Pepper Potts as Rescue

Discussion in 'Iron Man 3' started by Zeerola, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. kaijunexus

    kaijunexus Marvel Cinematic Universe

    Joined:
    May 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,626
    Likes Received:
    0
    I very much doubt that Pepper dies. She is such an integral part of Tony's character in these films that we'd have to dedicate Avengers 2 and Iron Man 4 to just dealing with his crippling depression and grief is she were to be taken out...
     
    #126
  2. UnionJack

    UnionJack In training at MI:13

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    1,727
    Likes Received:
    0
    Those two pieces have made my day and excite me more for the film
    More Tony development and less Gwyn as she isn't the Pepper I read the better.
     
    #127
  3. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,044
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think it comes down simply and un-poetically to a business decision. Gwyn has already voiced a desire to move on; she doesn't need the money or the role to stay in the public eye; and Marvel wouldn't mind writing an expensive star's salary off their books.

    And from a fanboy standpoint, it frees Tony up to become the player he's always been in the comics. A big wedding ceremony featuring Tony Stark and Pepper (or, well, anybody for that matter) would be bat**** goofy.
     
    #128
  4. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    The similarities to SM2 would be pointed out ad nauseam if they went that route.

    Rescue is a far more original way to deal with that same problem.

    Those against Rescue must be happy for Pepper to be the damsel in distress. One or the other is going to happen, make your choice as to which you prefer.
     
    #129
  5. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,044
    Likes Received:
    0
    Having Tony ditch Pepper because "it's just too dangerous to be around a complicated guy like me" would be very similar to SM2, sure --- and to tons of other movies dating back to the silent movie era. It's an old, old pastiche, but it's a proven one: the hero's world is much too dangerous for him to allow any one female to get too close to.

    May be patriarchal and chauvinist and all that, but it makes sense, too: if Tony (or any other hero) wants to *truly* keep his girl out of harm's way, he has to either separate himself from her, or quit his dangerous job. Forcing her to wear a suit of armor every time she goes to the bathroom is *not* a valid option, and in many ways, is selfish on Tony's part and disrespectful to Pepper, in that he continues to put her in danger and draws an even bigger bullseye on her by creating a much higher profile for her.

    And no, I don't want Pepper to be "damsel in distress." I want her to be strong and independent, which she's *supposed* to be. There's no better way to show the strength and independence of her character than to show that she doesn't need Tony Stark's help to survive.
     
    #130
  6. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    How is he forcing her? Suit up to go the bathroom? :whatever: Are you trying to make your argument sound ridiculous?

    I think you need to re-read the thread. The suit would be solely for her protection in case the danger came to her. She wouldn't wear it all the time, nor participate in Iron Man's missions, but the suit would be there tucked away just in case something happened. Like insurance, you hope you don't ever need to use it but if you ever do, you're glad you have it. It just makes good sense.

    So a supervillain comes directly after her and you want her to use her inner strength and independence to escape. That's what we are talking about here, her being in direct physical danger.
     
    #131
  7. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,044
    Likes Received:
    0
    Knock knock! Oh no, here comes Mandarin! Better put on my handy-dandy Ms. Iron Man suit and unibeam his ass out the door.....oh wait, you didn't even want the Rescue armor to have offensive weapons, right? So instead, Pepper sits there inside a tin can and lets Mandy whale on her for awhile, *hopefully* to no effect, and *hopefully* he'll just get tired and wander off after awhile....?

    Yeah, good luck with that.

    Here's a better idea: the way to keep Pepper out of harm's way in the first place is for Tony to (....say it with me, class: ) separate himself from her permanently so that she's no longer a target. I can just about guarantee that's *exactly* what Shane Black intends to happen, judging from the trailers that feature Tony all by his lonesome, and all the cast/crew interviews and set reports and leaks that describe Tony all by his lonesome.
     
    #132
  8. UnionJack

    UnionJack In training at MI:13

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    1,727
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well thats a Ric Flair Woooooooooo from me.
     
    #133
  9. Doc Ock

    Doc Ock The Spider-Totem Awakens

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2009
    Messages:
    8,854
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm not sure about Pepper being Rescue BUT I can see Tony putting in a fail-safe system for the armor to automatically protect Pepper and cause her to be in the suit for protection reasons. Or something like that.
     
    #134
  10. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    **sigh**

    No. She would use the suit to fly herself to safety, more than likely alerting Iron Man to her danger on the way.

    I guess you really are trying to make your argument look ridiculous.

    So you are a fan of them going the Spider Man 2 route, fair enough. Personally I'm not a fan of that but I understand if they do so.

    When he talks about protecting the one thing he can't live without, it seems to me like there is the possibility of Rescue.
     
    #135
  11. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    I really don't get why you're such a thing for Pepper as Rescue when you insist that she'll simply run away. It's not just pointless, it's naive. If she were to armour up in film then she would of course get into a fight or two rather than simply run away. You make her seem like she's just a damsel in distress when the first two movies have proved otherwise.
     
    #136
  12. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Which I personally wouldn't have a problem with, though in the comics the Rescue armor has no offensive weapons.

    If she has armor then she is hardly a damsel in distress. She could take herself to a place in which she could assist, such as she did in the final battle of IM2, rather than be a hindrance by being under threat.

    I don't want to see her fighting the final battle alongside IM or anything but I don't want her just waiting for IM to come and save her. After all, no one here disagrees she is the easiest way for a villain to hurt Stark. If she had a suit to take her to safety, it eliminates that threat.
     
    #137
  13. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    The armour itself is essentially an offensive weapon. Whether she carries ballistic missiles or not. The suit itself is still quite deadly. It's not terribly likely she would simply run to safety (which is acting like a damsel) and not take part in fighting in whatever way she can.


    Giving her armour doesn't automatically make her less of a damsel (which she hasn't been in the last two films). Especially not how you seem to define her and the suit. If anything you seem to be reducing her to the role of damsel as Rescue and therefore the armour under those conditions seems to be a backwards character development.
     
    #138
  14. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Running to safety doesn't make her a damsel. Damsel just means a young woman or girl.

    In literature and film, a damsel in distress refers to a woman who is placed in a dire predicament and requires a hero to achieve her rescue.

    Giving her armor allows her to save herself, without the direct intervention of the hero (Iron Man).

    I think you are using the term damsel incorrectly.
     
    #139
  15. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    I disagree. Even though Tony may not be physically present, you still seem to be arguing that she needs him to rescue her and that the suit is the means to do so. To me that seems like a damsel (by the way I'm not always going to add 'in distress' because that's implied).

    What you suggest doesn't add anything to her character, rather it takes away. Pepper in the previous films has shown herself able to actively stand up for herself and take on the situation at hand in her own way without armour. What you're arguing for is to reduce her to someone who simply runs away and needs her hero to rescue her (indirectly or not).
     
    #140
  16. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    I haven't seen anyone disagree that Pepper is likely to being direct physical danger.

    How is she going to "stand up for herself and take on the situation at hand" if the situation at hand is a villain coming after her? Without armor, how is she going to do this?

    Also, I haven't been arguing for a development in character arc, what I have been arguing for is what is logical. I haven't seen anyone able to show the flaw in my logic re: Tony building a suit for Pepper.
     
    #141
  17. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    I'm really starting to wonder if you've actually watched the previous movies. She managed fine before. I don't understand how that suddenly isn't the case anymore. She may come in harms way, but that doesn't mean that an armour of her own is necessarily that answer. If it's simple running away you want, then she can manage that without armour.

    Yes you have.

    No you haven't. You just don't want to listen to the reasons given by various posters. You've just been arguing for what you think would look cool regardless of whether it sets back the character or is appropriate for the movie in general.
     
    #142
  18. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,044
    Likes Received:
    0

    :up: +1
     
    #143
  19. Moridin

    Moridin Death Contagious Deity

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2007
    Messages:
    3,321
    Likes Received:
    5
    You mean the previous movies where she was seconds from certain death, only for Stark to swoop in and save her just in the nick of time? Those previous movies?
     
    #144
  20. Just one more

    Just one more Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2011
    Messages:
    159
    Likes Received:
    0
    Please show me where I have been arguing this because it "would look cool". That is absolute crap. Since you agree Cherokee, please also provide examples.

    I could quote myself where I have been arguing for the logical behaviour of Tony to create something to protect "the one thing I can't live without".

    LMAO!!! EXACTLY

    For some reason they think she should use her inner strength and independance to escape an attack from a supervillain.
     
    #145
  21. UnionJack

    UnionJack In training at MI:13

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    1,727
    Likes Received:
    0
    The only strength she has is the power of moaning at Tony like he's an idiot child.
    Her scenes in Avengers are cringeworthy prancing around in short shorts like she is super hot wanting her own building. I've yet to see her do much other than ask Tony to sign some paperwork or look at his schedule.

    I hope they do kill her off, or at least re-cast/re-write her.
     
    #146
  22. Lian

    Lian Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2012
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    0
    Last night I dreamed that I saw a second (and very detailed) trailer for IM3. It implied that Pepper died at the hands of the Mandarin and that Tony replaced her with a LMD of her because he couldn't live without her. Repression of reality can be very effective. But when they get attacked again by the Mandarin it becomes obvious that she's just a LMD but Tony still refuses to accept that Pepper is actually dead.
    It was a very emotional scene and even though this story arc won't happen in the real movie I kind of wish it would because this dream was very powerful and thrilling.

    Maybe in IM4 :cwink:
     
    #147
  23. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    She still managed without armour, which is an undeniable fact. How that is suddenly not the case, I don't know. They must have released a director's cut I'm not aware of.

    And who saved who in IM1 exactly? If Tony had saved her, wouldn't she then be somewhere safe rather than still close to the fight? From what I recall she was still there at the fight and even managed to finish off Stane (at Tony's instruction). Plus earlier she had went into the lion's den essentially to hack Stane's computer. Not to mention the Monaco scene where it was Pepper and Happy that saved Tony (even if they did put themselves in danger as well).

    Some of you are acting like the villain simply comes to kidnap her and tie her up in his hidden lair while twirling his mustache. My point is that, even though Tony has at times showed up to save her, she has still shown herself to be capable in a number of situations and that the Rescue armour is undeniably not needed.


    Specifically, no. However, your insistence that she suit up doesn't have anything to do with her character, so it doesn't leave much left than it being simply because you want to see it. You insisting that it's logical for Tony to make her a suit doesn't make it so.


    You're taking one line in the trailer and applying it to an idea you want to see while dismissing all other possibilities of what that could mean. The trailer does also show the armour possibly attacking her directly after that quote you keep coming back to (if that is not a dream sequence). Somehow I find it difficult she'd be keen to be in one after that.
     
    #148
  24. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    12,044
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hell, Pepper doesn't even look keen in the direct dialogue with Stark. When Tony says "the one thing I can't live without" and gestures towards her, she's got her arms folded across her chest and she looks very, very displeased with Mr. Stark. So if he *is* implying that he wants to build her a His N Hers Matching Love-Buddy Suit, Pepper doesn't look like she's buying it for one second.
     
    #149
  25. The Infernal

    The Infernal Mky Mk

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    9,620
    Likes Received:
    18
    I didn't even consider that, Cherokeesam. It's a fair suggestion.
     
    #150

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"