fans that Hated Burton for his horrid casting choice of keaton as batman turned their hate to schmacher for his horrid Batman and Robin and forgot about Burtons Batman movies.

More speculation and opinion.

How boring.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Maybe it's time we closed this thread down.

 

[LongDong]

Yes.

Oops, he did it again...

You're ummmmm, kinda stupid man.

 

[WhiteRat]

Here is ANOTHER example of how the Burton hate is definetly there by thousands TODAY contrary to what a couple here assume is not there and why it is SO ignorant to go by what the net says.I asked my best friend what his parents thought of Batman Forever if they liked it and he said that his parents never saw it because they were too disgusted to go out and see it at the theaters because they were too disgusted with what Burton did to the Batman movies to want to venture out and see another Batman movie after that.When I asked them about it, they said they could not bring themselves to see it after what Burton did to the Batman films so they never saw it.Also when me and my best friend went to go see Batman Begins with them when we explained it to them it had nothing to do with the other Batman films,they agreed and saw it with us because the previews looked good and they really love Batman.Guess what? they loved Batman Begins and all 3 of them on the way out there to the theates kept saying how much they hated The Burton Batman movies so much that they skipped the schumacher ones.

 

[LongDong]

Maybe it's time we closed this thread down.

Why? if you don't like it you don't have to read it anymore. It has gotten old in some ways yes but I think Ock and I are having fun with each other. Sure Payaso is a moron and batmaluco or whatever his name is can be rather dumb, otherwise let the people argue!! I see no harm in letting them fight.

 

[The Joker]

Maybe it's time we closed this thread down.

Well it's your thread and that's your right to do so.

But there's nothing going on here except a heated debate. If anyone had crossed a line believe me I'd report them.

Here is ANOTHER example of how the Burton hate is definetly there bu thousands contrary to what a couple here assume is not there and why it is ignorant to go by what the net says.I asked my best friend what his parents thought of Batman Forever if they liked it and he said that his parents never saw it because they were too disgusted to go out and see it at the theaters because they were too disgusted with what Burton did to the Batman movies to want to venture out and see another Batman movie.When I asked them about it they said they could not bring themselves to see it after what Burton did to the Batman films so they never saw it.Also when me and my best friend wen to go see Batman Begins when we explained it to them it had nothing to do with the other Batman films,they agreed because the previews looked good and they really love Batman.Guess what? they loved Batman Begins and all 3 of them on the way out there kept saying how much they hated The Burton Batman movies so much that they skipped the schumacher ones.

Oh look, another friend story. Gee you haven't used that one yet

Why? if you don't like it you don't have to read it anymore. It has gotten old in some ways yes but I think Ock and I are having fun with each other. Sure Payaso is a moron and batmaluco or whatever his name is can be rather dumb, otherwise let the people argue!! I see no harm in letting them fight.

You're actually pretty cool LongDong. At least you don't debate this stuff like you're talking about politics or abortion. You have a sense of humour. Could you teach your brothers in hate to adopt a similar attitude??

Sorry we got off on the wrong foot.

Peace out

 

[LongDong]

You're actually pretty cool LongDong. At least you don't debate this stuff like you're talking about politics or abortion. You have a sense of humour. Could you teach your brothers in hate to adopt a similar attitude??

Sorry we got off on the wrong foot.

Peace out

Thanks man. yeah it is nothing to be serious about, I feel how I feel and will always stand up strong for my thoughts or feelings, but I don't make up stuff to back me up or twist things around like others do (payasso, man am I spellin that right?)

I am not easily offended or anything, I just like to have fun. Mainly with babes, but I am home alone right now so I must have fun in other ways.

Anyway, off to play soccer, see you homeboys LATA

 

[WhiteRat]

PLUS if THAT isnt enough to convince people like doc and payaso that there are thousands out there that DO indeed hate the burton batman movies to day there is this example as well of someone off the net who you cant account for.a former coworker friend of mine who moved away to another part of the country and I dont see anymore now because of that,I asked him one if he had ever seen the batman movies and he said he saw the first two but never saw batman forever.I asked him why and guess what? same story.He said he did not see Batman Forever because he was so disgusted with what Burton did to the batman movies that he ALSO could not bring himself to watch another batman movie after that.I told him to watch Batman Forever and loaned him my tape-since I got it for free along time ago.LOL so he watch ed it and guess what guys? when I asked him if he liked it he said Yes and that he liked it MUCH better than the other two batman movies before it and that he regretted not going to the theater to see it.I asked him WHY and he said because of the same reasons I have-That he also thought Val Kilmer made a much better batman because he at least looked the part and was impressed with him mostly as bruce wayne,and because it had action like a batman movie SHOULD have,and because for once,it was all about batman instead of being about all the villains.so AGAIN,this is one more person off the net who was so disgusted with Burtons batman movies for the same reasons many have,that he could not bring himself to see batman Forever.

 

[LongDong]

You know, aside from the over the top neon car doing an over the top sunday drive up the building and the over the top Two Face, Batman Forever was a pretty good bat flick.

 

[The Joker]

Thanks man. yeah it is nothing to be serious about, I feel how I feel and will always stand up strong for my thoughts or feelings

Much like myself and a few others here it would seem. They say birds of a feather flock together

but I don't make up stuff to back me up or twist things around like others do (payasso, man am I spellin that right?)

Well these friend stories that WhiteRat keeps continously spewing out, is what a court of law would call heresay. Meaning it has as much credibility as an eye witness account from a blind man.

If you're going to debate then present some facts. Not personal stories that could, and probably in WhiteRat's case, are made up to try and make your arguement look better.

mister lennon posted one story about his experience in the movie theatre and that was it. I'm more inclined to believe that then the 101 tales WhiteRat is suddenly spewing out here. In other words, I think he's full of it. And the only one here who's been twisting things. And he has no way of proving otherwise, much like he hasn't proved anything else in his debates.

I am not easily offended or anything, I just like to have fun. Mainly with babes, but I am home alone right now so I must have fun in other ways.

Anyway, off to play soccer, see you homeboys LATA

LOL!

Enjoy.

 

[WhiteRat]

one final point is after begging my aunt to get her to go see it- and it took some begging because she as well never saw batman forever because she as well hated the burton batman films very much.after convincing her to go see it and she as well went and saw it with friends of hers I had met before who as well told me they hated the burton films because of how disloyal they were to the comicbook,they also went and saw it and told me afterwards her and all her friends loved it and thanked me for not giving up on her to get her to see it.wow,i guess there arent thousands out there who still to this day dont hate Burtons Batman films. i wonder if I am going to hear the same old ignorant comment of-that doesnt prove there are others out there and thousands that dont hate it or whatever lame come back again by those two? THE NET "doesnt" count for all the thousands of fans out there,geez.I think I pretty much took them to school on that one wouldnt you say Dong? Lol.class dismissed Keaton Lovers.you learned something today. Im done.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

one final point is after begging my aunt to get her to go see it- and it took some begging because she as well never saw batman forever because she as well hated the burton batman films very much.after convincing her to go see it and she as well went and saw it with friends of hers I had met before who as well told me they hated the burton films because of how disloyal they were to the comicbook,they also went and saw it and told me afterwards her and all her friends loved it and thanked me for not giving up on her to get her to see it.wow,i guess there arent thousands out there who still to this day dont hate Burtons Batman films. i wonder if I am going to hear the same old ignorant comment of-that doesnt prove there are others out there and thousands that dont hate it or whatever lame come back again by those two? THE NET "doesnt" count for all the thousands of fans out there,geez.I think I pretty much took them to school on that one wouldnt you say Dong? Lol.class dismissed Keaton Lovers.you learned something today. Im done.

YAWN.



Noone was taken to school, please get over yourself. I have been reading this thread chuckling at both sides of the argument. Personally, i love the Burton movies and Keaton. I know that there are people who dont like those particular movies, however, those are the same poeple who dont like any of the 4 original flicks. I do know of some, who only like Forever, but they dont "hate" the Burton movies. This includes people ive met personally and people ive talked to on the net. I will agree with the statements that the "haters" are a smaller group than the fans of the Burton movies. Bringing up actual percentages and numbers is a pretty desperate measure when discussing a pretty lame subject like this over the internet. I personally dont care what any of you think of these movies, love em or hate em, and ill bet any one of you could care less about others opinions as well. I like what i like and there isnt one of you who is going to change my mind on it, and the same goes with all of you. I do agree bringing up personal stories of the hating means *****. I could tell you just as many about people who loved it. Its all heresay. Written articles about Burton haters? I have just as many in the opposite direction, probably more. Internet reviews? Please. There are some that review B&R as the best of the original 4. Internet reviews mean nothing. As with any movie, there are people who like and people who dislike. So, whats the main debate here? There are "thousands" of haters? Well, there are "thousands" of "lovers". And as ive said, for you guys talking of relatives and friends who hated Burton and Keaton and have for years, i have the same but with them loving it. Bringing up different regions? I have relatives in Florida who back up my stories, same goes for California. Does that mean there arent people who disliked it? No. However i can say that, as i said before, based on this, and based on the overall 89 mania (which did have an effect on peoples love/hate decision) the "haters" are the smaller group. I do believe this was established, so why all the debate over this?