The Amazing Spider-Man 2 new writers and directors for the amazing spiderman franchise

[Tacit Ronin]

Let's humor your assertion that the deleted scenes and pre-vis somehow proves Webb's worth as a director. Doesn't the fact that they have been locked in pre-vis limbo and deletion prove the exact opposite? Clearly he cannot be too good if he deleted scenes that are good or left them at the pre-vis stage.

 

[Visualiza]

Let's humor your assertion that the deleted scenes and pre-vis somehow proves Webb's worth as a director. Doesn't the fact that they have been locked in pre-vis limbo and deletion prove the exact opposite? Clearly he cannot be too good if he deleted scenes that are good or left them at the pre-vis stage.

This fella seems to think that Marc Webb is another David Fincher. Sorry, but the guy doesn't have the kind of clout to warrant this sort of feverish defensiveness. We all understand that there's been a fair degree of studio meddling. Doesn't absolve Webb of all accountability; not even close.

 

[Spider-knight]

This fella seems to think that Marc Webb is another David Fincher. Sorry, but the guy doesn't have the kind of clout to warrant this sort of feverish defensiveness. We all understand that there's been a fair degree of studio meddling. Doesn't absolve Webb of all accountability; not even close.

And how does that even work? We all saw that the guy obviously has talent. If he does have freedom and working with some great writers would we expect a film from him to be bad? I don't believe so

 

[Visualiza]

And how does that even work? We all saw that the guy obviously has talent.

Show me an example if it's so obvious. In fact, show me several examples of his talent, then I want you tell me how it eclipses that of any other director in Hollywood today.

Webb is about average for me. There's worse out there, but there's a lot better as well, meaning that Sony could do a lot better for this franchise, for that matter. Still, the worst thing about him isn't that he's of average talent, it's that he lacks vision. I don't expect him to offer anything creatively that couldn't be outdone by any of his contemporaries.

If he does have freedom and working with some great writers would we expect a film from him to be bad? I don't believe so

Well, you keep holding onto that notion, as you're certainly in good company on these boards. The truth of the matter is that we really don't know either way, do we? None of us can predict the future, so there's that. All I know for now is that the guy has been at the helm of two sub-par Spider-Man movies, and even considering the studio meddling, I'm not impressed with his uninspired directorial ability. Something's got to give, and while I do think that the studio needs to get their act together first and foremost, Webb isn't exactly showing me that he has the ambition to realize character's potential.

Right now, he seems like a studio lackey collecting a check. Fincher at least had the dignity to step away after the producers ruined his vision for Alien 3, but this fella? He's right along for the ride, sink or swim. I don't have much respect for that, especially if the interference is as pervasive as we all believe it to be.

 

[Spider-knight]

Show me an example if it's so obvious. In fact, show me several examples of his talent, then I want you tell me how it eclipses that of any other director in Hollywood today.

Webb is about average for me. There's worse out there, but there's a lot better as well, meaning that Sony could do a lot better for this franchise, for that matter. Still, the worst thing about him isn't that he's of average talent, it's that he lacks vision. I don't expect him to offer anything creatively that couldn't be outdone by any of his contemporaries.



Well, you keep holding onto that notion, as you're certainly in good company on these boards. The truth of the matter is that we really don't know either way, do we? None of us can predict the future, so there's that. All I know for now is that the guy has been at the helm of two sub-par Spider-Man movies, and even considering the studio meddling, I'm not impressed with his uninspired directorial ability. Something's got to give, and while I do think that the studio needs to get their act together first and foremost, Webb isn't exactly showing me that he has the ambition to realize character's potential.

Right now, he seems like a studio lackey collecting a check. Fincher at least had the dignity to step away after the producers ruined his vision for Alien 3, but this fella? He's right along for the ride, sink or swim. I don't have much respect for that, especially if the interference is as pervasive as we all believe it to be.

now this is exactly what i've always been talking about. despite how much evidence there was on both films you people are still gonna be hard on webb just for the heck of it. there was one concept art for tasm 2 where peter webbed up mj's abusive father in mj's basement, pictures of alternate takes of the final fight between the lizard and spiderman even alternate version of the guy, pictures of an extended fight scene between spiderman, an army of lizards, and the lizard in new york, harry destroying oscorp, more interactions with the characters, the romance between peter and gwen, peter beating harry into submission before he gets reminded of uncle ben and lets him go, more character development of doctor connors, some workshop that could involve his parents and uncle ben, billy connors, do i even have to add on? the guy may be a little bit of a yes man but there's no denying that the guy has talent? is it really neccessary to call him average despite the talent he's shown?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

there was one concept art for tasm 2 where peter webbed up mj's abusive father in mj's basement,

If it was the studio that had this cut, It's just another example of Webb not getting the characters or their stories. That scene should never had made it past the rough draft.

 

[Spider-knight]

If it was the studio that had this cut, It's just another example of Webb not getting the characters or their stories. That scene should never had made it past the rough draft.

Oh yeah like the scene where they cut Connors and billy, Peter taking care of his aunt, the extended scene with lizard in the lab, Peter and Connors discussing their curse and peter's parents before ratha's demise, the alternate take on the crane scene, the extended fight scene between spidey, the lizard and his army, the extended fight scene with goblin and spidey, etc.

Yeah you may not like that scene but there have been some in some moments where as spidey he had to deal with some people

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Yeah you may not like that scene but there have been some in some moments where as spidey he had to deal with some people

There's a difference between dealing with people and saving them from their personal problems like he's the pc in a Bioware game. Some things are ill conceived and should be discarded, like the Home Depot sex tape scene in IM3.

 

[sl500jazz]

If it was the studio that had this cut, It's just another example of Webb not getting the characters or their stories. That scene should never had made it past the rough draft.

There's a difference between dealing with people and saving them from their personal problems like he's the pc in a Bioware game. Some things are ill conceived and should be discarded, like the Home Depot sex tape scene in IM3.

Agreed. That scene sounds terrible and should have been discarded much earlier.

 

[Spider-knight]

There's a difference between dealing with people and saving them from their personal problems like he's the pc in a Bioware game. Some things are ill conceived and should be discarded, like the Home Depot sex tape scene in IM3.

Well the picture doesn't even look too bad. I mean Peter has done this as spidey at some time. I mean for all we also know mj's father must've been doing something illegal.

Also there were also scene of Peter training his powers in a closed carnival, him building his own webbing and shooters, left ended school fight scene where there was one time the lizard broke his back but still kept fight even punching him in the face repeatedly, Peter unmasking himself in front of the lizard to try and calm him down, Peter climbing up the tower as it falls, etc. just watch the deleted scenes and ore visualizations yourself. Marc isn't even that bad of a talent. I mean would raimi even want emo Peter, 10 minutes of venom, and this whole entire mess of a story that is spiderman 3?

 

[spider-neil]

Webb was brought on because of the heart he brought to 500 days and the chemistry between the leads is pretty much universally praised. I was meh with the action in ASM 1 but I thought the action in ASM2 was mind blowing so he can do action. Pacing is a bit of a problem but that could more script than anything else and although I liked it too many plates were spinning again there is a case to lay the blame on the script.

I like Webb and I hope he returns but if we trade up with an A list director I won't complain but an A list director ain't happening.

 

[Spider-knight]

Webb was brought on because of the heart he brought to 500 days and the chemistry between the leads is pretty much universally praised. I was meh with the action in ASM 1 but I thought the action in ASM2 was mind blowing so he can do action. Pacing is a bit of a problem but that could more script than anything else and although I liked it too many plates were spinning again there is a case to lay the blame on the script.

I like Webb and I hope he returns but if we trade up with an A list director I won't complain but an A list director ain't happening.

eh, i really don't mind if a director is either A or B list. if the guy is B list the franchise can still be saved. infact, with the delay hopefully sony will continue to look at the problem and just let the creators do what they want so they can make some great movies and to them make some quick bucks. they were such ******s for editing out both films. i mean the first film could've made more than the avengers and even suppose to be more talked about than the avengers. the same would go for this movie. i know it happens in the case of any companies like EA, Activision, and Capcom but my god are they such ****ing idiots for ruining themselves

 

[Frodo]

In terms of viable options I would go with Brad Bird of MI:4 and The Incredibles. I think Spiderman would be right up his alley . He could do the relationship and humor well in addition to good action.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

They have a guy in the fold who I think could do a good job, that's Drew Goddard. This is someone who could be considered a big gun in the future. Unfortunately he's signed for S6.

I would consider Bird an A-lister at this point, but I doubt an A-Lister would take the job. Why would he? He'd have to carry the baggage of the first two films.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

James Cameron. Obviously.

I would gladly trade all five existing Spidey films for one James Cameron version.

 

[Frodo]

They have a guy in the fold who I think could do a good job, that's Drew Goddard. This is someone who could be considered a big gun in the future. Unfortunately he's signed for S6.

I would consider Bird an A-lister at this point, but I doubt an A-Lister would take the job. Why would he? He'd have to carry the baggage of the first two films.

He did just do the fourth Mission Impossible film so its not like he's above doing sequels to established franchises. Plus, I wouldn't consider him such an A lister that he's above doing a Spiderman film. He's not a Spielberg or Abrams, but the guy has been universally praised and been tossed around for a variety of projects. Sony however would probably want a lesser known director who they could control so in that sense Bird might not get the offer.

 

[Spider-knight]

James Cameron. Obviously.

I would gladly trade all five existing Spidey films for one James Cameron version.

**** NO! originally he was penned to do spiderman before raimi got hired and his version is......well......it's just so god awful and i don't know which two versions are worse or what possessed his mind to do this

 

[Spider-knight]

He did just do the fourth Mission Impossible film so its not like he's above doing sequels to established franchises. Plus, I wouldn't consider him such an A lister that he's above doing a Spiderman film. He's not a Spielberg or Abrams, but the guy has been universally praised and been tossed around for a variety of projects. Sony however would probably want a lesser known director who they could control so in that sense Bird might not get the offer.

by lesser known do you also mean good?

 

[spider-neil]

Cameron's script was awful but let's be honest here, there would almost certainly been a couple of drafts before production and the final rewrite before the actors even lay hands on it.

 

[Spider-knight]

Cameron's script was awful but let's be honest here, there would almost certainly been a couple of drafts before production and the final rewrite before the actors even lay hands on it.

true but what also made him cross his mind into adding arnold as doc ock who's catchphrase is "okey dokey" and what also crossed his mind about the entire story of his R rated spiderman movie. i get that the bronze age was serious, dramatic, and dark but there was a difference between those and the R rated stuff. if he does get the chance i hope he learned from his mistakes or at least marvel would keep him under a leash.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Plus, I wouldn't consider him such an A lister that he's above doing a Spiderman film.

It's not that he'd be above doing a Spider-Man film, but more one in this particular Webb/Garfield series. Mission Impossible was a different situation and afforded him the opportunity to make his mark in live action. He doesn't need that anymore. It just makes sense that most A-listers would want to cast their own talent and not have to follow some studio mandated plan for the series which has pretty much flopped. Too much baggage and they'd want a clean slate.

There have been A-Listers that were willing to do this, the A-Listers of A-Listers. Cameron would have if not for contractual issues with Corolco and Fincher wanted to do the Death Gwen Stacy back in 2000 but Sony didn't...... Then Raimi wins them over with some song and dance in a pitch meeting and the rest is history.

 

[Em Dee]

Keep Webb, he's not the problem. It's Orci and Kurtzman.