Pedro Pascal is Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic

[Fluedd]

It's not necessarily a big deal if consenting adults have an age gap. But it certainly becomes a big deal when there's an imbalanced power dynamic.

Age gaps are even more common in the movies than in real life, and they're pretty common in real life. So again, I don't have a problem with it.

As for power dynamic, in the comics Sue is the most powerful member of the Fantastic Four. And I'm sure in the "M-She-U" that will only be more true. So is there really going to be an imbalanced power dynamic? I kind of like the idea that maybe Reed will have more power in some ways and less in others, sounds like real life.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

other then people defending the age gap to support their personally "fancast"

I'm curious to know, how people think her being younger/or having an age gap with Reed would benefit the character?

seems like people just want it both ways... their like " I want them to keep JK in the role" "but, I also want {insert young actress name here} in the role of Sue" "it can still work!!!" "who cares about age"

 

[Da-Scribe]

The folks defending the age gap are weirdly fixated on that part even though no one is saying an age gap on its own is innately problematic.

It’s just that many of us don’t want to see a Reed who is old enough to be Sue’s father and also acts like it. It’s gross.

 

[Stark Bauer]

The folks defending the age gap are weirdly fixated on that part even though no one is saying an age gap on its own is innately problematic.

It’s just that many of us don’t want to see a Reed who is old enough to be Sue’s father and also acts like it. It’s gross.

i concur. Should John K be Reed and a younger actress is cast, he should not act as her father. Perhaps like Christine does with Stephen Strange or Pepper with Tony Stark. But nothing remotely close to being her father or sugar daddy lol

 

[Fluedd]

other then people defending the age gap to support their personally "fancast"

I'm curious to know, how people think her being younger/or having an age gap with Reed would benefit the character?

For me, my recollection of the comic is that Sue has always been younger, although the number of years has not been specific. Statistically, in most couples the man is four years older, that's the average.

But that aside, I plead guilty that I want Krasinski in the role, even though I am doubtful that he is actually going to get it. That's why I wish they would go ahead and name the cast already, and stop all this damn speculation.

It’s just that many of us don’t want to see a Reed who is old enough to be Sue’s father and also acts like it. It’s gross.

Are there posters saying they want Reed to act like Sue's father? Because I don't recall seeing any. A lot of times though, women will marry a woman that reminds them of their father in some way. The father is the image of the male role model for children. If you think about it, it makes sense. People seek to marry others who share their family values.

Just curious, if there is a 15 year age gap, is that old enough to be her father? Technically it certainly is. By the way, if you are grossed out by age gaps, I suggest you don't watch House of the Dragon.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just curious, if there is a 15 year age gap, is that old enough to be her father? Technically it certainly is. By the way, if you are grossed out by age gaps, I suggest you don't watch House of the Dragon.

Or if people are grossed out by age gaps, I suggest they don't interact with others in real life.

 

[Airwings]

Dylan O Brien is one of my favourite actors. I think we have very different tastes. Agree to disagree

Do you think he'll suit a younger Reed?

 

[Da-Scribe]

For me, my recollection of the comic is that Sue has always been younger, although the number of years has not been specific. Statistically, in most couples the man is four years older, that's the average.

But that aside, I plead guilty that I want Krasinski in the role, even though I am doubtful that he is actually going to get it. That's why I wish they would go ahead and name the cast already, and stop all this damn speculation.



Are there posters saying they want Reed to act like Sue's father? Because I don't recall seeing any. A lot of times though, women will marry a woman that reminds them of their father in some way. The father is the image of the male role model for children. If you think about it, it makes sense. People seek to marry others who share their family values.

Just curious, if there is a 15 year age gap, is that old enough to be her father? Technically it certainly is. By the way, if you are grossed out by age gaps, I suggest you don't watch House of the Dragon.

The first time this discussion came up there was in the General thread (not this one - my mistake). It was mostly Johnny Richards (who is banned now) with support from a few others. Here's an example of a post that you liked actually:

I've been reading FF 30 years and young Reed Richards just doesn't work. Same goes for young Ben Grimm. Part of their charm is their mileage. Their experience in life. You take that away and it's just blah. Reed is supposed to be a father figure to both Sue and Johnny. She admires his vast intelligence and maturity. Johnny resents it but deep down couldn't live without it. He's the closest thing he has to a father. Sue married her hero and gave Johnny someone to look up to in the process. You make them all equals, all kids...you lose that great family dynamic.

Krasinski is the oldest cinematic Reed thus far and that's a massive win. Over a decade older than Teller, Gruffoud and Hyde White were when they played Reed.

So yeah, this is a creepy POV. Also, someone reminding you of your father and being a father figure are two entirely different things. Surely that's pretty clear.

And is HotD the example you really want to rely on? A show that is so largely about how ****ed up that world is to women and young girls? About how they are widely viewed as baby-making machines and are casually bargained off to adult suitors before they've even hit puberty? I don't think that makes the point you think it does.

 

[Airwings]

other then people defending the age gap to support their personally "fancast"

I'm curious to know, how people think her being younger/or having an age gap with Reed would benefit the character?

seems like people just want it both ways... their like " I want them to keep JK in the role" "but, I also want {insert young actress name here} in the role of Sue" "it can still work!!!" "who cares about age"

It won't benefit the characters, or the film, with a big age gap.

It's just what you're saying, to keep the personal fancast.

Krasinski was very much "linked" to Reed even before MoM. When people saw him play the role, they're thinking he can do it again.
Then someone, I think he's on the "Krasinski bandwagon" (as a lot of others are), had made up his mind that Ronan in particular should play Susan. This only for the reason she's the number one best young actress, and to settle for anyone else is a true let down.
I made the first post where pointed out the problem with the age difference.... and you know the rest.
To claim that another actress (born 1985) would be better in terms of age when matcing with Krasisnki, didn't help. She wasn't on the same talent level and shouldn't be cast because of that little factor. No, it had to be Ronan because she's the best. It was a fixation, like Da-Scribe mentions in another post.
"Who cares about Ronan's age? She's the best! Marvel should cast the best"
The same fixation continued with more people coming in to defend the big difference in age.

What about when there were suggestions of a younger Reed actor? No, the discussion still was about having Krasinski and Ronan together, as if people didn't want Reed to be closer to her age. Krasinski was Mr Fantastic, by definition. Nearly all the actors born in the late 80s/early 90s which we know by name, were brought up. And ignored.
Maybe it would have weakened the standpoint of defending the age difference if someone admitted that a younger Reed will be more suitable for Ronan. So the actor suggestions were not really acknowledged while the discussion went on.

 

[Fluedd]

Here's an example of a post that you liked actually:

Okay, that flew over my head. I don't think Reed should be a father figure to Johnny and Sue. I was thinking that Reed is the father figure in the group, sort of in a metaphorical sense. If you view that FF is a family, Reed is the father. But I don't even know how much of a father figure he is to Johnny even, seems like Johnny's angry at him more often that not.

No, I'm not advocating for House of Dragons as a model we should live by. Just trying to help people avoid stress if they don't like age gaps.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

obviously (or at least I'd hope) people understand House of Dragons (is not only fiction, but) a very time period

an the actions and customs/traditions of their (again fictional) world has no bearings in our (or even the fictional world of the MCU's) current times

this comparison seems odd

 

[Airwings]

obviously (or at least I'd hope) people understand House of Dragons (is not only fiction, but) a very time period

an the actions and customs/traditions of their (again fictional) world has no bearings in our (or even the fictional world of the MCU's) current times

this comparison seems odd

The defenders of "Krasinski & Ronan" go lenghts to make the match seem legimate.
First it was make-up artists, then real-world relationships, and now House of the Dragon (totally different style than F4)

I don't understand why somebody would be behind the idea that make-up artists are needed to make Ronan look older, when the casting director can go with a older actress instead. Why is it so important to get Ronan that make-up is required to age her up? How much should they age her up? 6-7 years? Hahha, why not just go with somebody who's that much older than Ronan?
And another thing, why is the make-up only used as a excuse in one discussion but not brought for any other actor/character?
It could be that people first have to like an acting star. Then they would come up with every way of defending that one. Even when it's about the very same thing - the look.

Nobody explained that Thomas Sangster will look older with make-up when he plays James Bond. Everybody complained about his baby face and went "he looks like a kid". Not a single poster came to his rescue and suggested the make-up team will do wonders.

Nobody wants Sangster, for anything. Everybody wants Ronan, for everything. That's the difference.
One actor's weakness will be his fall, but if another actor has a similar weakness then it won't matter because we can change the appearance.
Can't the first actor be changed the same way?
"Yes he can but we won't ever mention it because we don't like him. And if you use the make-up excuse for him like we did for Ronan, we will tell you that you are wrong!"

 

[Fluedd]

obviously (or at least I'd hope) people understand House of Dragons (is not only fiction, but) a very time period

an the actions and customs/traditions of their (again fictional) world has no bearings in our (or even the fictional world of the MCU's) current times

this comparison seems odd

It's not a comparison.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Do you think he'll suit a younger Reed?

not really. He is more of a wise cracking type. So Human Torch or Ice Man could work

 

[Dark Raven]

Would Reed ever refer to himself as the smartest man alive? I think he's more humble than that.

I can't imagine him saying "I'm a genius. I'm the smartest man alive. Like, really smart."

 

[Spider-Fan83]

It's not a comparison.

then what is it?

 

[Airwings]

Would Reed ever refer to himself as the smartest man alive? I think he's more humble than that.

I can't imagine him saying "I'm a genius. I'm the smartest man alive. Like, really smart."

It will be interesting to see him, Banner and Pym together.

 

[Fluedd]

then what is it?

A warning, no more. I said if you are grossed out by age differences, you had better avoid House of the Dragon.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

but my point was just cause you don't like an age difference in one thing, doesn't mean you can't tolerate it in another (when it is expected or fitted with that theme)

 

[Airwings]

I would like to know what you think about a younger Reed actor and who that should be.
Let's leave Krasinski for a while and go for someone who can be a good match for either Lily James or Saoirse Ronan.

 

[Stark Bauer]

With all due respect, we can talk about Krasinski till we are blue in the face. If you dont like it simply ignore.

Personally I dont want a young Reed. Too many teens and young adults in the MCU (Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop, Spidey, Ant Man’s daughter etc. I think they are great btw but there needs to be balance).

Feige needs to desperately fill the elder roles that RDJ and Evans have left. MCU feels like an empty shell of itself without them tbh.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

there are some slightly younger actors I've considered/suggested in the past, but, have a hard picturing anyone in her range for Reed

but I've also included actresses in her age range for fan-cast with some of those suggestion (so I think there are some parings that work better then others, even with an age gap)

so, idk you either have to accept an age difference or cast older with Sue

but going younger with Reed isn't really the answer (IMO)

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am sort of tired of the same discussions here. So I am more or less out until we get real news from a real source. Not these scoopers who know exactly Jack and squat or fancasters

 

[Fluedd]

Feige needs to desperately fill the elder roles that RDJ and Evans have left. MCU feels like an empty shell of itself without them tbh.

Something feels missing since the last Avengers movie, and you may have hit on it. Losing Chadwick Boseman didn't help either.

 

[Marvel united]

With all due respect, we can talk about Krasinski till we are blue in the face. If you dont like it simply ignore.

Personally I dont want a young Reed. Too many teens and young adults in the MCU (Ms Marvel, Kate Bishop, Spidey, Ant Man’s daughter etc. I think they are great btw but there needs to be balance).

Feige needs to desperately fill the elder roles that RDJ and Evans have left. MCU feels like an empty shell of itself without them tbh.

Something feels missing since the last Avengers movie, and you may have hit on it. Losing Chadwick Boseman didn't help either.

I'm just trying to figure out when people in their early - mid 30s started being grouped in with teenagers

Somebody like Nicholas Hoult for example (33)


Or Penn Badgley (35)


(Two excellent choices for Reed)

Are not "kids" lol. They're the same age range the Avengers were when they began