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Hecate vainly talking about shoes after attack will bite them. Ethan knows she isn't fro daddy dearest. Knowledge is power

I guess she couldn't resist herself, but if she were smart, she would've kept those cards hidden. It ended sooner than I thought it will though, I expected it to last through the season, like Madame Kali seducing Sir Malcolm.

Anyway, it was a nice episode. I really liked Sembene's and Ethan's scenes. Hell, I like every scene in which Sembene speaks. :woot:
I was curious about the character from season 1 and we still know little to nothing about him. Hopefully they'll reveal his story in this one.

And I still don't know where they're going with Dorian Gray's story arc... there's been nothing as of yet to foreshadow his moral degradation that's due to come. If it's to happen in season 3 or 4, then they introduced him way too early.
 
I guess she couldn't resist herself, but if she were smart, she would've kept those cards hidden. It ended sooner than I thought it will though, I expected it to last through the season, like Madame Kali seducing Sir Malcolm.

Anyway, it was a nice episode. I really liked Sembene's and Ethan's scenes. Hell, I like every scene in which Sembene speaks. :woot:
I was curious about the character from season 1 and we still know little to nothing about him. Hopefully they'll reveal his story in this one.

And I still don't know where they're going with Dorian Gray's story arc... there's been nothing as of yet to foreshadow his moral degradation that's due to come. If it's to happen in season 3 or 4, then they introduced him way too early.
Id like to see some dedicated episodes on Ethan and Sembe the same as they've done with Vanessa. It would be only fair, lol.

And I agree with the confusion about Dorian. Are they biding time with him or is there an actual point with this new relationship? I mean given his decadent history, I find it hard to believe this is his first dalliance with a transgender person. Not that I have a problem with it, more like me wondering if there is a point to it is all....
 
Vanessa having fun with Victor was legend. So good. I could watch an entire season devoted to Eva Green being adorably teasing. Victor doesn't know that Vanessa has meant Brona. That should be interesting.

Ethan and Sembene time was also fantastic. That cake looked delicious. I also loved the line about Vanessa having dessert for breakfast everyday.

Dorian is now where this show goes to die. Without him, it would be perfect.
 
Maybe he really falls for this transgender woman and she dies somehow.

I wish they would tie him into the Vanessa story tho. Him and his story feels so inconsequential to the rest of the show.
 
Maybe he really falls for this transgender woman and she dies somehow.

I wish they would tie him into the Vanessa story tho. Him and his story feels so inconsequential to the rest of the show.
That sounds just like Ethan's story last season...
 
What a beautiful troll! :awesome:

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The Dorian bits feel so out of place in the story. At least last season, he had interactions with Vanessa and even Ethan and now he's in his own little world. That would've been fine if his story and the actor is interesting but so far it's been quite boring.
 
I suspect Dorian's (presumably*) faustian pact will play into the overall season arc. Lucifer did not fall alone, and Dorian's had dealings with one of the fallen.

*In the original story it wasn't revealed how Dorian's portrait worked, but I'd figure they will use a 'deal with the devil' thing here.

Basically we are seeing different aspects of the fallen's effects on Earth. Vanessa: Possession. Kali: Black magic. Vampires: Physical transformation. Ethan: Cursed (either directly or by being bitten). Dorian: Faustian deal.

Caliban/John's lack of faith in religion provides a neat contrast. He and Brona/lilly are anomalies, resurrected/given life by Frankenstein's weird science. His assertion that pagans doing good by choice is surely better than bible thumpers doing good out of fear of their God, is a valid pov.
 
Id like to see some dedicated episodes on Ethan and Sembe the same as they've done with Vanessa. It would be only fair, lol.

And I agree with the confusion about Dorian. Are they biding time with him or is there an actual point with this new relationship? I mean given his decadent history, I find it hard to believe this is his first dalliance with a transgender person. Not that I have a problem with it, more like me wondering if there is a point to it is all....

Same here. But the show seems to revolve mostly around Vanessa, as she is the main star, so I wouldn't hold much hope for it. On the other hand there has been that episode which for most part depicted Frankenstein's story. Not really a flashback episode like it was the case with this one and "Closer Than Sisters", but it was a large portion of it, so I could see something like that happening,

As for Dorian, I like Wilde's Dorian Gray a lot, so I am glad that he's in the show, but so far he is stagnating as a character and seems to be too kind and "tame", so it doesn't seem like he'll become the character I've grown to like anytime soon. I am not sure if it is due to miscasting, bad writing of the character or simply too slow progression of his story.

Maybe he really falls for this transgender woman and she dies somehow.

I wish they would tie him into the Vanessa story tho. Him and his story feels so inconsequential to the rest of the show.

Assuming the role of Sybil Vane from the novel you think? Hmm... possibly. Though I really hoped we'll get to see Sybil, her demise and Gray's further character progression as result of that.

I suspect Dorian's (presumably*) faustian pact will play into the overall season arc. Lucifer did not fall alone, and Dorian's had dealings with one of the fallen.

*In the original story it wasn't revealed how Dorian's portrait worked, but I'd figure they will use a 'deal with the devil' thing here.

Basically we are seeing different aspects of the fallen's effects on Earth. Vanessa: Possession. Kali: Black magic. Vampires: Physical transformation. Ethan: Cursed (either directly or by being bitten). Dorian: Faustian deal.

Caliban/John's lack of faith in religion provides a neat contrast. He and Brona/lilly are anomalies, resurrected/given life by Frankenstein's weird science. His assertion that pagans doing good by choice is surely better than bible thumpers doing good out of fear of their God, is a valid pov.

I've been thinking the same. I do wonder if we'll get to see Basil at some point? Or the artist of the portrait, however they name him in the show.

As for Caliban, he is a romanticist (he actually chooses the name of the famous poet as his own - John Clare. For some amusement, notice Frankenstein's reaction to this when he introduces himself to Brona/Lily), so him thinking like this goes in line with that (and as a fellow romanticist, I agree), though it doesn't necessarily go against christianity and its beliefs...

Take William Blake for example, he was a christian fanatic, but in his own pagan way, since romantic philosophy is tied with pantheism, a form of paganism that predates christianity, if not by name then by practice. So the two are not mutually exclusive. Romanticist paganism would acknowledge and take into account any religion that can fall into its boundaries and there are some aspects of christianity that definitely correspond to the ideals of romanticism.
 
I think Ethan inherited it. Lest we forget isn't there an attack survivor? Dorian is so frickin creepy I have no clue where he's headed.
Why hasn't vanessa done spells to guard the house like the cut wife did
 
Vanessa deserves to have some fun. Also, I just love how the boys all work together to protect her.


Why hasn't vanessa done spells to guard the house like the cut wife did

I think that's what they're doing in the next episode? There were scenes of her scorpion blood mark at the door.

The Nigtcomers keep on calling Ethan as Lupus Dei (Wolf of God ). I wonder if he's not just your typical werewolf? If he's more special? He did manage to exorcise the devil out of Vanessa last season.
 
Vanessa deserves to have some fun. Also, I just love how the boys all work together to protect her.




I think that's what they're doing in the next episode? There were scenes of her scorpion blood mark at the door.

The Nigtcomers keep on calling Ethan as Lupus Dei (Wolf of God ). I wonder if he's not just your typical werewolf? If he's more special? He did manage to exorcise the devil out of Vanessa last season.
A werewolf prince? My money is just on it being the witches' words for werewolves, but you never know.

And yeah, I love how they all feel protective of her. Even the good doctor. It reminds me of the scene from the finale last season, when she suggest having a family Christmas with "the boys".
 
Id like to see some dedicated episodes on Ethan and Sembe the same as they've done with Vanessa. It would be only fair, lol.

And I agree with the confusion about Dorian. Are they biding time with him or is there an actual point with this new relationship? I mean given his decadent history, I find it hard to believe this is his first dalliance with a transgender person. Not that I have a problem with it, more like me wondering if there is a point to it is all....

Sembene in particular needs more development. He's a great character that they've literally only scratched the surface with, as opposed to the rest of the ensemble. The mysterious man of few words thing is interesting but I think at this point it is necessary to flesh the character out. They've already teased that they will a few times.
 
Vanessa and the boys! :hrt:

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I'm so here for Lyle joining them. Just 'fess up you sassy man! :funny:

I have a feeling that Sembene will have a backstory. At worst, it will be tied to a Sir Malcolm flashback story. They almost have to at this point.
 
Ok this is funny. S1E4 vs S2E4

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The Nigtcomers keep on calling Ethan as Lupus Dei (Wolf of God ). I wonder if he's not just your typical werewolf? If he's more special? He did manage to exorcise the devil out of Vanessa last season.

Perhaps God created the werewolf curse and the werewolves as protectors of His "House". So they are literally the Wolves that protect the House of God. It would explain why Ethan had power over the devil.

Or they may call werewolves Lupus Dei to mean "God Wolf" or "Wolf God" meaning the God of the Wolves since werewolves are pretty much the supreme wolf. The ultimate wolf.
 
As far as Dorian goes, I'm going to trust that the writers have something planned for him. I can handle slow burns (I am a Game of Thrones fan after all), and in the meantime I find his relationship with Angelique rather interesting.

Vanessa and the boys! :hrt:

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I'm so here for Lyle joining them. Just 'fess up you sassy man! :funny:

Yes! I so hope he survives this season and becomes a regular. He's just ****ed up enough to fit in with this crew. I loved it when he claimed that translating the objects gave him the vapors. :funny:

I have a feeling that Sembene will have a backstory. At worst, it will be tied to a Sir Malcolm flashback story. They almost have to at this point.

Oh yeah, they've definitely given him a backstory. They hinted at it when he referred to himself as part hunter, part something-he didn't-want-to-go-into. I can't wait for Sir Malcom's and Sembene's flashback episode. You know it's coming.
 
Sembene is an African witch doctor I think, or something. Every major character has turned out to be something.
We seem to get about faces from the writers. They want to make us believe Ethan is a werewolf.

WHAT IF !!!! He's a blessed Indian shaman that a spirit takes over when hunting true evil.
I merely put it out there. Yes he's at the massacre sights, he has blackouts. But I don't think he knows what really happens. This has happened for years, but he don't know. I feel his heart is to pure for him to be one. If change were imminent he would avoid people.
 
Sembene is an African witch doctor I think, or something. Every major character has turned out to be something.
We seem to get about faces from the writers. They want to make us believe Ethan is a werewolf.

WHAT IF !!!! He's a blessed Indian shaman that a spirit takes over when hunting true evil.
I merely put it out there. Yes he's at the massacre sights, he has blackouts. But I don't think he knows what really happens. This has happened for years, but he don't know. I feel his heart is to pure for him to be one. If change were imminent he would avoid people.

That Ethan doesn't know what happens is evident from his confusion when he wakes up in odd places (though it's implied has an inkling when being disturbed on seeing or hearing about attacks the night before).

However...in the last ep of the 1st season we see him change in the pub (makes no attempt to avoid anyone) when the Pinkertons were trying to nab him, and he clearly attacks them (blood splatter on the window, he wasn't holding back). He wakes up in that pub surrounded by the bodies of everyone who had been there (with one survivor, one of those Pinkertons...so 2 American Werewolves in London seem likely now :cwink:).

Ethan is a werewolf alright.
 
Went back and re watched season one finale. Yeppers that boys a wolfman
 
-The guy with the fake wigs is hilarious and would like him to be part of the team full time.

- I love that Sir Dalton is now 100% on board with his new daughter.

-I like the Frankenstein love triangle.

- The black guy makes amazing cake.

-Dorian's storyline better connect to Vanessa quickly or I will just fast forward his **** next time.

Eva Green smiling and having fun with the boys is great. More of that!

I hope Dracula shows up this season. There better be a third season!
 
-The guy with the fake wigs is hilarious and would like him to be part of the team full time.

- I love that Sir Dalton is now 100% on board with his new daughter.

-I like the Frankenstein love triangle.

- The black guy makes amazing cake.

-Dorian's storyline better connect to Vanessa quickly or I will just fast forward his **** next time.

Eva Green smiling and having fun with the boys is great. More of that!

I hope Dracula shows up this season. There better be a third season!

- I have a feeling that Mr. Lyle will kick the bucket by the end of the season.
A little digression - I also think that Sir Malcolm's wife will get killed quite soon.

- Same here.

- It kinda bores me to tell you the truth, even though I like this version of Victor Frankenstein quite a bit. I am curious how will it play out between Victor and Ethan when he finds out what he did to Brona, though... it's likely that Vanessa will figure it out first.

- When doesn't a black guy make an amazing cake?

- I doubt he'll have any further relationship with Vanessa, but he'll probably have some strong connection to the main story, I guess relating to him making the deal with the devil to gain eternal youth. I hope he will became the antagonist in season three, though as of now, he is very far from the depraved Dorian Gray I know and like. For both seasons, he's just been a rather tame young man with penchant for decadence. If it's slow progression, it is a very slow goddamn progression.

- I agree. I heard her accent slip near the end of this last episode, by the way. I don't mind it, it was just interesting to me.

- Yeah, I wonder will they ever return to that part. Though, considering that Van Helsing appeared only shortly and was already killed off I think they're done with Dracula. Unfortunately.
And yeah, there better be a third season! I didn't enjoy a TV show this much in a long time.
 
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