The Amazing Spider-Man Out of the Two Villains?

[DACMAN]

Another reason I prefer this combo is because they're both more powerful than Spider-man.(Lizard in strength, Electro he literally cannot touch) I think by giving Spider-Man two stronger villains to contend with it will allows the writers to finally give us a smart clever Peter Parker than the pandering naive one we have seen in the movie (besides the sound chamber for Venom out of pipes because that was thinking on his feet). The blackout of NYC is the perfect backdrop for this because if the Lizard is doing something that Spider-Man needs to stop or even get his friend back, it will be more difficult if near impossible in the dark.

I loved SM2, but I thought it was a bit easy for Spidey to get to Doc Ock and punch him. He should have had to think harder to get by those tentacles at times. Doc Ock actually did much more thinking, hostages, grabbing nearby things and weapons, and most importantly, the train.

Those are actually good points.

 

[NinjaCarm]

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

ok thats gettin pretty old now ^^

 

[NinjaCarm]

ok thats gettin pretty old now ^^

OLD???? OLD????!?!?????!!!!! ARRRRHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[©KAW]

You can still have Lizard and Electro connected somehow. They can just take a page from TSSM.

-Max Dillon works for Curt Connors in the lab as a technician

- Has an accident with some electric things, turns to Electro. Zapps around electricity which hits the Lizard-DNA injection that Curt Connors is working on, and it turns out electricity was the last thing needed for the cure to "work".

- Curt Connors uses it on himself which first grows his arm back, and later turns him into Lizard.

Because of the blackout Peter will have problems finding a cure for Connors which would make quite a good plot. Meanwhile Electro would still be a problem because of his powers. He just happens to unlock the cage of the beast. Somehow though, he should manage to cure Connors, but there is this final confrontation left: Electro, who has built up his power with the city's electricity. The final fight would be in Times Square. That would make quite an epic movie if you ask me.

Absolutely not, Connors should NOT know the other secondary villain, he shouldn't be there or be apart of his creation. I mean, what the hell are the odds? This is the same thinking of Sam Raimi, or as I like to call it, minimal thinking. This is exactly why these films never evolve because they're always using these asinine formulas of connecting everyone.

The Lizard and Kraven works better, because they both compliment and complicate each other and Spider-Man's life. Not Peter Parker's life, but Spider-Man's. And we need more Spider-Man on screen, because if it were up to Raimi, he would get rid of Spider-Man altogether to focus more on Peter.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

OLD???? OLD????!?!?????!!!!! ARRRRHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Vile]

Neither. I find both lame as all hell.

Mysterio would be fun.

 

[DACMAN]

Absolutely not, Connors should NOT know the other secondary villain, he shouldn't be there or be apart of his creation. I mean, what the hell are the odds? This is the same thinking of Sam Raimi, or as I like to call it, minimal thinking. This is exactly why these films never evolve because they're always using these asinine formulas of connecting everyone.

The Lizard and Kraven works better, because they both compliment and complicate each other and Spider-Man's life. Not Peter Parker's life, but Spider-Man's. And we need more Spider-Man on screen, because if it were up to Raimi, he would get rid of Spider-Man altogether to focus more on Peter.

Agreed.

 

[RustyCage]

^ It should be common sense to everyone by now, don't you think?

 

[webhead731]

ok thats gettin pretty old now ^^

I was just about to say that. I chuckled the first time, but now he just ran it into the ground.

 

[ClusterSuck]

Thank the gods that the mojority favored The Lizard. There hasn't been alot of ground action with the rest, excluding sandman and other few fights, and lizard has been building up with the last two films that I just can't wait.

 

[Oscorp]

Well I didn't come with it actually. It was the SHH member Oscorp's idea. I've been pretty sold on this ever since I read it.

I'd much rather see that than the typical Kraven hunting the Lizard story.

Yes, indeed! And thanks!

Here is the topic that started it all :P (I am jonasson91 over at IMDb)

EDIT: What the heck, it's gone and cannot be found! :S anyway, at least you know I'm not lying! :P

EDIT 2: However, I'm NOT for the idea of having Electro connected with Connors in any way. Electro should just happen to unleash the beast in the dark, if you know what I mean.

 

[RustyCage]

Those are actually good points.

Whaaat? Are you serious?

Isn't Kraven also more powerful than Spidey? I mean choosing Electro over Kraven because 'Electro and Lizard are both stronger than Spidey' is such flawed logic that I don't know why zeptron even thought of it in the first place. Kraven has incredible strength, his senses and his stealthiness, etcetera. Not only does Kraven apply for the same reason, but he's also a million times more appropriate because of his nature and motivations, and not merely a tool for a blackout. I don't think I need to walk anyone through how well he (Kraven) compliments Lizard, because it should be pretty friggin' obvious.

Electro is SUCH a mismatch with Lizard and you expressed that pretty well before, DAC.

PS - Why is a blackout even necessary? Do you know how dark sewers and subways can be? Or even parts of NY at night? Not everything has to take place in the pretty, well-lit parts of NY. C'mon now people. I stayed in Manhattan this past January and you'd be surprised how quickly things change from bright white lights and giant ads and pop music and I <3 NY t-shirts to dim orange street lights and homeless people and druggies and muggers when you go for a walk.

In fact, I wonder why Raimi hasn't had Spidey do anything in those creepier areas yet.. Maybe he's trying to avoid falling into some 'guy who makes scary movies' stereotype and separate Spidey from his forte. Kind of ironic..

 

[zeptron]

Whaaat? Are you serious?

Isn't Kraven also more powerful than Spidey? I mean choosing Electro over Kraven because 'Electro and Lizard are both stronger than Spidey' is such flawed logic that I don't know why zeptron even thought of it in the first place. Kraven has incredible strength, his senses and his stealthiness, etcetera. Not only does Kraven apply for the same reason, but he's also a million times more appropriate because of his nature and motivations, and not merely a tool for a blackout. I don't think I need to walk anyone through how well he (Kraven) compliments Lizard, because it should be pretty friggin' obvious.

Did you even read what I said about Doc Ock? It seemed a bit too easy for Spidey to get by his tentacles and deliver punches. Electro can cover himself with electricity making it so that Spidey cannot punch him. So he'll have to find some other way to beat him.

PS - Why is a blackout even necessary? Do you know how dark sewers and subways can be? Or even parts of NY at night? Not everything has to take place in the pretty, well-lit parts of NY. C'mon now people. I stayed in Manhattan this past January and you'd be surprised how quickly things change from bright white lights and giant ads and pop music and I <3 NY t-shirts to dim orange street lights and homeless people and druggies and muggers when you go for a walk.

It can make things more difficult for Spidey if there was a seven foot Lizard rampaging through a completely dark city with no lights at all.

 

[RustyCage]

Did you even read what I said about Doc Ock? It seemed a bit too easy for Spidey to get by his tentacles and deliver punches. Electro can cover himself with electricity making it so that Spidey cannot punch him. So he'll have to find some other way to beat him.

Yes, actually, I did. And while it's true, it also doesn't make him any more appropriate than Kraven for a villain pairing with the Lizard.

If variety of combat is all you're talking about, Spidey will already be trying hard enough to find a way to stop Lizard creatively so that he doesn't kill his friend inside the creature, as well as struggling to keep Kraven from killing Connors (his prey) too. But Kraven is pretty damn unique from the other villains too. Not only is he immensely strong and attuned to hunting and being stealthy on an unmatched level, but he also sets all kinds of death traps and snares and s***. I'd say Spidey's got plenty of new things to do as far as figuring out how to take down his foes goes.

But either way, regardless of the combat aspect, Electro is STILL a bad match for Lizard, so it was a moot point to begin with. But don't get me wrong, Electro would be fine in film with another villain that he better suits being paired with (or against). And he can still do everything that you want him to do. Blackouts, making things harder for Spidey, becoming unpunchable, etc.

It can make things more difficult for Spidey if there was a seven foot Lizard rampaging through a completely dark city with no lights at all.

Sure it can, but the completely dark city isn't necessary for the effect you're after for starters, since, as I was saying, the Lizard can terrorize plenty of dark places and even his lair is creepy and dark. Spidey's already got his hands waaay past full, and he's already got lots of darkness to deal with. Throwing in Electro as a tool for a blackout is merely a gimmick, and an irrelevant and highly unneeded one.

 

[DACMAN]

Whaaat? Are you serious?

Isn't Kraven also more powerful than Spidey? I mean choosing Electro over Kraven because 'Electro and Lizard are both stronger than Spidey' is such flawed logic that I don't know why zeptron even thought of it in the first place. Kraven has incredible strength, his senses and his stealthiness, etcetera. Not only does Kraven apply for the same reason, but he's also a million times more appropriate because of his nature and motivations, and not merely a tool for a blackout. I don't think I need to walk anyone through how well he (Kraven) compliments Lizard, because it should be pretty friggin' obvious.

Electro is SUCH a mismatch with Lizard and you expressed that pretty well before, DAC.

PS - Why is a blackout even necessary? Do you know how dark sewers and subways can be? Or even parts of NY at night? Not everything has to take place in the pretty, well-lit parts of NY. C'mon now people. I stayed in Manhattan this past January and you'd be surprised how quickly things change from bright white lights and giant ads and pop music and I <3 NY t-shirts to dim orange street lights and homeless people and druggies and muggers when you go for a walk.

In fact, I wonder why Raimi hasn't had Spidey do anything in those creepier areas yet.. Maybe he's trying to avoid falling into some 'guy who makes scary movies' stereotype and separate Spidey from his forte. Kind of ironic..

I still think we need Kraven and Lizard together. I just thought it was a good point in having him beat a villain with his brains and not his fists this time. He kind of did that with Ock when he pulled up that wire for him to hit. And he did that with Venom. But most of the time it was just beat the villain into submission.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I'm going to post the following to every response on every board I go on because I'm reading useless debates on here like "No Lizard is stronger than this guy, and Kraven uses his skills, and Carnage is not that insane" you are all basically saying yeah go ahead Raimi make another Dawson's Creek episode with Spider-Man eye candy:

I could really care less who the villains will be in the next movie. All I want, for the love of GOD, is a true Spider-Man movie, a true representation of the feel good semi-confident Peter Parker that when he gets into the costume he's a charmingly funny makes you feel safe Spider-Man, not catering to the damn kiddies, with genuine and ENGAGING acting, a complex plot not made for morons, with awe inspiring Spider-Man action scenes... not recycled music shoddy swinging scenes, and extremely threatening villains that don't cry.

Oh, and f you Sony.

 

[Rain Dog]

I voted Lizard, though I certainly wouldn't mind the Vulture.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Out of these two? Lizard, no question.

 

[OzzyKP]

The Lizard, Kraven, elements of Kraven's Last Hunt mixed with classic Lizard and a dose of Todd McFarlane's Torment savage killing machine Lizard, no mind control. You've got yourself one b@d@ss Spider-Man 4 movie.

This is exactly what I'd like to see.

 

[Spiderine]

People tend to forget Kraven has enhanced powers. Strength, agility, heightened senses. As a side villain it could be interesting if he is incorporated properly into the story.