Parent Licence

Hmmmm interesting. I am all in favor of anything that slows the world's population growth. I am also in favor of anything that promotes good parenting. While this is a brilliant notion, it can only exist in a fantasy land. No way to enforce it and too many people who "love freedom" will not be in favor of learning how to do something before doing it, so this won't work in the real world.
 
That's idiotic.

Just because a few nutjobs do despicable things, that doesn't mean every potentially responsible parent should have to suffer the consequences of someone else's actions.

Not to mention that it interferes with the whole "free will," pursuit of happiness, etc. that our country was founded on...

Well its more then a few people, and they aren't nutjobs for the most part, they might have been raised in violence and see it as the only way, or are dangerously ignorant to the needs of a child. And looking at how full your prisons are, it isn't isolated.

how do you regulate whos smart enough to have children and whos dumb enough to be denied???

wheres that line?

should there really be one?

freedom?

even in china they don't say no... they aply economic pressure, which having children should naturally do anyway

Well it would have be made very carefully. It shouldn't be centered on if your good at arithmetics, but if you have the basic skills needed in order to raise a child properly is all.
Some people have no idea whatsoever on how to deal with a kid, they do everything wrong, they react violently to adolescence, or just let the kid figure things out on their own, and the kids reach out to gangs, etcetera.
 
China has this thing called the one-child policy. Every family that has more than one child is forced to give it up for adoption, and women currently pregnant with their second child are forced to have an abortion. Women who have more than one child also face imprisonment.

I don't see how this license program would be any different. Proponents of this obviously don't support democracy.

Woah nelly...

China imposes massive fines and penalizes work benefits, people adopt out not the government, neither are they forced (directly anyway) to have an abortion.
 
Woah nelly...

China imposes massive fines and penalizes work benefits.

True. Forgot to mention that part.

people adopt out not the government, neither are they forced (directly anyway) to have an abortion.

That is wrong. Maybe it isn't the official policy, it it sure as hell is the unofficial policy. Take, for example, this article from The Weekly Standard:

In China, justice is blind, barefoot, and under arrest. BY JENNIFER CHOU

ON OCTOBER 10, a lawyer and three assistants traveled from Beijing to Linyi, a city of 10 million roughly 400 miles southeast of the Chinese capital, to participate in a historic class-action lawsuit. Organized by the charismatic blind activist Chen Guangcheng, 34, the lawsuit targets local officials who compelled people to undergo abortions or vasectomies in overzealous pursuit of China's "one-child" population policy. When the delegation from Beijing reached the place appointed for the hearing, they were informed that a defense attorney had suffered acute appendicitis and the proceeding had been cancelled.

Chen himself had already been sidelined. Held under house arrest since the summer, he had attempted to evade his guards on October 4 in order to meet with three lawyers from Beijing. Quickly surrounded by about 60 men, mostly thugs and gangsters but also some local officials, the lawyers had been beaten, and Chen had been left bleeding in the street.

Eyewitnesses told Radio Free Asia that one of the lawyers, Li Fangping, was pinned to the ground and beaten up, and only narrowly escaped being thrown into the river Another lawyer, Xu Zhiyong, was also pushed to the ground and beaten. A local resident told RFA that Chen suffered cuts and injuries to his arms and a leg and also lost a tooth. His requests to go to the hospital were denied. Instead, local authorities sent a doctor to check his blood pressure. The three visiting lawyers were interrogated by police for 15 hours, then put on a train for Beijing. In a cell-phone interview with RFA during the train ride back to the capital, Xu Zhiyong reported that the beating incident seemed to him to have been "organized," and that during his interrogation the authorities warned against further interference because the case against Chen "involved state secrets."

The case Chen is attempting to advance against local authorities certainly does. A self-taught jurist and defender of the rights of the disabled, Chen is known around Linyi as the "barefoot lawyer." In March 2005, he began recording testimony from men and women who had been forced to undergo sterilizations or submit to abortions.

Officially, abortions and sterilizations must be voluntary. But in practice, local officials are under intense pressure to meet population-control targets. In an interview in April 2005, one township-level family-planning official told RFA that illegal actions had been taken in Linyi to help meet population targets. "If people have more than the allotted number of children," he explained, "it affects the overall family planning results. Here in Shandong Province, each level of government has the responsibility for overseeing the level below it. From the city level upwards, you start getting fines for exceeding the target."

Chen's work showed that local officials were requiring women expecting a third child to end their pregnancies and their husbands to undergo vasectomies. In some cases, individuals went into hiding rather than submit, only to see their relatives arrested, beaten, and held hostage in city prisons until the escapees turned themselves in. By one estimate based on lawyers' investigations, at least 7,000 people in the Yinan district of Linyi alone were forced to undergo abortions or sterilizations between March and July 2005.

Chen's determination to document and publicize such abuses became something more than an annoyance to Linyi officials when he filed his lawsuit against them. By August, authorities had set up roadblocks near Chen's home in the Dongshigu precinct and posted guards at the local train station to prevent visitors from reaching him. In a mid-August telephone interview with RFA, Chen said he had been threatened and harassed by public security personnel.

Then, in late August, on a night so dark that a blind man was at an advantage over others, Chen managed to slip through the security cordon around his house and travel to Beijing. There, he met with foreign journalists, U.S. embassy officials, and lawyers who had volunteered to help with the class-action suit.

On September 6, however, while still in the capital, Chen was abducted in broad daylight by unidentified men as he left an apartment building, He was dragged across a parking lot, punched, gagged, and pushed into the back of an unmarked car with tinted windows. Held in a hotel room for 38 hours, Chen was interrogated, threatened with charges of illegally providing intelligence to foreign countries, and visited by the head of the Linyi public security bureau and the city's deputy mayor. His abductors turned out to be policemen from Linyi.

Chen was escorted back to Dongshigu. In a cell-phone interview with Radio Free Asia after he arrived home, Chen said the authorities had disconnected his landline and confiscated his computer. Shortly after the interview, his cell-phone connection was cut as well.

By then, however, Chen's campaign was apparently already bearing fruit. On September 19, the National Population and Family Planning Commission, a cabinet-level entity that manages population growth in China, announced that it was joining with the Shandong family-planning agency to send teams to investigate claims of forced abortions and sterilizations in Linyi. The commission said in a statement that some local officials in Linyi "did commit practices that violated the law and infringed upon the legitimate rights and interests of citizens while conducting family planning work." It was announced that several health officials had been removed or punished.

Whether this amounted to a real victory, however, remains unclear. In interviews with RFA, Linyi residents and activists insist that, to their knowledge, not a single local official has been sacked or disciplined.

For the moment, then, the contenders are at a sort of stalemate. It won't last. A few years ago, Chen Guangcheng visited Washington. Though slender and soft-spoken, in his sunglasses he looked like a rock star. Now, as he sits at home nursing his injuries, it is safe to assume he is contemplating how he can press forward with his work.

Not to mention that forced abortion, adoptions and imprisonment regarding the failure to adhere to China's One Child Policy have been repeatedly cited in the Human Rights Watch's annual reports for several years running, and has also remained the focus of several international human rights organizations who are dead against such a policy.

Certainly, not all women are forced to undergo these sort of things, but many-- mostly ethnic minorities or members of China's peasantry-- are, and it's really disturbing.
 
Well its more then a few people, and they aren't nutjobs for the most part, they might have been raised in violence and see it as the only way, or are dangerously ignorant to the needs of a child. And looking at how full your prisons are, it isn't isolated.

I'm afraid you're wrong. It may be more than a few, but I bet you it's less than 5% of the parenting population. Our country is one of 300 million people, with approximately 122 million family households. Only three or four of these stories make headlines in a short time span. Considering that ratio, I would have to say that it is indeed a few nutjobs who go crazy and do these things to their children.

Plus, they are nutjobs. Anyone who murders or abuses his or her children is a nutjob, and deserves to go to prison for it.

Additionally, what's to say that parents who receive parenting licenses won't snap and go ape**** on their kids anyway? It's bound to happen.

Again, you're forcing a vast majority of prospective parents to get a license to reproduce and start a family, when most of them will go on to be good, active parents.

Finally, a parenting license won't magically fix the United States prison system. I don't know what kind of logic you're using to reach that conclusion, but whatever it is, it doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever.
 
Two words...

Britney. Spears. :(

If only this could be so, but like others have said, totally unenforceable.
 
It's unenforcable and therefore not a valid option. I too think there should be restrictions on people who should not have children, but there's really nothing that can be done without being fascist or evil about it.

And restricting reproduction as a way to control population is stupid. Population control happens without our direct intent anyway, through wars, hunger, disease, crime (yes, even child abuse can be seen as a form of population control.. if you want to get cold and distant about it), we don't need to be officially instating programs to do so.
 
It's unenforcable and therefore not a valid option. I too think there should be restrictions on people who should not have children, but there's really nothing that can be done without being fascist or evil about it.

And restricting reproduction as a way to control population is stupid. Population control happens without our direct intent anyway, through wars, hunger, disease, crime (yes, even child abuse can be seen as a form of population control.. if you want to get cold and distant about it), we don't need to be officially instating programs to do so.

As Kel stated in another thread, our population in the US has essentially stopped growing. With many people now opting to have only 1 or 2 children or none at all (versus 5 or 6 kids+ in the 50's) our population is no longer fully "replenishing" itself, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
As Kel stated in another thread, our population in the US has essentially stopped growing. With many people now opting to have only 1 or 2 children or none at all (versus 5 or 6 kids+ in the 50's) our population is no longer fully "replenishing" itself, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

No, it's not a bad thing. I love how people are complaining of over-population and such as being a problem for the environment and all that junk. There's no way the population will get too large for very long.
 
There should be mandatory sterilization at birth. Then, as an adult, you and your partner pass a licensing exam to have the sterilization reversed long enough to conceive. A new license is required for each child with stricter requirements, since more than one child is more difficult.
 
So, freedom of choice to end a pregnancy but not the same freedom to start one? Interesting concept . . .
 
Serial killers are a statistical anomaly, and rarely come from ideal families. But most criminals do come from broken homes. Abusers are raised by abusers, etcetera.

bro I think statistics mean **** honestly, You cant predict someone is just going to bug out and aka murder someone(marine killing girl) or people (mall shootings, school shootings, mom killing all her kids, dad throwing kids off a bridge)

under extreme situations anyone can snap
 
bro I think statistics mean **** honestly, You cant predict someone is just going to bug out and aka murder someone(marine killing girl) or people (mall shootings, school shootings, mom killing all her kids, dad throwing kids off a bridge)

under extreme situations anyone can snap

Sure, newscasters are notorious for using stats to substantiate claims, they make correlations where there are none.

In hindsight people always point to warning signs that these people showed, not that it does the dead any good.
Thing is, there are triggering factors, but the people triggered have heavy baggage prior to the incident.

Anyways, I have a pretty good basis of knowledge on all sorts of freaks, used to be my interest until I figure how petty and sad it was in terms of the "big picture"... Less then 2% of murders can be attributed to serial murder and the like, its not a big concern, its just sensationalized.
 
WHile the world is filled with over population and idiots filling the world whereever you go. I don't think that taking away peoples right to bone and have little bastards to help ruiin the world will ever happen
 
I wish they would make a male birth control pill.
 
I wish they would make a male birth control pill.
There are millions of sperm cells in each load, it would be hard to eliminate all of those safely in a pill form. They have tried and have failed. There are tons of contraceptives...people just don't know how to use them.
 
There are millions of sperm cells in each load, it would be hard to eliminate all of those safely in a pill form. They have tried and have failed. There are tons of contraceptives...people just don't know how to use them.

Oh if only Hypnotoad were real. He could solve this problem.
 
I'm afraid you're wrong. It may be more than a few, but I bet you it's less than 5% of the parenting population. Our country is one of 300 million people, with approximately 122 million family households. Only three or four of these stories make headlines in a short time span. Considering that ratio, I would have to say that it is indeed a few nutjobs who go crazy and do these things to their children.

Plus, they are nutjobs. Anyone who murders or abuses his or her children is a nutjob, and deserves to go to prison for it.

Additionally, what's to say that parents who receive parenting licenses won't snap and go ape**** on their kids anyway? It's bound to happen.

Again, you're forcing a vast majority of prospective parents to get a license to reproduce and start a family, when most of them will go on to be good, active parents.

Finally, a parenting license won't magically fix the United States prison system. I don't know what kind of logic you're using to reach that conclusion, but whatever it is, it doesn't make any sort of sense whatsoever.

Your thinking extremes, I'm not just talking about parents who hold down their kids hands on stovetops, but generally misguided parents.

This is more of a theoretical proposition then an actual one anyways. Like many have confirmed, enforcing this would be near impossible without worse things coming about then we are trying to solve... Probably.

And whats the big deal about going threw a licensing process if it means you'll be a better parent for it. Many parents complain, or defend themselves by saying "well there wasn't any instruction manual to come with you"... Well this would be as close to that as it would get.

Maybe I should look away from the restrictive aspect of this, and focus on the beneficial aspects. Think exhaustive workshops to prepare people for the reality, think of a wide range of competency testings...
For the most part you wouldn't just let people get behind the wheel of a car and drive, and expect them to figure it out for themselves.
You wouldn't want to be operated on by a doctor who didn't have a degree.

As cliche as it sounds, kids are the future right? Well this just sounds like a very good investment to me.

And of course it wouldn't rid America of its prison problem, not completely, but if more and more kids, especially from troubled areas, get a good start, have proper morals instilled, religious or otherwise, have parents that are available to them, take interest in them, and support them, in the long run you will have many less young boys getting in trouble and entering a life of crime.

Most people committing crime are young males, the highest frequency is amongst adolescent and young adults.

Nowadays we have more reactive solutions, basically wait till they **** up and put them in the system which they'll continuously pass threw, but if things start of right, if a proactive approach is taken, you can prevent the problem before it starts.

No one says parents won't just snap... But your blowing out the instances of people snapping waaaaay out of proportion. Its as clear as day in your mind simply because everytime it happens, you hear about it for weeks, months, years, its sensationalized, it makes for good news apparently, people gobble it up and interpret it as a true representation of crime.

They feel they live in a country where they need to be constantly in fear of one another... Thats another discussion anyways... Trust me, or do your own research, there is not a high frequency of people snapping, serial killers, serial snipers, mass murderers, etcetera.
 
Yay, Big Government and more tax increases! :dry:

jag
 
Everyone is born with one 'procreation' credit, when combined with another person, that couple can have 2 children, then sterilization is forced.

If decided, a person can forgo his or her chance to procreate and sell their credit to another, so they may have another child. This can only happen after the age of 35, and sterilization is forced upon sale.
 

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